Talk:Burns Road Kay Romeo Juliet

This article was nominated for deletion on 19 July 2024. The result of the discussion was redirect.

UPE

@CNMall41: This page was previously created by UPE sock farms and was once also draftified by you. Now, it has been recreated and just when I draftified it, the creator moved it back to the main NS. I'm not surprised because this editor is also suspected UPE. How should we handle this page? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41, Also see Burns Road Kay Romeo Juliet (2024). — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saqib, Please provide evidence of my involvement in UPE or else i will report you for false accusations. That tag was added by you & tag states It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please clarify how the article does'nt have neutral point of view or how it requires cleanup. Libraa2019 (talk) 20:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Libraa2019, Precisely because this page was previously created by multiple UPE's. Also why are you attempting to engage in edit war? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commment I have brought this neutrally to AfD for resolution. Star Mississippi 01:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Star Mississippi, It wasn't truly necessary at this point since there was no move war. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet

But AfD is the way to handle contested drafification per WP:DRAFTOBJECT and repeated draftification and deletion at various titles is not sustainable. We need consensus and AfD is probably the best path for neutral eyes. Star Mississippi 14:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Star Mississippi, Saqib is harassing me since last two months. Please check my history. Move War was started by Saqib, he is engaged in draftifying new Pakistani articles despite of them meeting notability criteria. He dont want any other Pakistani editor here except him. One of the many example is this [1] where he nominated around 26 Pakistani politician BLP's may be because another editor created these pages before him. Another example where he draftified established editor articles is [2], [3], [4]. And he himself claimed that he had a COI with Pets of Imran Khan [5] Libraa2019 (talk) 14:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My on wiki time is limited and I cannot moderate this disagreement between you two. If you believe he is harassing you, please open a discussion at ANI, @Libraa2019. I will note that this article has been draftified and deleted by other editors including me, so framing it as a Saqib issue is not an accurate assessment. Star Mississippi 14:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure Star Mississippi, i never knew it is sock infested otherwise would not have created it at the first place. I have created many articles in the past therefore i got emotional that my article got draftified and by the same person who is constantly harassing me. I am with the community consensus and if it will be deleted, i dont have any issue. Libraa2019 (talk) 14:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will note that I'm also bit frustrated by being constantly labeled as harasser. Instead of filing a report on ANI, the editor continues to engage in WP:FORUMSHOP against me and selectively cherry-picking and bringing up issues I've had with others, even though they are irrelevant. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same thing applied to you, instead of filing a report at ANI, you are constantly following my edits & calling me sock & UPE on multiple platforms without a single authentic evidence. Frustration is what i am feeling, so dont take a credit of being innocent. The issues are relevant because every second established Pakistani editor disagrees with you at some point. And if you want to become an admin then please participate in articles outside Pakistan too and not just Pakistan. Also, i never saw an admin involve in such a behavior to constantly follow someone & accusing them on multiple platforms. Libraa2019 (talk) 15:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Libraa2019, if you want to become an admin then please participate in articles... See User:Saqib (Diff ~1225768819). — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you mentioned it on your page says it all. Why did you justify at your page, may be because your editings gives an impression & you think yourself of an admin or want to become a one. Libraa2019 (talk) 18:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Libraa2019, I'm going to excuse myself now. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Libraa2019 @Saqib please take your disputes with one another to the appropriate forum.The article's Talk is not that. Thank you. Star Mississippi 02:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Star Mississippi, But I've already stepped out of this quarrel with Libra. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Star Mississippi, i've also left that but he again started quarrel here [6]. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both of you need to stop it here. Either stop sniping at one another entirely, or take the dispute to the appropriate location. Star Mississippi 17:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that a partially blocked IP range known as being part of the SOCK farm is editing this page so close to recreation raises huge red flags in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41 I've requested the semi-protection of page but still its not done. @Star Mississippi please lock the page as i've reverted sock ip edits but they are adding the promotional material again & again. Libraa2019 (talk) 07:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Libraa2019, @Daniel Case declined your request (Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Archive/2024/07). For me to do so now would be inappropriate. If you haven't already, you should ask him why he declined and if he'd be willing to reconsider it. Star Mississippi 12:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To repeat my reasoning here: The article is up for deletion. If it is kept or redirectified, these unsourced additions will have been for nought. And in the meantime I wouldn't want for another IP editor to be unable to make changes which might help keep the article.

If we can identify a range and block it, I'd be happy. Daniel Case (talk) 19:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case:, I kept track of this range a while ago and you can see the notes here. It is likely StayCalmOnTrees who was previously identified as Nauman335. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK ... this is 223.123.0.0/18 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)). I have blocked it for three months; it had been blocked for a month last year for sockfarming as well. Daniel Case (talk) 06:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I see that range is editing Hum Awards which makes sense since that is a common target of that farm. Thanks for looking into it. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

@Libraa2019 if you believe there are questions about notability, why did you create this and argue it shouldn't be in draft? That's an odd move. Star Mississippi 12:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi Because it was removed by an IP which is clearly a sock [7]. This IP is damaging my reputation by contributing instantly to my article as if they were waiting for this article to be created. I dont want this article to be kept anymore. Libraa2019 (talk) 12:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that clarification Star Mississippi 12:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libraa2019, This IP is damaging my reputation Has this IP done this in the past, too and have you ever reverted their edits in the past, like you're doing now? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Saqib, there was no need of such question. They being a sock adding materials on my creation so WP:Commonsense please. Why would i reverted their edits in the past & how do i knew where they were adding which material?? Libraa2019 (talk) 16:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Libraa2019, I asked this senseless question because this isn't the only page, created by you, where UPE sock farms have made edits. All these articles ( Agha Mustafa Hassan, Abdullah Seja, Qudsia Ali, Jhooti, Thora Sa Haq, Meray Mohsin, Yeh Dil Mera, Dil-e-Gumshuda ) you created were also edited by Nauman335's sock and LOUTSOCKs, but I haven't seen you revert those edits. It's just doesn't add up when an article you created is now one you're trying to get rid of because of LOUTSOCKs. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Saqib you are again accusing me that i am connecting with those socks. My creations were never objectified for being recreated after G5 deletion and never put in such a place like Burn Road Kay. Many IP's & registered editors contribute to my creations for example Yeh Dil Mera has more than 50 contributors, but here IP (which is block partially) has started adding material just after article's creation & that too previously deleted via G5 therefore i dont want to entertain them. And FYI i have never reverted anyone in my creations too (except your retaliationary edits as noted by one editor here [8]) & most of them are not in my watchlist. Your articles too edit by many IP's & fresh editors so do i consider you are one of them. You are trying to portray that if some block users are editing 100 articles than creators of those articles must have a connection with them. Libraa2019 (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that looking at your edit history you are editing the same pages that were edited by a popular sock farm (who I will point out has a history of arguing they are not a sock). That includes both named accounts and IP ranges. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNMall41 you need to see this [9] [10] & if still you are thinking like this then i have no words. Libraa2019 (talk) 15:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No words would probably be the best. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libraa2019 Don't you think you went overboard here? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atleast i've not posted this [11] on your talkpage. Also, please specify this claim [12] which you made on my talkpage. Libraa2019 (talk) 18:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libraa2019, Learn sarcasm! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]