Talk:Boris Nemtsov

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Economical impact on Russia and Nizhny Novgorod

It is notable that nothing in the article was said about this guys impact on economy of Nizhny Novgorod and Russia as a whole. After reading the article it starts to seem that he was a positive and revolutionary figure on Russia's political scene, while in reality he was widely disliked for many embezzlements in NN, strictly negative results of his reforms and his relationships with various criminal circles. He was actually called "curly scum" BEFORE he was all but forgotten. All this should at least be mentioned as there is not a single word about how he was looked at in Russia.95.220.88.75 (talk) 13:50, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

There seems to be an attitude that all Putin opponents are good and their sins are mentioned as little as possible. What is generally not understood in western/English language circles is the chaos and anarchy of the Yeltsin years. Freedom was used for defrauding plus more. Yeltsin himself became aware of it which is why Putin became the 4th Prime Minister for the year 1999 to be put in place by Yeltsin. Yeltsin was also on 60 Minutes then and you can see how desperate he was inside about what he had unleashed. It was probably 1998 that interview where he plays tennis. Someone needs to give the world a detailed account how 'wonderful' the freedom under Yeltsin was. 2001:8003:AC99:3B00:E1C3:16D:409E:2EDE (talk) 06:35, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Jewish politician

This article has category "Jewish politician". Is there any source that he is Jewish? As I know he is Christian, goes to the chirch.--213.141.142.41 10:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

He was not Jewish in the sense of practicing that religion, but his ancestry certainly was. At the moment the article states that he was Jewish only from his mother's side, but this is certainly not entirely true. Both of his paternal grandparents, too, are buried at the Jewish graveyard in Moscow and his paternal grandfather David Israilevich had an obviously Jewish name. Grandmother Anna may have been Russian Orthodox by birth as Nemtsov claimed. For evidence their grave can be viewed here: [1] -89.66.180.105 (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah yeh .... you mean to say, that the zionist jews living in Israel who are not practising mosaic faith - are not jews? So Trotzky was not a jew or Freud or Jagoda..or...or? C'mon. Get involved into the issue and learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.112.177.58 (talk) 23:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Hero worship?

Compared to Vladimir Putin, this guy gets portrayed here as some sort of hero. Margaret Thatcher lauded him? Everybody in Nizhi Novgorod knows the truth about those years.

In fact, when Yeltsin and nemtsov were ruling Russia, they had Andrey Klimentiev sacked as a mayor when in the fraud case against him Klimentiev threatened to spill the beans about the way Nemtsov amassed his fortune. When his party's fortunes started to wane, they even tried to get Boris Yeltsin out of retirement to take the leadership away from Nemtsov who had become a liability: (translation from a Russian newspaper article). --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 09:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Listening to Webster Tarpley's World Crisis Radio on a podcast from January 22, 2011, several interesting facts about Nemtsov is presented, amongst them being that he is being propped up by the US as a presidential candidate to contest Putin in the 2012 elections. __meco (talk) 11:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

plagiariasm?

Whole sections of this article appear to be lifted from this page: [2]

EG:

• 1997 - Nemtsov was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, with special responsibility for reform of the energy sector. He was widely popular with the public and appeared to be the lead candidate to become President of Russia in 2000. In the summer of 1997, opinion polls gave Mr Nemtsov over 50% support as a potential presidential candidate. His political career, however, suffered a blow in August 1998 following the crash of the Russian stock-market and the ensuing economic crisis. As a part of Chubais' economic team, Nemtsov was forced to resign his position of Deputy Prime Minister.[4] After the dismissal of Prime Minister Chernomyrdin in 1998, Nemtsov was reappointed by Yeltsin to his post of Deputy Prime Minister, but again resigned shortly after when Yeltsin dissolved the government [5].

Or it could be the other way around, I don't know.

Moltovivo (talk) 11:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The page you linked to is now a dead-link. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC).

[3] Can be found on the internet wayback machine.

