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Former good article nomineeBen Roethlisberger was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Ben got his start in 2005 after Tommy Maddox injuried his elbow against the Baltimore Ravens, not the Oakland Raiders. (TDM)

This article needs to be corrected because it has an error of factual information. Ben was 14-0 as a starter. He did not start the first 2 games of the season, Tommy Maddox did. He started every remaining game of the season beginning with the 3rd game. This article states that Tommy Maddox started the last game of the season, which by the way was vs. the Buffalo Bills, and that is incorrect. Ben also started that game. As a matter of fact Tommy Maddox did not play in that game at all. There were 34 passes thrown in the game in question, and Ben threw all 34 of them, completing 21. This rounds out his rookie season on a winning streak, making his record 14-0 during the regular season of his rookie season.

Other than that I found this article to be a great one!

Steelgal58 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steelgal58 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had to bold the NFL season title to put the two individual seasons inside of the main NFL season section. Is there any other way to do it? Akshayaj 17:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried it by instead bolding the individual seasons, and that works better I think Akshayaj 17:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Help:Section, they need to use the correct header formats... just using bold words isn't correct. --W.marsh 17:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

alright I did it the right way Akshayaj 18:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary Comments

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The officiating in the Super Bowl. Save it for the actual Super Bowl article. It has nothing to do with Roethlisberger himself, don't turn it into an article about the game.

WHAT IS WITH HIM BEING CALLED ORLANDO GONZALEZ? Someone with the privileges change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.48.110 (talk) 18:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


"As for Roethlisberger, he has remained magnanimous. He told a reporter for the Findlay Courier at the NFL combine just prior to starting his NFL career, "I'm up here now. So no, there's not too many regrets." [3]" -- Not encyclopedia. Sounds like a fan club instead. 66.148.168.154 (talk) 20:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Misc

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--How about a picture of Ben? I can't believe somebody could find a picture of the storefront of Peppi's but can't put up a picture of the guy himself, I'm sure it gets 8,000,000 hits on Google Images. I don't know how, because I don't sit on Wikipedia all day editing other people's free speech.

1. It has not been established wether or not he was wearing a helmet yet. Don't post stuff you don't know about.

  • I recall some reports in which witnesses stated this. I can't find them right now, though.

2. Somebody take out the "Died June 12 2006" part that some Jealous Colts fan put in.


Ben has never thrown more then 3 interceptions in a game, why does it say he averages 5 picks when he throws over 24 times?

Changing the tense for the superbowl game is fine, but adding that sentence about beating two undefeated teams in a row mid-season seems to be a mistake. That statment seems meaningless. What constitutes midseason, and is there a citation that proves it had never been done before? ZPS102 20:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm going to agree with you on that. Without a date attached, that line is meaningless. -im Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 21:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Steelers beat the Patriots in week 8 and the Eagles in week 9, in a 17 week season that pretty much constitutes the middle of the season, and it hadn't been done before, John Madden said so.

Dubious, 05/26/06

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The passage "Averages 5 interceptions in games where he has been forced to throw 24 or more passes" appears under the records section. As it stands, this is not an actual record (more like trivia), but in either case, it's also wrong. It implies 5 INTs per game, which is not correct.

For what it's worth, he averages 1.076923 interceptions in (professional) games where he attempts 24 or more passes (stats from nfl.com). I have no idea what the original editor intended, but this sentence should be struck; guess I may have to register. -Jesse 70.96.145.221 22:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious, 12/18/05

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  • I can't find any mention of Ben Roethlisberger chewing tobacco anywhere. Please cite a source.
Addaone 20:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have searched and can only find one article that has reference to Ben Roethlisberger & chewing tobacco, and it was a satire article.

Navychappy 20:55, 15 August 2009

Roethlisberger image

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I hope that someone out there can come up with a better picture of Roethlisberger which we can use on Wikipedia (i.e. public domain or otherwise open source). Drunken party pics are all well and good (and probably open source, too), but not something by which I think he should be immortalized. -- SwissCelt 13:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought it was funny. -- myselfalso 15:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is now 2011. Drunken party pics are the perfect representation for this slimeball. Jrgilb (talk) 05:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

jordan

high school

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The high school section needs some fixing. I don't quite get "didn't play qb until he was a freshman" Doesn't high school start with being a freshman? And I'm not sure the last line fits.

Perhaps the writer meant that his HS freshman year was the first year in his life that he played QB--that he played a different position in the lower grades.

High School

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If I'm remembering correctly, it went like this: Findlay had a freshman football team, and he was the quarterback of the Freshman team that year. The following year, he went straight from the Freshman team to the varsity team (skipping JV), and he was a wide receiver on the Varsity team his Sophomore and Junior years. During that time, Ryan Hite was the quarterback.

This has caused a fair bit of controversy, as Ryan is the son of Cliff Hite (who is currently running for the Ohio House of Representatives), who was the coach of the football team. But, at the time it wasn't a controversy at all. With Ryan at QB, we were running more of an option style offense, and we were winning. It didn't become a controversy until much later.

Anyway, his senior year, he became the QB and broke a bunch of records. He appeared in Sports Illustrated that year in.. 'Faces in the Crowd' or something like that, and he came in second (I think) for Mr. Football Ohio or something. Pepsi2786 04:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please add the parts of this that you know are true, such as the differences with the coach and the faces in the crowd mention, I can't provide a source for these but I agree completely with what you've written, I remember seeing it on TV during the 2005 season.JohnnyRush10 09:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pre Draft combine stats

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What were his various combine stats? What was his Wonderlic score? Funkyj 18:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bengals fans and others who dislike Roethlisberger

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Please do not add scare quotes to reflect bias, such as "he 'won' the Superbowl." -EB

Here's something else, if you want to argue the credibility of his Super Bowl victory, also cite Mike Pereira's speech stating the other side of the argument, because these articles have to be neutral.

