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Moving non-country specific articles to country-specific

Some people checking out this category may be looking for a ministry located in a specific country, say Portugal. The way this category works today you will not be able to locate Ministry of Economy, Innovation and Development if you do not know that this is the name used in Portugal. I am attempting to fix this by creating redirects such as Federal Public Service Economy (Belgium)‎ to be used in this category instead of the article itself, but this is a clumsy solution. I believe a much better solution is to move such articles to one that specifies the country.

I have tried moving a similarly non-country-specific article yesterday, but my move was reverted by user:Natural RX, apparently because it is not a valid move according to some wiki-rules(?). Can someone please explain. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Am I making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are making sense, but I can't see a way to do it other than by redirects. The relevant policy is WP:MOSNAME: there are many articles of the form "XXX in YYY" where XXX is a topic and YYY a country; but an article about an organisation should have the name of the organisation as its title: only if that is ambiguous should there be extra information for disambiguation. (I thought at first that you could pipe an alternative name in the link, but in category links that serves only to set the sort order, not the displayed link). --ColinFine (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering if anyone else has an opinion? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:09, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ottawahitech, making a certain kind of perusing of some categories more effective as a mechanism for finding specific articles is one of the few (only?) reasonable-sounding arguments to make a title more descriptive, but is still weak. Very weak. If you're looking for the economic ministry of Portugal, you should be looking at Category:Government ministries of Portugal. There, only ministries with ambiguous names are disambiguated, as it should be. Ministries with unique names, including Ministry of Economy, Innovation and Development, are not disambiguated. This approach has the added bonus of informing users immediately about which names are unique and which are ambiguous. If we disambiguated all of them then users could not distinguish between unique and ambiguous uses of names on Wikipedia, a service we now provide by disambiguating only when necessary. --В²C ☎ 18:06, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@В²C, Yes, you have a good point, in this particular case. If I was looking for the Economy ministry in Portugal I could go to

and find Ministry of Economy, Innovation and Development under the letter E. But this is assuming that someone has constructed and developed the two categories mentioned above and that the article is sorted correctly - which unfortunately is not always the case.

Even in this case with Category:Ministries by country which is well developed with 116 subcategories, there are some countries and regions that do not have a dedicated sub-category, for example in the case of Ministry of Presidency, Civil Service and Justice (Galicia). , there is no sub-category Government ministries of Galicia. So imagine if the article title would have been Ministry of Presidency, Civil Service and Justice instead - how would you locate it in Category:Justice ministries?

Or in the case of the Ministry of Justice (Quebec) you would have to add another step (if you happened to know that Qubec is a province in Canada):

Category:Ministries by country ->
Category:Canadian provincial departments and agencies ->
Category:Quebec government departments and agencies Ottawahitech (talk) 15:23, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Searching by category perusal seems very strange to me, especially in a category as vague and broad as Category:Ministries by country. If I was looking for a ministry of Quebec, I would go to Quebec, then Government_of_Quebec, and finally Government_of_Quebec#Cabinet where all the ministries of Quebec are listed, include Ministry of Justice (Quebec). Same with Galicia, Xunta de Galicia, and then Ministry of Presidency, Civil Service and Justice (which was a red link with the article unnecessarily disambiguated at Ministry of Presidency, Civil Service and Justice (Galicia) until I just fixed it). --В²C ☎ 21:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]