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Ethnicity and citizenship

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  • According to the rule suggested by Viator Slovenicus, the article on Carla Del Ponte should start: Italian UN Chief Prosecutor from Switzerland .........In fact she is a Swiss citizen belonging ti the Italian ethnic group as Pahor is an Italian citizen belonging to the Slovenian ethnic group...--Deguef (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deguef (talk • contribs) 17:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Slovene novelist living in Italy?

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There has to be a better way to formulate this. This makes it sound as though he was a novelist from Slovenia who settled in Italy, when in fact he was an Italian citizen of Slovene ethnicity, a member of the Slovene minority of Trieste, where he was born, where he lived and where he died. Rabascius (talk) 10:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can we say he was Slovenian Italian novelist? A term "Italian American" is common, so why not "Slovenian Italian". Topjur01 (talk) 01:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That had already been addressed here in this talk page, and it's not an easy (nor isolated) problem. More detailed (but not exhaustive) data about his citizenships through time already are in the infobox. Italy before unification before WWI was a set of countries, ruled by different entities (from Popes through foreign powers to "local" potentates, including Republic of Venice), and including a set of different ethnicities (also using different, most but not all of them, Romance languages). Simplifying that to acceptable level for casual user - without introducing things that aren't true, is not a trivial task.
Similar problem is with citizenship and ethnicity of Albert Einstein: born to (nonobserwing) Jew family in the Kingdom of Uhlm, which was part of German Empire, he resigned it, got Swiss citizenship, got German (Prussian?) when he accepted to be head of Max Planck institute in Berlin, and USA from 1940 on), and Einstein's youth's mentor Max Talmey (born in Russian Empire as Max Talmud in a place which is currently in Lithuania, to a Jewish family, studied in Munich and died in New York as Talmey and US citizen).
I need to think about how similar situations can be addressed in general.
For this article, the current statement is not exhaustive, but essentially correct. But overall size of intro part of the article is already overwhelming; rewriting it more concisely (and transferring details into the body of article) would be welcome, but I need to think on that too first.
Regarding analogy
"Italian American" is common, so why not "Slovenian Italian"
Here the problem is that a lot of Pahor's published writing (probably most but not all) was in Slovenian, and "Italian American" I think is accepted to mean American people of Italian descent, but not (either implicitly or explicitly) authors known for writing published works of literature in Italian language, as here is the case for Slovenian. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 16:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More sources

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At several places in the article more than one source is requested, and I am proposing some here before integrating them into the article.

  • A list of broadcasts at RTV SLO after he died, see not-quite-Obituary RTV SLO [1]
  • THE MAN WHO SAW TOO MUCH / Great Britin / 2019 / Režija: Jill Nicholls in Alan Yentob (Slovenian: Mož, ki je preveč videl, britanski dokumentarni film)
Britanski dokumentarni film je pripoved o življenju in delu Borisa Pahorja, izjemnega tržaškega pisatelja in enega najbolj prevajanih slovenskih avtorjev, ki ga je že v otroštvu zaznamovalo sovraštvo – požig slovenskega Narodnega doma. Film prinaša Pahorjevo pričevanje o odraščanju v fašistični Italiji in boju zoper nacizem ter o brutalni izkušnji internacije v koncentracijskih taboriščih Dachau, Bergen-Belsen in Natzweiler-Struthof. 

British documentary presents story about life and work of Boris Pahor, a Triestine writer par excellence, and one of most translated Slovenian authors, who was affected by hatred - arson of Slovene Comunity Hall. Film presents Pahor's testimony about growing up in fascist Italy and fight against Nazism, and abvout brutal experience of internation in concentracion camps Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Natzweiler-Struthof.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjan Tomki SI (talk • contribs) 19:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see how it got caught unsigned... When I signed, the cursor got misplaced, and corrupted formatting of the section; I removed it where it was misplaced with next edit; before I re-signed, SineBot was dilligent ;)

I'd also like if somebody else looked into citation needed templates in the article. I think the one citation needed date=September 2015 in section Boris Pahor#International recognition is obsolete (or was originally unfounded), because I think the following paragraph cites text from Italian newspaper supporting the previous paragraph. But I might be biased so I'd like someone else to look into that too, and remove the citation needed template if appropriate. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 21:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's that for now. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Služba za komuniciranje RTV Slovenija. "RTV Slovenija v poklon Borisu Pahorju in njegovi izjemni dediščini". RTV Slovenija. RTV Slovenija. Retrieved 8 June 2022.
  2. ^ "Življenjepis člana". SAZU. SAZU. Retrieved 8 June 2022.


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