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If alpha and beta males pseudoscientific terms, then why are we animals? Darbymarby (talk) 20:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It started as a term to describe wolves, but has since been discredited as term to apply to animal behavior. See Dominance hierarchy--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 03:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrectly, with wolves there are still alphas in unrelated groups, as well as among primates. 82.149.149.48 (talk) 12:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Pseudoscientific?"

I think the term "pseudoscientific" may very well have been used unneutrally in the lead. Like the unsigned user under the topic "Type A and Type B personalities" on this talk page said, alpha and beta ties into the Type A and B personality types hypothesis quite closely (many use the terms interchangeably), and the subject is rather contentious politically and ideologically speaking, so an editor might've put pseudoscientific there under emotional influence. Pie GGuy (talk) 23:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is cited in the article body. See MOS:LEAD. Article talk pages are not an appropriate place to speculate about the imagined motivations of other editors (per WP:TALKNO). Generalrelative (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed that "pseudoscientific" got removed from the lead again, which is fair actually, give that I couldn't find many sources specifically referring to it as that. However, there are many sources saying that it is a scientifically inaccurate concept, and I don't know the best way to convey that in the lead. Thoughts? 22090912l (talk) 22:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for opening this discussion. I've restored the term for now, since the rationales for removal weren't based in policy. Though not all reliable sources use the term "pseudoscience" here, plenty do, and the scientific consensus is clearly that the terms are misleading when applied to humans. Generalrelative (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article fundamentally needs to reference the Alphas and Betas in Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel "Brave New World" (rated one of the best novels in history): set in a future unfamiliar to the people of the 1930s (an era that saw the rise of fascism in Germany and Italy).

The caste system, featuring Alphas and Betas (male and female), and the related sexual and intellectual practices of each is analysed in some depth by Huxley's novel; from the perspective of an outsider. The outsider's identity, character and background is vital.

How you edit this in is up to you. It is appalling that the connection (and related critique) is not already in this article - and that an explanation of the caste system (Alphas, Betas, Gammas, etc) has been stripped_from/not_inclueded_in the Wiki entry for Brave New World.

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https://study.com/academy/lesson/5-caste-colors-in-brave-new-world.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World https://www.wsfcs.k12.nc.us/cms/lib/NC01001395/Centricity/Domain/1060/huxley_glossary.pdf https://www.britannica.com/topic/Brave-New-World Prosper01932 (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: "How you edit this in is up to you" no. Please describe the changes you want to be made in a "change X to Y" format and reopen this request when ready. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]