Talk:Bernard Purdie

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Midi files

Does it disturb anyone else that the examples of "The Purdie Shuffle" are midi files that are actually and spiritually the antithesis of what groove and subtlety Mr. Purdie is known for? I'm sure someone more familiar with rules and regulations here could find a four or eight measure example of a recording that would be protected under "fair use". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.184.177 (talk) 09:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

O-o-h Child

Is it true he played drums on The 5 Stairsteps "O-o-h Child"? If so it would be notable, the drums on that song rock. 76.226.9.120 (talk) 07:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed and added to contributions section http://funklet.com/ooh-child/ See also: http://kilesmith.com/2010/09/12/ooh-child/ 76.226.9.120 (talk) 12:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Birth Date

The Wikipedia article says he was born on June 11, 1941. However "Drummerworld" http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Bernard_Purdie.html gives his birthdate as June 11, 1939. The latter date is also given on Purdie's own website http://www.bernardpurdie.com/profile.htm. Think the Wikipedia date should be altered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.253.177 (talk) 18:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is this issue resolved? Was he born in 1941 or 1939? The current statement reads "In order to be able to obtain a licence to perform in public (minimum age 21), Purdie claimed he was born in 1939, while in fact he was born in 1941." This is in conflict with the birth date given earlier in the article (1939).

That statement no longer appears in the article. The consensus among most sources seems to be 1939. That's what the two current sources state. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Beatles claims?

This is the same guy who has claimed for years that he overdubbed drums onto Beatles tracks, and we hear him, not Ringo, on the records? If so, worth including. It's part of what he's known for. 2.121.96.220 (talk) 20:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't "overdub". He was the drummer on 21 early Beatles songs. The Beatles "playing on their own records" can be demonstrated to be impossible, owing to timeframes.

What I wrote in the page (« ...there is no mention of this on the musician's official website or his autobiography, Let the Drums Speak !, released in 2014. The vast majority of sources say that it is indeed Ringo Starr who officiates behind the drums. » ) is verified. His claims are not. He did not play on 21 early Beatles recordings. That is a fabrication. JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 01:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe he was warned off. Not early recordings, but it can be proved that none of Lennon, McCartney, Harrison or Starr played an instrument on Rubber Soul(or had anything to do with the writing of.)

And Trump was a great president, January 6th was the work of patriotic Americans and Santa is real! Find serious references for your claims and sign your comments ! This is not the place for baseless conspiracy theories. Over and out. JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 11:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's really immature, and I find it very depressing that anyone could make a response like that. Whole Bernard Purdie's discussion page isn't the place for it, it can be easily demonstrated that the Beatles neither wrote "their" songs, nor recorded the guitars/bass/keyboards/drums on any of "their" records.of course,none of your "serious references"(ie. corporate shills) would ever dare to tell the truth. And the truth can NEVER be a "baseless conspiracy theory". Still over and out, JP? You need to take the blinkers off, buddy.

The modifications I made were referenced and verified but were removed and badly referenced. The claims by Purdie are demonstrably false. He did not claim to have played on the Hamburg recording as stated here, but he falsely claims he did overdubs on 21 Beatles tracks including « the one with yeah, yeah, yeah.» The text that is now on Wikipedia is at best misleading, at worst false. I will not rewrite my corrections for they will be erased or changed again. JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 00:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of the places where Purdie's claim shows up is in Max Weinberg', book "The Big Beat" in which he mentions 21 tracks, but refuses to name them. The Tony Sheridan tracks were not Ringo on drums anyway, but when Weinberg asks Ringo about it in the same book Ringo says, "Everyone was expecting me to come out and fight it. You don't bother fighting that shit." That's kind of how I feel about it too. Oh yes, Perdie said that he played on some Animals, and Monkeys and Rolling Stone tracks too. No titles, of course. Carptrash (talk) 02:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you !! I'm putting my text that was wiped here : « Bernard Purdie has long claimed, the first time in a 1978 interview, to have remade the recording of the drums on no less than 21 Beatles tracks.^[1] But today, there is no mention of this on the musician's official website or his autobiography, Let the Drums Speak !, released in 2014.^[2] The vast majority of sources say that it is indeed Ringo Starr who officiates behind the drums. Rather, it is likely that Purdie was the studio drummer hired by Atco Records in 1964 to add a punchier sound for the US market^[3] to the songs "Ain't She Sweet", "Take Out Some Insurance On Me, Baby" and "Sweet Georgia Brown",^[4] recorded in Hamburg with Tony Sheridan in 1961 and 1962, when Pete Best was the drummer of the fledgling British band.^[5] It is also probable that he played on covers of Fab Four songs performed by groups of imitators with names like the Buggs, the Liverpools or the Beetles, created by unscrupulous record companies in order to take a piece of the pie. Over time, the drummer could therefore have mistakenly remembered that he embellished the original recordings.^[1] » This is more balanced and much closer to the truth even if we may never know what Purdie really did. JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I heard that Purdie also played hi-hat on all of the early Elvis hits... ? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that. Ernst Jorgensen in "Elvis Presley: A Life in Music, the Complete Recording Sessions" lists the musicians on all of Presley's sessions and Purdie does not show up in the Index, so he is not there. Purdie was a great . . . ...... self promoter, let's just let it go at that. Carptrash (talk) 00:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the irony. I'm so creduluous. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are three books in the bibliography about the Beatles but they are not mentioned in the article. I don't see any reason for them being there. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 07:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "Did Bernard Purdie play for the Beatles? - Quora". Quora. Retrieved 12 June 2021.
^ "Replacing Ringo? The Story Behind Bernard Purdie and The Beatles". Fab Four Archivist. Retrieved 12 June 2021.
^ Ingham, Chris (2009). The Rough Guide to the Beatles. Rough Guides UK. p. 363. ISBN 978-1-84836-752-4.
^ Gottfridsson, Hans Olof; Sheridon, Tony & Beatles. The Beatles from Cavern to Star-Club: The Illustrated Chronicle, Discography & Price Guide 1957–1962. Premium Publishing (1997). pp. 222, 310, 313, 333, 341.
^ Everett, Walter (2001). "Notes to pages cited". The Beatles as Musicians. Oxford University Press. pp. 202–212. ISBN 9780195141054.

Birth Year

Purdie was born in 1941. He is now 82 years old … and that’s a fact! 72.88.156.224 (talk) 22:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His own website here says 1942. This does not match our book source here which says 1939, as does AllMusic and discogs. But Leonard Feather's 1999 book The Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz here does say 1941. So it's not very clear who is correct. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[quora-1] "Did Bernard Purdie play for the Beatles? - Quora". Quora. Retrieved 12 June 2021.

[2] "Replacing Ringo? The Story Behind Bernard Purdie and The Beatles". Fab Four Archivist. Retrieved 12 June 2021.

[Ingham_2009-3] Ingham, Chris (2009). The Rough Guide to the Beatles. Rough Guides UK. p. 363. ISBN 978-1-84836-752-4.

[4] Gottfridsson, Hans Olof; Sheridon, Tony & Beatles. The Beatles from Cavern to Star-Club: The Illustrated Chronicle, Discography & Price Guide 1957–1962. Premium Publishing (1997). pp. 222, 310, 313, 333, 341.

[5] Everett, Walter (2001). "Notes to pages cited". The Beatles as Musicians. Oxford University Press. pp. 202–212. ISBN 9780195141054.

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