Bengals fans are the worst. They try to make up for their teams suckiness by ripping on the Steelers; who by the way just won their sixth Super Bowl. 205.126.66.133 (talk) 16:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)From ZJ to BG.205.126.66.133 (talk) 16:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Failed GA

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This article failed the GA noms due to lack of stability as it is a current event. Tarret 00:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Style of play

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I'm removing the "Style of play" section because it is uncited and is generally disjointed. Roethlisberger being a pocket passer "who can scramble when neccessary" doesn't say much considering most quarterbacks can be described that way. His weight may be factual, but doesn't explain his style of play. Every quarterback's height allows them to "look over the line" and saying that "he has a big arm and good range" isn't encylopedic. The rest doesn't explain his style of play and would do better under a 2005 section. - Ektar 05:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Nothing about his accident

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Why is there nothing about his motorcycle accident? This is Wikipedia and that's a pretty major event in his life that's affected him and also created controversy about helmets.

Done, but no reason you couldn't have done it yourself. :) NawlinWiki 14:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Current Events tag

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I have removed the current events tag as I believe enough time has passed since the accident that we will not recieve a lot of new information. There may be more information released about his recovery but it probably will not change rapidly as events pass. Please discuss if this tag is needed still. --WillMak050389 19:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


What is up with it saying "I hope rotlisberger does better next time".. BIAS??

FOR the record

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...ben was born in lima ohio at st ritas hospital...not in findlay...but every time i change it, some idiot puts it right back to findlay... in fact he lived in elida ohio until his mother past away, then his father remarried and moved the family to findlay ohio. N.B. this comment was written by 71.79.41.67 and was unsigned. --Dpryan 18:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then cite your source. The previous citation alleged to verify your claim even contradicts you. Unless you have some source, his own website says he's from Findlay, then you can't go around writing that willy-nilly. See WP:V. Assuming what you say is correct (and it may well be, I'm three years older than him so I wouldn't have remembered him at Elida) then a more accurate statement would be "born: Lima, Ohio but moved to Findlay, Ohio at a young age" or something of the like. --Dpryan 18:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source that stated his birthplace as Lima, Ohio, as follows; http://www.kidzworld.com/article/8871-ben-roethlisberger-biography --Navychappy 23:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WHY???

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On the page i saw this under the NFL career section.


I tried to erase it, but i coulndt find the words on the edit page. could sombody see if they can remove this. thanks!

It was vandalism which was reverted in less then a minute. Jaranda wat's sup 05:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Punter?

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I believe that Roethlisberger was a punter in college. I read an issue of "Sports Illustrated for Kids" and found this out. 216.165.236.141 18:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having followed him throughout college, I can say that... no, he was not the punter. He did, however, occasionally punt the ball on trick plays. On fourth down, when they were considering going for it, the offense would come onto the field, and he'd line up in a shot gun formation. If he didn't like what he saw, he'd just drop a few steps back, and punt it. This worked quite well, since the defense wouldn't put a returner back with the offense on the field, and the ball was often downed within the 20 yard line. -- Pepsi2786 22:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

impersonator

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I'm going to remove the impersonator section. A lot of scam artists pretend to be celebrities, and there's nothing particularly noteworthy about this particular scammer. Charles (Kznf) (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

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In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

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DumZiBoT (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Career statistics"

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Half of these sections are unimportant and can go. We don't need every way to measure his success displayed here. Records vs team and Comebacks can go. Also, the 2008 season section needs a major cleanup, as does the whole article really. Grsz11 04:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Giants??

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Someonde change Big Ben team. He plays in Pitsburgh Steelers, not in New York Giants! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.27.189.205 (talk) 23:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Record vs, other teams (Regular Season)

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Ben is not 0 for 2 against the Titans he lost in this previous season but destroyed them in week one of the season where they won their fifth superbowl remember he had his first perfect passing record —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.169.186 (talk) 01:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual assault case

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Ben is being sued for sexual assault. A number of outlets are reporting this now and it should be mentioned in the article.

Here is a number of articles on the story. http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&topic=s&ncl=dEdBpqvRZ3MVQZM-qelflaX_GL1rM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.241.217 (talk) 16:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Agreed, this should be mentioned. Even bad news is news. And it is a fact he is being sued, regardless of whether he is guilty or not. Another source: http://snarkfood.com/casino-employee-andrea-mcnulty-sues-ben-roethlisberger-for-sexual-assault/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeattleEditorGirl (talk • contribs) 17:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it should be mentioned that, suspiciously, ESPN is the only media outlet that is refusing to report this case. They have reported civil suits in the past (Isiah Thomas, Shannon Brown, etc..), yet they are completely quiet about the Ben Roethlisberger case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.66.135 (talk) 01:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe until the case is resolved, it should receive a one line statement, stating only that the civil suit was filed, and no criminal case was opened. --Navychappy 23:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently states that no charges were broght on him in either assault cae. not sure if this is entiretly an accurate statement since there was a civil suit filed in the first. shouldn't it say no CRIMINAL charges were filed in either?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.10 (talk) 05:17, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ranks among Steelers quarterbacks

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Should this section be removed? Half the things list him as 1st all time, which is repeated in the franchise record section. Then the other half are him being 2nd, which just implies he trails Bradshaw and will move past him once he plays long enough. The only other thing is interceptions, which again isn't too important where you rank in that for a franchise. I think we can just remove that section completely. --Smk42 (talk) 06:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Charity

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I found this article and quote "Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, gave $250,000 to the Pittsburgh police and fire departments for canine armor." http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/24/smallbusiness/k9_storm.fsb/index.htm?cnn=yes Might be worth integrating. 190.246.50.130 (talk) 04:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missed/incorrectly reverted vandalism

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{{editsemiprotected}} Check this comparison to see what I'm talking about. The stats, Oakland game summary and the caption all seem fine, but the following things need changed:

  • Please replace the random exclamation mark at the beginning of the "Early years" section with "Roethlisberger was born in Lima, Ohio".
  • In the third paragraph of the "Professional career" section, please restore the original wording: "On March 4, 2008, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Roethlisberger agreed to an eight-year, $102 million contract."
  • In the trivia section, regarding the various Roethlisberger sandwiches, please change "hamburglar" back to "hamburger".