Date of death

This edit changes the date of death from 27 February to 28 February. Is there any reason for that? -BStarky (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

qui bono

Mr. Nemtsov: I think there is much freedom of the press, maybe more than in the United States. There are not only liberal viewpoints on Russia's television programs, but also anti- Semitic', fascist, and nationalist viewpoints. Russia has a huge number of independent...

he quoted sematnic freedom to anisemitmitism and 'shot just outside the walls of the Kremlin!' but the shot come from opsite site to the urbi and gorbi window so can we put in the frame ? 99.90.196.227 (talk) 05:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Merge Killing of Boris Nemtsov

There is no reason to create a separate article. This article is not so large as to make it needed. See WP:WHENSPLIT. I do not see a size or content reason to split. I hope this can do done speedily. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The article just was created. Let's see how it develops. Therefore, I would oppose merging at this time. I also think this should be "murder" rather than "killing". My very best wishes (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I didn't see the need, yet, to create the Murder article (and it obviously should be "Murder of Boris Nemtsov"), but there is even less need to delete or merge away that article. This event is much more important in Russia and the entire world other than North America, than the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, and will be considered important for years to come (at least until the retirement of Putin). There will be an extensive investigation - now led personally by Putin - that will be reported around the world, e.g. on BBC, for years. There will be extensive complaints that the state investigation is a coverup. (Once you've seen one of these Russian political assassinations, you've seen them all, see e.g. Vladislav Listyev - but this is likely the most important one in decades). Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Comment @Richard-of-Earth: See the Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya. The Killing of Boris Nemtsov is likely to be of similar length, when translated from the Russian version. He was also a former deputy Prime Minister of Russia, and still had years of potential high-level political career ahead of him, therefore of greater consequence than the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya. Depending on one's point of view, this may justify giving the article separate notability, according to WP:WHENSPLIT. EP111 (talk) 15:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Personal life

Maybe it could be good to edit this part as it sounds as if he had 4 children with his wife. But he had only one daughter with her - Zhanna. 2 children he had with a journalist Ekaterina Odintsova (Anton and Dina). His fourth child is Sofia from an affair with his secretary Irina Koroleva. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oksanchic (talk • contribs) 11:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

assassination

view complete news about his assassination here. Source so wikipedia knows the murderer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.33.229.32 (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Should statements implying that the Kremlin had a hand in his assassination be labeled "conspiracy theories?"--NYCJosh (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

In the very first paragraph of the article it says "Nemtsov was assassinated [...] with four shots fired from the back." From the back of what? Shouldn't it be "four shots to or in the back"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EwanHP (talk • contribs) 10:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Efimovich or Yefimovich?

There are two transliterations in the article. Of course, the father's name must be uniform with its spelling as well. '''tAD''' (talk) 07:12, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

There really isn't a "standard" transliteration system, but I'd say that "Yefimovich" is as close to standard as can be expected. Is this the LOC system? Do we have anything in the WP:MOS on this? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@The Almightey Drill: see Russian alphabet and Ye (Cyrillic) for pronunciation. I would write his patronymic name as Yefimovich, as the cyrillic "E" is at the beginning of the word. Regards, EP111 (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2015

Please change sentence "He was shot and killed in February 2015 for his pro-democracy views on Russia by loyalists of Vladimir Putin on a bridge near the Kremlin and Red Square in Moscow." to "He was shot and killed in February 2015 on a bridge near the Kremlin and Red Square in Moscow." as there is currently no evidence and no reliable sources/citations about: (1) Mr. Nemtsov's "pro-democracy views", (2) Mr. Nemtsov's assassin, (3) link between Vladimir Putin, Mr. Nemtsov's assassin and Mr. Nemtsov's supposed pro-democracy views.

78.102.172.136 (talk) 17:47, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. This is pure speculation and obviously politically motivated. Optomaniac (talk) 19:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

There are obviously two sides being represented here and the article needs to be protected..the statement that there are no sources about his views or that there is no evidence that he was assassinated is not only probably untrue but in itself is politically motivated..this is obvious.

