Talk:Bangor High School (Maine)

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Requested move 21 December 2014

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move at this time. I further note that Bangor is a disambiguation page including a large number of municipal names; it therefore should be no surprise that there would be multiple instances of an entity like a "Bangor High School". I would recommend that editors opposing this move create the articles on the other subjects to the degree that their notability allows. bd2412 T 16:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bangor High School (Maine) → Bangor High School – There is no need to disambiguate, as no other Bangor High School is currently on Wikipedia – TM 16:20, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:56, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Need to distinguish completely and distinctly from schools in Bangor, Wales? (I have been to or through Bangor, Wales many times.) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:56, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Also need to distinguish from potential article on high school in Bangor, Wisconsin -- http://www.bangor.k12.wi.us/high_school. If we were naming it from scratch, I'd say to leave it undisambigged, but no reason to move it now and then move it again later. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:16, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bangor, Wales has no high school named "Bangor High School", nor does Bangor, Wisconsin.--TM 18:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, but Bangor, Michigan does. http://www.bangorvikings.org/index.php/high --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - ambiguous. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:50, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per COMMONNAME and PRIMARYTOPIC as Bangor High School already redirects here. It is not ambiguous with any other use on WP, which is the only context that matters. Even if we had multiple articles about high schools with this same name, all of their titles could and would be Bangor High School, except for the fact that our titles map directly to urls, and the urls have to be unique. But in this case there is no url conflict, so nothing to disambiguate. This is quintessential unnecessary disambiguation. --В²C ☎ 22:20, 22 December 2014 (UTC) added COMMONNAME --В²C ☎ 19:59, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above statement on use isn't correct since Bangor High School, Michigan is also included in article copy on en.wp. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Is also include in article copy on en.wp?" Translation, please. --В²C ☎ 06:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me for barging into this discussion. Just wondering if there is a wiki page that explains in detail how an article such as this should be named. To my surprise I found out that Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC is a section in Wikipedia:Disambiguation and not wp:Naming conventions. Jusrt curious. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:24, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is that surprising? The PRIMARYTOPIC consideration only apply when there are multiple uses with articles on WP for the same common name, in which case disambiguation considerations become relevant. Here we have only one use, so COMMONNAME is all we need. --В²C ☎ 19:59, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding В²C The reason I find it surprising is that I assumed naming an article in such a way as to make it unique and also "findable" right from the start, is or should be, a goal at Wikipedia , no? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:26, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Ottawahitech (talk · contribs), making titles "findable" is the point of WP:COMMONNAME. PRIMARYTOPIC only comes into play when multiple topics with articles on WP share the same COMMONNAME; in other words when disambiguation is required. PRIMARYTOPIC is part of disambiguation; it is about determining which if any of those uses of one name should be at the plain name. In this case we have no other uses for this name, so it's really not relevant. --В²C ☎ 00:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, В²C. A unique name does little to help find a topic I am interested in if the title is not descriptive enough. In this case if I was looking for a high school in Maine this school's unique name would do little to help me locate it. No? Or, a for a better example see this. 03:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand, Ottawahitech. If you're looking for an article about this high school, what would you search with other than its name? --В²C ☎ 17:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ottawahitech, I agree. The current title of this article gives at least a minimal geographical context, whereas the proposed title does not. Omnedon (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But Omnedon what is the point of providing any context in addition to the topic's name if there is no conflict with any other use of that name on Wikipedia? Should we provide such context for every title on WP? How do we decide which titles should have additional context, and which shouldn't? How much context should we provide, and how do we decide? Just !vote on it in each case and see what the consensus is among those who happen to participate? And should we do this again every 6 months? Or what? We don't have any guidelines for any of this when there is no actual ambiguity to address. We don't even have a reason to do it. What problem are we solving by providing such context in our titles that are not ambiguous with any other uses on WP? --В²C ☎ 23:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support unless and until there's another article to disambiguate against. If there's just a mention in another article or two, use a hatnote. --BDD (talk) 02:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as ambiguous (Bangor High School (Michigan) and Bangor Area High School), no primary topic and could be misleading. Peter James (talk) 19:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Only Bangor High School in Wikipedia with that exact title. -- Calidum 05:23, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as ambiguous. Omnedon (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- What is ambiguous? Bangor High School is not; it redirects here. --В²C ☎ 17:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No other article with this name, which already redirects here. Similarly-named schools can be distinguished with hat notes.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, turn the existing redirect into a disambig pointing to for example Bangor Area High School and leave the existing article where it is. --TKK! bark with me! 22:45, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Why should Bangor High School redirect to an article about a school named Bangor Area High School? Here's an idea. Bangor High School should be the title of the article about Bangor High School and Bangor Area High School should be the title of the article about Bangor Area High School. What do you think of that? --В²C ☎ 23:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Though perhaps too sarcastic (?), B2C's idea is not a novel one. It's natural disambiguation, which is preferred as a matter of policy. --BDD (talk) 23:19, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was not being very sarcastic, but I did misread. He's not suggesting Bangor High School redirect to Bangor Area High School; he's suggesting a dab page be placed at Bangor High School with links to Bangor Area High School and this article (at its disambiguated title). Still unnecessary because each can be at its own natural title. You can always hatnote link from Bangor High School to Bangor Area High School. But why send people to a dab page? --В²C ☎ 01:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Bangor High School in Michigan may be somewhat smaller, but primacy of the Maine school has not been established here. Both are notable for Wikipedia article purposes. — Amakuru (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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