On a more minor note, the article has a few contractions that should be eliminated, if anyone has the urge.

Thanks. 71.162.23.79 (talk) 06:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done BejinhanTalk 10:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics Section

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Do we really need to list his 4th Quarter comebacks and his record against other teams? This seems a bit...superfluous and its certainly not the norm for other quarterbacks, even ones of much more accomplishment and note. To me it makes the article almost ridiculously long. 99.169.250.133 (talk) 19:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The record against opponents could go, but I'd keep the comebacks in there for now just because it's something widely known about his career at this point, and I'm hoping it helps people cite exactly how many he has and in which games. Too often different numbers are thrown around and with it being laid out here, people have a source to look at and get their numbers from. For the time being there isn't a better source out there to keep track of that (that is expected to change hopefully in the near future), so for now I'd keep it put. --Smk42 (talk) 06:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about creating a separate page where his statistics and tables could be moved, to ease up the clutter and length of this article? I'm still unsure whether we need to list all of his 4th quarter comebacks, as many quarterbacks are known for that...Peyton Manning has 7 this season alone. 99.169.250.133 (talk) 08:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think my point was proven again in today's game. FOX quickly threw up a graphic that he has 12 game-winning drives. Anyone that follows football knows that number is far too low. I don't know if Fox had a typo or just some really poor stat keeping on it. And Ben delivered one that will be talked about for a while in this game. That's definitely a huge part of the lore of his career. Just keept it where it is now. There should be a football site that gets the list up (for every QB, not just Ben) of games for every QB in the future, but right now it's not there. --Smk42 (talk) 02:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No one replied when I asked, so I removed the starting record vs. other teams section for the time being. He hasn't beat all the teams, and it's impossible for him to get to that in 2010 (can't beat Indy and Arizona in the regular season). That would be better reserved for a QB like Favre/Manning/Brady that has beaten the other 31 or 32 teams in the league and has a lot of career starts. --Smk42 (talk) 07:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked at any other quarterback's article, but I must say, the sections on 4th quarter comeback seems unnecessary, as do the "recaps" of each season. These look more like WP:LISTS, though I know they're not. Hey, we have "Articles" and "Lists", why not some third category that consists of bulleted stuff with more text than a list, but insufficient prose to be an article? 74.178.230.17 (talk) 03:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see that 99.169.250.133 had that idea before me. Except I want to make this an official type of Wikipedia entry that could be used on a regular basis. Maybe WP:INFOLIST or something. 74.178.230.17 (talk) 03:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sanitized opening of article

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Um, isn't there a wikiipedia rule somewhere that says that the part of the article above the table of contents is supposed to be a summary of the contents of the article? Then why isn't there anything about Ben's chronic bouts of misbehaviour? 74.178.230.17 (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is ridiculous that no one has added anything to the opening of the article about what a oaf this guy has been. 74.178.230.17 (talk) 22:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed what was added because I see major inconsistencies on this site in regards to what are basically character issues. Why put it there when the guy's never even been arrested?

  • Larry Johnson's been arrested 4 times and charged with assault against women, not to mention his team basically got rid of him for all his behavior against Todd Haley, and there's no mention of that in the intro.
  • Marshawn Lynch has numerous arrests & problems mentioned, but none of it in the intro.
  • Cornelius Bennett was one of the few NFL players to actually serve some jail time for an assault and there's no mention of it anywhere on his page.
  • Pacman's various antics get a scant two lines in his intro.
  • Donte Stallworth has a dead body on his hands and he gets one sentence.
  • Go look at Michael Irvin's page and see how his legal troubles takes up a huge chunk of the table of contents, yet not one word about it in the intro.
  • Ben's former teammate, Santonio Holmes, has his own growing list of problems and again not a single word.
  • Terrell Owens, totally clean off the field, but has more words about his TD celebrations than his career-defining turmoil caused with teammates in several spots. Notice his "Controversey" section has 5 sub-sections and it's poorly handled in the intro.
  • Nothing about Marvin Harrison's shooting case, antisocial behavior or choking incidents in the intro.
  • Tank Johnson? Not a word in the intro.