There are only two sides being represented here: the evidence and the propaganda. The article does not need to be protected, in fact it only needs to be properly sourced. Moreover, whole wikipedia should adopt measures preventing such failures, at least in articles linked from the main page. Failing to do so, wikipedia's reputation among serious thinkers will continue to be low. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.54.178 (talk) 11:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah it was added back in, despite the lack of a source, with the rationale of "Well Putin hasn't been exonerated". Really needs to be removed, this is a high-profile article. --74.128.224.174 (talk) 20:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, now there is no longer any mention of Putin having ordered to kill Nemtsow, but it still says that he has been killed for his "pro-democracy view on Russia". There is no evidence for this, it's pure supposition. Optomaniac (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• I have removed it from the lede for now. Since many commentators mentioned his views and criticism of Putin, it might be possible to add something like "Many commentators speculate that the assassination is relatated to Nemtsov's pro-democracy views and his vocal criticism of Vladimir Putin." (+ many refs) Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

It`s spelled lead..this is English..I see it all the time here usually connected to a reactionary opinion for some reason..this is not the place for discussing Wikipedia policy considering the nature of this event..there are obviously two perspectives being given here opinion and fact..either can be disguised via propaganda and unreliable or false sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.244.25 (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

actually, lede is correct in this context 50.156.22.120 (talk) 19:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

since when? I wasn`t even aware it was a word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.244.25 (talk) 19:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Read Lede#Spelling, there is some wikipedia tradition in naming the lead paragraph "lede", see nothing wrong in it Alex Bakharev (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

You`re right..I looked it up..it is however archaic and nobody spells it like that except for here..for some reason..this is not the point..there is a world of difference between opinion and propaganda..propaganda is rhetoric designed to manipulate people through language and is illegal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.244.25 (talk) 13:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Also ,the article states that Nemtsov supposedly stated "On 10 February, on a news website, he wrote "I'm afraid Putin will kill me"", nut no source has been given. This should either be confirmed or removed. Optomaniac (talk) 21:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• Well there is a ref to BBC at the end of this sentence. I have added a direct ref to his Sobesednik interview there Nemtsov said it Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

RT

would info taken from an RT broadcast be legit? VC 02:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd use with care, especially in this context. They can be reliable especially if there are no other available sources for a small factual detail, but they have been accused of being controlled by Putin so watch out for spin Elinruby (talk) 05:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Photo info

There is no reason to have this sentence in the lead: "A dramatic news photo showed his body 'by accident or design theatrically placed' with the Kremlin and a lighted Saint Basil's Cathedral behind." And even if it did belong, it would be nice to link to the article mentioned. Fnordware (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

• I concur and removed the sentence about photo. Alex Bakharev (talk) 20:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• fwiw, I agree. Have copy-edited through there once or twice, and yes,that dsentence did sound cut and paste from perhaps a Russian newspaper article. There are a lot of issues of weight, all over the article really. But since I was able to find reliable sources for the original editor's statements that somebody flagged with citation-needed templates, even statements like that are perhaps attempts to insert important detail. I believe some editors want to makw the the point is that of course this is an assassination, and while this appears to be a consensus among journalists as well, we do *not* actually *know* anything of the kind at this point, let alone who is responsible. Yes, it does seem ironic that he died within sight of the Kremlin but this is still just detail, however dramatic, and probably better used in the murder article. This may also be true of the interview about fearing he'd be killed. If he feared that Putin would kill him, it's material, but it doesn't prove that Putin did. Of course this question is likely to generate a fair amount of news coverage and maybe there should be a section entitled Murder Investigation or something of the kind, and either mention the protests in there or in another separate section. Elinruby (talk) 06:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Death

