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Article name

Variants: Boyuk Taghlar (1), Böyük Tağlar (8), Mets Taghlar (227), Mets Tagher (21)

Based on the following results in accordance with WP:SET, the WP:COMMONNAME of this village is "Mets Taghlar", thus the article name should be moved to demonstrate that (as of 17 September 2022).

Google Scholar Search:

-"Boyuk Taghlar" "Karabakh": 0 results

-"Böyük Tağlar" "Karabakh": 0 results

-"Mets Taghlar" "Karabakh": 3 results

-"Mets Tagher" "Karabakh": 0 results

Google Advanced Book Search (hide "Tools" to see totals):

-"Boyuk Taghlar" "Karabakh": 0 results

-"Böyük Tağlar" "Karabakh": 5 results

-"Mets Taghlar" "Karabakh": 222 results

-"Mets Tagher" "Karabakh": 8 results

Google News Search:

-"Boyuk Taghlar" "Karabakh": 1 results

-"Böyük Tağlar" "Karabakh": 3 results

-"Mets Taghlar" "Karabakh" 2 results

-"Mets Tagher" "Karabakh": 13 results

-𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 11:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you search with the keyword "Artsakh" a different result appears. For example with "Mets Tagher" "Artsakh" Google Advanced Book Search returns 252 results. With the same search Google scholar has three results, and Google news then has 39. By your measure the article should be renamed "Mets Tagher" as the WP:COMMONNAME. Maidyouneed (talk) 12:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONNAME encourages to use third-party English-language sources and virtually no third-party English-language source uses "Artsakh" in the same vein that none use "Qarabağ" or "Garabagh". In case such reliable sources do make mention to the alternate names, they'd almost certainly also include "Karabakh" (thus also "Nagorno-Karabakh") mentioned somewhere in the article/text too. Quoting WP:COMMONNAME: "[Wikipedia] generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". Cheers, -𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 13:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You claim virtually no third-party English-language source uses "Artsakh" - what language then do you claim is used in those "Mets Tagher" "Artsakh" Google Advanced Book Search returns 252 results? 92.14.223.30 (talk) 17:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Search hits containing "Artsakh" may be written in English, however, Wikipedia prefers reliable, neutral third-party sources which as stated above, consistently use the term "Nagorno-Karabakh" or simply "Karabakh" when referring to Artsakh/Garabagh, as it's the widely accepted objective term for the region in reliable news sources, books and academia. - 𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 11:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. No opposition and I suppose it's credible. This is switching from an Azerbaijani name to an Armenian name, but it seems like in English it's just about WP:COMMONNAME. — Amakuru (talk) 10:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boyuk Taghlar → Mets Taghlar – per most current common name as demonstrated in the section of this talk page titled "Article name". The proposed "Mets Taghlar is 227 times more common in Search Engine results than the current article title. Olympian ^loquere 05:48, 17 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support as requester for the reason outlined above. – Olympian ^loquere 03:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Olympian FYI, there isn't a need to revote. Your support is already implied in your nomination. – robertsky (talk) 02:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.