If you're going to add it for Roethlisberger then you have a lot of adding to do to other guys' pages. And I don't agree with practically all of them. These aren't O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth or Maurice Clarett, football players practically known for their legal issues more than their playing career.--Smk42 (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What this IP user said is true. WP:Lead states "The lead should define the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight." The fact that the articles you've listed are not perfect doesn't mean this one shouldn't be. I will wait for you to respond.  Chickenmonkey  16:33, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But WP:Lead isn't gospel, it's just another article people have put on here and edited the way they see fit. How many articles, not just for athletes, on this site follow that definition for the lead? Almost none from what I've seen. So why would you put a 512 character paragraph in there when a guy like Pacman Jones has one short sentence? Why are we detailing Ben's stuff more than those players? The standard has been established long ago for what people expect to see from a lead whether they're looking up an athlete, an actor or a politician. And that standard keeps personal problems out of it completely or to a very limited length unless it's significant to their life's story (again, O.J. Simpson as an example). I'd at least wait until the punishment comes down from the NFL to see how significant this is really being viewed for Ben by a source like the league & his own team. --Smk42 (talk) 03:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While you are correct, WP:Lead isn't gospel. It is, in fact, a reflection of an agreed upon consensus. I can't attest to the quality of every article on Wikipedia, but a great many of them do reflect this ideal of summarizing the articles contents within the lead. WP:FACR plainly states, "a concise lead section that summarizes the topic and prepares the reader for the detail in the subsequent sections". Given that the charity and off-field sections amount to roughly 2000 words, a 512 character paragraph to summarize them isn't all that much weight.  Chickenmonkey  04:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Smk42, your characterization of WP:LEAD is well off the mark. Gospel? In a project where WP:IAR exists, obviously, there is no "gospel". Of course, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:NPOV and WP:BIO are as close as we get. Immediately under these are guidelines, and WP:LEAD is one of the longest standing, least disputed guidelines we have. It ain't Gospel, but it is scripture. It is most certainly not "just another article".
As for your contention that, because it hasn't been done in other player's articles, it shouldn't be done here, you need to read WP:OSE (which, unlike WP:LEAD, is just an essay, but a good one worth your consideration, and one that most long-term editors recognize as being valid). By your logic, if we take it out of the wiki world, I could get out of a ticket by explaining to the officer, "I'm sorry sir, but I observe this intersection regularly, and the majority of drivers move through the intersection without coming to a full stop. Until such time as you ticket most of these others, it doesn't make sense to ticket me".
And your assertion that most articles do not follow the standard of WP:LEAD might be literally true, if you take into consideration the hundreds of thousands, perhaps over a million articles, that are so short that WP:LEAD is not really important. But in my observation, you are simply incorrect. Most articles, once they get to the size of this one, are largely in compliance with WP:LEAD. Regardless of whether your observations or mine are more accurate, it is nonetheless absolutely certain that all of our featured articles and good articles do follow the standard that the lead be a summary of the whole article. And we aspire to make our articles meet that higher standard, not keep them at a lower standard, which is what you are, in effect, arguing that we should do.
And keep in mind that I brought this up, not because I am anti-Big Ben (which I am not, by the way. Fool that he has been, nothing has transpired in court, and I vehemently oppose his suspension and subsequent loss of pay in the absence of an accusation in open court facing his accusers and conviction thereof. If it were up to me I would have the Steelers trade him elsewhere for tainting the team's image but let him get a fresh start elsewhere [preferably Chicago]), but rather, because there is already a great deal of material in the article that discusses these matters, and it is therefore supposed to be in the lead, period. It is most certainly not necessary for any conviction to take place to have this mentioned in the lead (see Barry Bonds). Now the amount included should be of reasonable proportions, given the whole article. I don't know where on earth you got that figure of 512 characters, but there is no standard length, other than the one I already mentioned. 74.178.230.17 (talk) 05:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For clarity, I think the 512 character figure comes from the paragraph I added to the lead -- which was subsequently removed.  Chickenmonkey  06:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the off-the-field incidents are worthy of being mentioned in the lead based on the level of coverage, but I think 500+ characters isn't necessary. The paragraph could be paired down to something like, "Off the field, Roethlisberger has been involved in several high-profile incidents, including a nearly fatal motorcycle accident in 2006 and sexual assault allegations in Lake Tahoe in 2009 and in Milledgeville, Georgia, in 2010." I'm not sure his charity has received so much press that it's lead-worthy—when I first read it, I just assumed its inclusion was Chickenmonkey's good faith effort to keep the lead neutral.  Mbinebri  talk ← 14:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for assuming good faith. At this time, I would agree the charity section isn't of significant length and may not need to be in the lead, and it may not even be notable enough to include in the article yet. I think your idea is a good one, although I might remove "several".  Chickenmonkey  18:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Find me any decent-length article about a person that actually follows this lead fluff. You can't hide behind some "consensus", when obviously not everyone was chiming in on what the consensus should be and how a lead should be done. Based on the standard that you come to expect here, it is clearly not a summary of the whole article.

Look at Bill Clinton's article. No mention of the Lewinsky/sex stuff in the lead. It doesn't even mention that he was the governor of Arkansas, which is the beginning of the "Political career" section, yet it does mention that Hillary was a former New York Senator. What kind of crap is that? Obama has that he "previously served as the junior United States Senator from Illinois" on his page. Speaking of Obama, I see nothing covered in his lead from article sections such as "Political positions", "Family and personal life" and "Cultural and political image". Ignoring the Notes-References-Links, Obama's page has 7 sub-sections, and those three things make up sections 5-7, and there's not a word about them.

Michael Jackson gets two short sentences for his allegations with children (which have their own detailed articles and are important). Charlie Sheen's lead includes nothing but some of his movies and his TV show. There's nothing about his sections like "Political views and activities" or anything from his troubled personal life, which are found later in the article. James Dean, very infamous car crash death, gets a TEN WORD sentence on his death in the lead. It doesn't even mention it being in a car crash. His "Death" and "Legacy" sections are quite long yet they're given almost nothing in the lead.

Speaking of deaths, how often does it actually mention the death of the person in the lead? And no, the date of death following their name does not count. Yet you can almost always count on a "Death" section. Marlon Brando, one of the best actors ever, has no mention of his "Final years and death" in the lead, nor any of his personal life. There's a "Recognition" section that consists of one sentence. That should just be moved up to the lead.

You're trying to push for a guideline that is not being followed. If the majority aren't following it, then it must be an unfavorable guideline. How many people even really read the lead anyway? For the most part you're familiar with the thing you're looking up here and you want to read some detailed information found in the body. The lead, for a person, should just be name (birth - death) and a description of what that person did that makes them notable, along with some details of their notable life.