31% of the introduction of the article deals with Nemtsov's death. Is his assassination really worth a third of everything the man has achieved in his lifetime? Furthermore, a big chunk of the intro insinuates that Putin was involved in the killing, by writing sentences along the lines of "at the time of his death he was critical of Putin", "he said that Putin wanted him killed", "he was killed when he was plotting against Putin", while we have yet to find out the results of the ongoing investigation. It really would be a shame if Wikipedia was used to exploit Nemtsov's tragic death for political goals against Vladimir Putin. --UrbanVillager (talk) 01:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes.Volunteer Marek (talk) 02:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

The assassination is extremely relevant to the article..information regarding it should not be abridged or stifled in any way. 66.177.244.25 (talk) 21:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Very few people in the west would have heard of the man had he not been assassinated, I think. Despite my warning above, there does seem to be an overwhelming consensus that it *was* an assassination. But yes, Wikipedia should be very wary of seeming to endorse the idea that it was necessarily Putin. Even if individual editors believe this. 173.164.138.205 (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Exclusive - Scribbled note shows Nemtsov on trail of Russian deaths in Ukraine

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/05/uk-russia-nemtsov-ukraine-idUKKBN0M120620150305
--YeOldeGentleman (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Illicit sexual relationships with mistresses and illegitimate sons

Recently, Designer Anna Lesnikova appeared publicly and admitted that she and Nemtsov were in secret relationship for years and she gave birth to a child of Nemtsov (Danilo 17 years old). Designer Anna Lesnikova said: "I gave birth to a son by Boris Nemtsov and my son has a right to the inheritance!” Interview of Anna Lesnikova Source: http://super.ru/news/113717

Catherine Iftodi, a Russian TV presenter, also revealed that she was in secret sexual relationship with Nemtsov and she gave birth to his child on 2014 (Boris 1 year old). She stated that she is going to fight for inheritance at the court to ensure her son’s right. Interview of Catherine Iftodi Source: http://super.ru/news/113622 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iambleeding4assyria (talk • contribs) 23:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Comparison to the Russian Language Version

Hey, this page seems to show some major differences to the Russian language version of the page. Here it states that Boris Nemtsov was assassinated but it is never specifically stated which group or organisation had committed the act. On the Russian language version however, it states that he had put out Islamphobic comments and that he was apparently assassinated by Islamists. The english language version of the page makes no reference to this and I am wondering if this should be put in the page. The differences are unclear but I believe that the Russian side of the story should be mentioned side by side with the version that has been written. Cheers.

--Sendator (talk) 12:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Very few sources, if any, point to that theory. DaltonCastle (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Very well. The Russian language talk page also seems to make no mention of this theory.

--Sendator (talk) 08:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

The minor 'major opposition'

I don't know about any other westerners (Oz here), but I nearly always hear him called the opposition leader by our media (Even A.B.C. & S.B.S). I have heard this is wrong, and he has very little support in Russia. I think, if this is common in other countries also, that it should be clearly mentioned he is NOT the opposition leader, despite what our cappie propaganda says. The Pastafarian Church (talk) 18:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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See also

I have removed the See Also section since all it contains is a link to "unsolved murders", whereas it is known who killed Nemtsov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.211.109 (talk) 04:30, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Please check this edit if you can read Russian

@Rjensen, Панн, and Ybelov: Anonymous editor (@100.19.10.178:) has dealt [here] with 2 out of 5 passages sourced from a reference called "early_profile" (I just renamed it EarlyProfile), replacing the source but keeping "early_profile" as the ref name. There are 3 more passages sourced from "early_profile", either covered by the new Russian-language source he has introduced, or maybe not. I cannot tell. In order to be on the safe side, for those 3 I've put back in the old source. "100.19.10.178" doesn't seem to be an experienced editor, as he has introduced twice the entire set of details for his new source (I removed the second, and used a new ref name for all instances where he clearly intended to source things from that particular book he brought in). All of it needs to be checked!!! Arminden (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2021 (UTC)