And looking at the allegations articles on Ben's page, I'm not sure if they don't need some serious revising or if they should be moved to a new article and expanded on. It doesn't seem right that allegations that didn't lead to any criminal charges or arrests are longer than the likes of Donte Stallworth's DUI problem that resulted in a man's death. Why doesn't the Georgia one even mention that the whole reason he was there in the first place was to celebrate his 28th birthday? Or that he owns a house around the area. That's important and it's not even mentioned. Which again leads me to believe that either you condense the allegations, or you move them to their own article and expand on them. As for getting this to the lead, it should be accomplished in one sentence since there aren't any criminal ramifications behind any of it --Smk42 (talk) 14:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe splitting the off-field events into their own article would possibly be giving them undue weight. The sexual assault allegations section seems to be of an adequate length while the motorcycle accident section would seem to need some condensing, in my opinion. What really needs to be dealt with is the game-by-game analysis; it's taking up way too much room and provides much too much detail. Most articles on Wikipedia need improvement. Wikipedia's goal is to improve all articles to the level of a featured article. The criteria for improving an article to "featured" status is located here. That criteria includes summarizing an article's content in its lead. I'm sorry, I don't know how it could be any clearer. (also, see my above comment to Mbinebri)  Chickenmonkey  18:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With sexual assault allegations you have the general information and first reports, two sides to the story, the results of the investigation, the DA's conference, the reaction to the case, and the punishment/aftermath of it. I don't know if there's truly enough there right now for it's own article (though remember, there are two allegations to include), but it's a possibility. I still think what is there right now is a bit under par.

And I hate to break it to you, but I don't think most people care at all about this "featured article" stuff. I mean, "At present, there are 2,852 featured articles, and a total of 3,264,265 articles on the English Wikipedia". That's 0.087% of all articles on this thing that are "featured". That's nothing. I don't think someone looks at an article and dismisses it because it's not "featured". I see people quoting stats and such from this page on message boards all the time. It's an article that's being put to use on the net.

I guess I kind of created that format for the season recaps two years ago. I would actually like to do that for all the QBs that are doing something really special with their career right now (so not people like JaMarcus Russell), but the problem with that is that early in their careers there's often not much to speak of since they're just starting out and not really re-writing the history books, which happens later. Also I came up with it out of a strong distaste for articles that would have a bunch of one-sentence paragraphs like "In week X against team Y, QB Z did so and so". That's crap. Drew Brees' 2009 season was like that for a long time but I see someone improved it. Kurt Warner's 2009 season is still similar to that.

I like having the structure where you start with the week, opponent and score so that you don't have to type that stuff out in the sentences. If you'll notice for Ben, the "game recaps" are often just one line or one sentence unless something really special happened like the Packers game or the Miami game in week 17 (which basically recaps the season as a whole). If you do that section in prose, then you have to go back and add all those "In week X against team Y" type sentences, which become really repetitive and clutter up the paragraph. Giving each season some structure is nice. I don't think a line is too much detail at all.

Using Brees as an example again, is it really proper that his 2009 season should be longer than his 3 year Saints career (2006-08) combined, or that 2005 should be more than twice as long as 2001-04 combined? I understand that 2009 is his best season and should be the longest season recap, but things seem very uneven there. 2004 was a real breakout year for him, and 2005 was a little bit of a letdown in comparison, yet 2004 gets 3 lines and 2005 gets 12. I don't know, seems like a lot of work would have to be done to really get these QB articles on some common ground. I do my best with weekly updates during the season to Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning, and I make sure to help out with records & historic stuff for other people like Favre, Brady, Brees, Warner, etc. --Smk42 (talk) 06:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The point is: Wikipedia's goal is to improve articles to featured article status. The fact that such a small percentage of our articles are featured shows: a. The articles are held to a high standard (that of an encyclopedia) and b. Wikipedia is a work in progress.
As for the game recaps, I may be mistaken, but I presume such detailed information should be reserved for 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers season (et al.) Those articles are specifically about the seasons and go into detail about each game. This article should discuss Roethlisberger's career, but not in such detail as a game-by-game analysis.
Perhaps you should bring up your thoughts on the Drew Brees article on its talk page.  Chickenmonkey  08:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, the game-by-game recaps need to be compressed to noteworthy plays by Roethlisberger. As Chickenmonkey says, detailed info is more appropriate for articles on the specific seasons. I also propose removing the 4th quarter comebacks table, as it attributes to Roethlisberger team efforts (many of the dates/games don't mention him) and seems a little cruftish.
It seems we've reached enough of a consensus regarding the off-the-field incidents to return the info to the lead in a single sentence, so I'll do it.  Mbinebri  talk ← 13:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
User:Mbinebri is exactly correct. Apparently User:Smk42 thinks that we want a long detail of the complaints against Ben, but a single sentence at this point (or maybe two, now that the commissioner has rendered his judgement) is all that is necessary. That's the essence of WP:WEIGHT. That these other articles do not is not an indictment of WP:LEAD, it is just an observation that Wikipedia still has over 3 million articles that have not yet reached FA status. 74.178.230.17 (talk) 04:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Season recaps

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This topic has been brought up in the previous section, but since it's buried amidst other topics, I'll just start a new discussion. As Chickenmonkey states, such recaps belong in articles on the team's seasons, not in an individual's article. I completely agree and asked in the sports WikiProject regarding this, and the two responses are rather clear that such recaps don't belong here. I think an article like Philip Rivers is an example of how seasons should be handled.  Mbinebri  talk ← 14:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the Philip Rivers article could be a good way to go. The Tyrone Wheatley article, too, offers a possible direction and it's already been assessed as a featured article.  Chickenmonkey  18:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, Tyrone Wheatley? Could you name any RB with a long career that was so irrelevant? Not sure how that's a featured article. The section in that WikiProject Sports thing contains barely literate responses to a poorly worded question. And I don't see anything in WP:NOT for this. This is a NFL player. No one's going to write out 162 baseball games for a MLB player, just as no one is going to do the same for 82 games of a NHL/NBA player's season. Football players are different because their season is so short (16 games) that you can fit it all in one section without much of a problem. I looked at the 2005 Steeler season article linked above, and I couldn't believe how scant the information was. Subsequent seasons were done better, but for a Super Bowl season, that is poor. There's even playoff games with no recap at all. So how can you say this information would go there when people aren't even getting the basics done on those pages? Since when is giving something structure a bad thing? Do you think that Roethlisberger's 2007 season is well written? Because I looked at that the other day and noticed there's not a single reference/citation in the whole section, and a few sentences that simply don't belong (some things sounded too much like an opinion rather than fact). I can see some things to delete from Ben's 08 & 09 seasons that will shorten it, but for the most part, the info there is about the individual and what the individual did. So why take it out of the individual's article?--Smk42 (talk) 23:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is a really poor way to do it. It should be complete prose, no questions asked. Tha being said, the pre-2008 sections are better, albeit way way too long. Grsz11 00:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tyrone Wheatley has been judged against established criteria to determine it's featured article status, which is how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not a list of stats, which is essentially what these season recaps are. If you feel the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers season article needs improving, improve it. Honestly, this whole article needs a lot of attention, but -- as User: Grsz11 said -- the pre-2008 sections are better.  Chickenmonkey  01:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SI article

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In case you missed it by now, this week’s SI cover article is one of those exhaustive, 6-page investigative with like five authors that they do better than anyone. It’s the most in depth look at the rampant asshatery of Ben Roethlisberger done to date. And among just a few of the highlights:

  • A “few months” after he mashed his face into a car while flipping his motorcycle, a Pittsburgh TV station rolled tape of him riding without a helmet again, and he flipped them the bird as he drove away. But the station pussied out on airing the tape because they were afraid of losing access to the team over it.
  • After he raped the Harrah’s employee in Lake Tahoe, an executive of the hotel told the victim that if she said anything about it, company president John Koster would have her fired and added “That guy [Roethlisberger] can have anyone he wants.”
  • Ben has a real problem with waitstaff people. When another Harrah’s employee ID’ed one of his dates, Roethlisberger and his entourage “mocked, made fun of and mimicked” him, and Ben told the guy Koster was a friend of his. A few days later, the waiter, who’d worked there for 12 years, was fired.
  • At a TGI Fridays, Roethlisberger was waited on by a pregnant woman. Apparently not interested in raping her due to her condition, he harassed her instead with gems like “Did your boyfriend forget to pull out?”
  • On most home game days, Roethlisberger and his merry band of douchebags hit a place called the Fox & Hound, where on at least two occasions he chewed & screwed. Once the waitress chased him into the parking lot yelling “You owe me money” before he relented and paid.

… and so on. Basically SI retraced his steps over the last 5-10 years and could barely find anyone with a kind word to say about the guy. Including the millions of Steeler fans stuck with $100 Roethlisberger jerseys and $500 tattoos of probably the most hated man in all of sports right now. Because t like I said about Lebron James the other day, stars should be judged by how they treat the little people. It’s one thing to rape defenseless girls… plenty of star athletes have done that and didn’t damage their careers a bit… but once you start screwing with people trying to earn a living in a blue collar town like Pittsburgh, you’re finished. Now all we can do is dream of a world where Roethlisberger gets his own ass fired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.75.63 (talk) 06:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I moved this to the bottom of the page. I'm not sure if I should remove this comment (and if it should be removed, maybe someone else will realize that it should be -- and remove it, but I'm not sure if it should or not). To reply, it's too bad for you the SI article doesn't present your biased opinion and doesn't really offer any new information that isn't already public knowledge (and already in this wikipedia article).
  • There may have been such a tape, but the article acknowledges never having seen it and that the station denies it ever existed.
  • The SI article does not say that he raped the woman in Lake Tahoe. It says exactly what this article says. He was accused, she says her boss didn't believe her, a co-worker said she bragged about it. Nothing new.
  • The incident at Harrah's seems to have resulted in a lawsuit between the man and Harrah's... and it is all alleged, as is the case with lawsuits.
The last two things aren't encyclopedic. None of this is encyclopedic, I wouldn't think.
Please keep in mind, Wikipedia is not a forum. The talk page is a place to discuss improving the article. If you feel these items could improve the article, please discuss your reasons why.  Chickenmonkey  09:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

no section on "Personal life" ?

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just wondering if this article should have a section like i see at pages for Tony Romo and Carson Palmer. --68.219.137.44 (talk) 03:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All the alleged sexual assaults are in there, are you suggesting we change the title of those sections to "personal life"?  ;) 74.7.121.69 (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roster status

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Wouldn't he be "suspended," or something of that nature? 24.3.160.113 (talk) 04:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from referring to the accuser(s) as "the victim"

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Since neither of the allegations against Roethlisberger went to trial, much less were proven in a court of law, please refrain from referring to the accuser(s) as "the victim". Victimhood has not been established, and further, portraying Roethlisberger as responsible for their (alleged) victimhood could be potentially libelous. Instead, use their names, "the woman", "alleged victim", accuser, etc. I'm editing the article accordingly. Star shaped (talk) 20:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Football

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To Big Ben, 

Great job,  You have pulled it off again..  Not being disrespectful but if yall can get the passing game a touch better. As in putting:

(Randle El on the wide left (Wallace on the middle left (Miller as Tight end (Ward on right side This concept will throw everybody off and it will stabilize a better running game. This is something nobody has seen in a long time. But if RANDLE EL can't catch 2 passes taken him out put him on special teams for the rest of his contract.. 

Don't get me wrong I love the Great wide receiver that we had before. I have tons of RESPECT for him but i haven't seen him catching any balls in awhile. And to win the SUPERBOWL we have to work like a well oiled machine. 
  Love you guys and just want the best for yall...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.139.49 (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Pinkrosesgjli, 21 January 2011

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{{edit semi-protected}} In the page for Ben Roethlisberger page under the "award" section on the side of the page it claims that he is a "((humanitarian))" There is 2 parenthesis, as if that makes it mean something, but this is clearly not a real award. If it were, it would have a name and a page. But in reality, we all know Mr. Roethsliberger is an excellent player, but in his personal life, he is nothing more than your average frat boy who gets young girls drunk and has his way with them. If you would be so kind as to remove the "((humanitarian))" from his awards section it would be greatly appreciated. Pinkrosesgjli (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I'm not sure what that award was supposed to indicate. —Ute in DC (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Hokejd, 26 January 2011

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{{edit semi-protected}} remove engagement information - not valid source

Hokejd (talk) 01:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 02:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Tuqui-tuqui February 2 2011

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{{edit semi-protected}} There is an image of Peppi's restaurant "Peppi's restaurant, home of the "Roethlisburger" which, in my opinion, should be removed. It simply looks like an ad for the restaurant. This establishment is already mentioned in Trivia. If there needs to be a second image, then an image of his BBQ sauce line can be placed in its place since he is the official sponsor of the food line. I make note of this due to the number of visitors this page will receive during Super Bowl weekend and the Wiki should not be used to advertise your business.


"Piano Man"

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The song "Piano Man," which Ben and his teammates were captured in footage singing during the week before Super Bowl XLV, is by BILLY JOEL, not Elton John. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.18.145.247 (talk) 06:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Roethlisberger and some fellow offensive linemen visited a piano bar and was captured on video seemingly drunk and singing along to Elton John's "Piano Man" (PIANO MAN IS BY BILLY JOEL & HE WAS OUT HAVING A FEW BEERS, SO HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS SEEMINGLY DRUNK?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.0.45 (talk) 17:21, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 98.30.45.139, 6 February 2011

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{{edit semi-protected}} I'm pretty sure that his hometown is Findlay, Ohio instead of Lima, Ohio. His parents live- and have always lived- in Findlay, so I would expect that's where he grew up too.

Well no they dont live there. They actually live outside of Findlay in a rural area,the Corey-Rawson school district. They do not live in Findlay and never have. He originally went to Corey-Rawson, a smaller school but his father transferred him to Findlay High via open enrollment because he was more likely to get a college scholarship by playing at a bigger high school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.108.169.199 (talk) 13:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

98.30.45.139 (talk) 18:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Contested, and no source provided. -Atmoz (talk) 00:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

German Ancestory

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Ben is of Swiss-German Descent, why is this not mentioned? He is a German American, if he were an Italien American, a Jewish American and so on, I am sure it WOULD have been mentioned! 91.65.16.21 (talk) 20:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Elway comparison

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Roethlisberger is often compared to his childhood idol, former Denver Broncos quarterback John Elway, due to the similar styles and fourth-quarter comebacks

Saying that Roesthlisberger is often compared to Elway is an exaggeration based off of just one source, Bleacherreport.com, and that source only indirectly hinted at Elway, "Perhaps somewhere, Ben’s childhood idol and Hall of Fame Quarterback John Elway is watching and admiring. Elway, who is the winningest quarterback in NFL history, is also famous for his last minute drives, all 47 of them, including “The Drive” against the Cleveland Browns in the 1986 AFC Championship game." Come up with more sources, or enumerate who has the opinion, or better just to talk about his comebacks led without these comparisons if they are not really that often. Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, a "contributor" writing an article on BleacherReport is not reliable.—Bagumba (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Record...

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It should be mentioned that he is the player that's been crowned rookie of the week the most times (9). 2nd best is 5 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.162.221.40 (talk) 04:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Edit request on 12 September 2012

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Regarding the profession of Ben's wife, Ashley Harlan" please change "Ashley Harlan, a physician's assistant from New Castle, Pennsylvania.[193]" to "Ashley Harlan, a physician assistant from New Castle..." The job title is physician assistant without and apostrophe, or possessive punctuation. See aapa.org for additional information Apandald (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Player weight

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His weight currently shows Weight: −-55,500 lb (−2 kg) as of Sep 20 12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.127.75 (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish?

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Is he jewish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.185.42 (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, he is not. Dozzzzzzzzzing off (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quarterback class of 2004

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Section states that Roethlisberger, Manning, and Rivers have never had a losing season, but the chargers just finished 7-9. Someone should amend that. Dwarfyperson (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2014

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Ben was actually riding his motorcycle without a helmet, which at the time, was legal in Pittsburgh. This article states thet he was riding without a license. It needs to be changed to 'riding without a helmet.' 76.182.111.88 (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 21:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ben donates $1,000,000 to building new athletic facility at Miami University.

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I'm too new to edit this page. Here's a good source: http://www.muredhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=26100&ATCLID=209735687 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balloonsornoballoons (talk • contribs) 20:05, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2014

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From the section Quarterback class of 2004, please remove all of them do not have a losing season. Only Ben Roethlisberger does not have a losing season. Manning and Rivers have had a 7-9 season. Source (NFL) 87.215.30.190 (talk) 09:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam Sing! 22:08, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Professional Career"

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There is a lot of information in this article but the "professional career" is way too long and unnecessary; most quarterbacks don't have a week-by-week summary of how he performed during every game of his career. This should be moved to a new article. What does everyone else think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pittsburgher1987 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quarterback class of 2004 section needs to be updated

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"Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Manning have all been voted to the Pro Bowl since becoming starters, and none have produced a season with a losing record (although each has had an 8-8 season)."


This statement is no longer true. Only Roethlisberger has continued to avoid a losing record. The Chargers went 7-9 in 2012 with Rivers and the Giants went 7-9 in 2013 and 6-10 in 2014 with Manning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.238.127 (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

== Rape Case Against Ben Roethlisberger by Lake Tahoe woman

The section about the civil case against Ben Roethlisberger that charged him with rape is grossly biased. The inclusion of an affidavit that was released by a Pittsburgh paper is highly inappropriate for Wikipedia. We are not hear to debate the merits of a case... an affidavit is simply the account of a witness that needs to be cross-examined. There are too many questions about the agenda of the friend of the plaintiff. She claims that the plaintiff was bragging about having sex with Roethlisberger because she wanted to get pregnant ... just as the friend could have been bribed or threatened. The woman who filed the affidavit could just as as easily be charged with perjury, but seeing as how she merely reported hearsay and gossip--it's impossible to disprove her statements, unless there is proof that she was bribed or threatened.

The fact is, Ben Roethlisberger settled the civil suit, which that section makes no mention of. In reality, Ben Roethlisberger is a great reason for why people need to see the movie, "Concussion." The only reason that people don't believe the plaintiff is because they believe that a Super Bowl winning quarterback can get any girl he wants. Or perhaps, he was having a psychotic episode from too many blows to the head. These quarterbacks are not "gods" as you want to think ... just like Brett Favre might send creepy texts to sports prostitutes like Jenn Sterger.

Ben Roethlisberger settles civil suit of rape: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/story/2012-01-20/ben-roethlisberger-settles-lawsuit/52702798/1 69.181.135.131 (talk) 17:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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08-09 playoffs has him listed as 2-1, when he was 3-0 (its impossible to with the superbowl with a loss in the playoffs) [1]

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NFL_playoffs

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2016

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Please change - !colspan="2"|Career !! 17 !! 10–7 !! - for - !colspan="2"|Career !! 17 !! 11-6 !! - because the math on the on the Wins-Losses is wrong

Guip1408 (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question: There are lot of table which one are you talking about?
VarunFEB2003   09:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, it was in the playoffs table. Good catch. Lizard (talk) 14:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Ben and his wife welcomed their third child, a son named Bodie, on May 26, 2016. http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/05/26/ben-roethlisberger-wife-welcome-third-child/ Kellyxomarie (talk) 01:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Roethlisberger's Sexual Assault Suspension in Lead

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I don't understand why users are trying to stop Ben Roethlisberger's suspension from being in the lead. It's either because they're biased for him or they don't think rape is that important. Wikipedia's own description of what to include in a lead says "prominent controversies." If being suspended for sexual assault isn't a prominent controversy I don't know what is. Articles should follow the same guidelines. Editors seem to want to include controversies for a person they don't like but don't want to include it for others, unless they just completely don't think sexual assault is serious enough to be highlighted. As Wikipedia also says the lead is the only thing a lot of readers will look at and it should include an overview on the person's life and entice the reader to continue reading. Being accused of sexual assault is a very significant event in a person's life. So please explain to me why it shouldn't be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmorrow151 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018

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Add 2017 Postseason statistics

2017 PIT 1 0–1 37 58 63.8 469 8.6 43 5 1 110.5 2 16 8.0 15 0 0 0 Jacenter58 (talk) 20:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Spintendo  21:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2020

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2x Passing Yards Leader (2014,2018) 5000 yards passing club

NFL Records: Most games with Perfect Passer Rating in a Career: 3 (Tied with Peyton Manning) Most games with Perfect Passer Rating in a Season : 2 (Tied with Lamar Jackson) Shakirasass6969 (talk) 03:04, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Spintendo  15:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalized

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Wish someone would fix this. Bored people have nothing better to during quarantines..... Factcheck7677 (talk) 02:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

47 completions = NFL record

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I'm sure this will be added, but since the article is protected, insert the stat the he broke the NFL record for single game completions (47) against the Browns on 1/10/2021.72.174.71.134 (talk) 05:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Also, someone should add that he has he record for most career 500-yard games with four. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayfinkle1 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Rapistberger. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 11#Rapistberger until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. O.N.R. (talk) 18:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2021

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Please remove 

He is one of six quarterbacks in NFL history to have beaten at least 31 of the current NFL teams.

and add 

He is one of six quarterbacks in NFL history to have beaten at least 31 of the current 32 teams.

Two appearances of "NFL" feels a little redundant, and it would help to say how many teams there are. 2600:1003:B864:8E59:6C24:1C84:5760:517A (talk) 09:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: It does help to say how many teams there are, but I think it interferes with clarity to remove the second instance of the word "NFL". You might find WP:ELEVAR to be enlightening here. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 13:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trim "High school career" section

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The "High school career" section says, "Roethlisberger did not play quarterback until his senior year, giving way to the coach's son, Ryan Hite. Instead, Roethlisberger played wide receiver because, as coach Cliff Hite explained to the Toledo Blade, "My son throwing to Ben was a better combination." Hite told the Toledo Blade regarding the decision to start his son at quarterback over Roethlisberger: "I'm a nationally known knucklehead." This nonsense should be trimmed. It's local trivia about the non-notable Hite father and son and was probably inserted into this article by a local fan and/or alumnus of the school. The only part that should remain is "Roethlisberger was a wide receiver until his senior year, when he became a quarterback." The rest clearly appears to be local trivia used to get the names of the father and son into Roethlisberger's article. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:FDF2:3EB5:8751:7A62 (talk) 23:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

College

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Should be Miami University of Ohio 108.39.242.111 (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it shouldn't. The name of the school is Miami University. "Miami of Ohio" is an unofficial nickname that is widely used to distinguish it from the "other" Miami, the University of Miami. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:FDF2:3EB5:8751:7A62 (talk) 11:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is no harm in putting it in parenthesis to ease the readers understanding.EliteArcher88 (talk) 00:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

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Ben is retiring this year. Put a former in front of American football quarterback. 69.174.136.79 (talk) 18:21, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Be patient. While it's virtually a certainty that he will retire, as Roethlisberger himself has implied, it has yet to be officially announced or confirmed. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:FDF2:3EB5:8751:7A62 (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

edit suggestion

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big ben did not have the longest tenure on a single team by a qb. ever heard of tb's 2 decades with new england? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.233.242 (talk) 00:10, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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