Talk:Badagas

. As Wikipedia is the future guide for the world. Kindly do the needful changes about badaga community for its indigenous status. Recently UNESCO announced badaga people are indigenous people of Nilgiris district of Tamilnadu with proper verification. This community called themselves as badaga well before centuries of Tamil land interation. Tamil land wrong fully pronounced it as vadaga or vadagar meaning Northerner. With due respect, I Hope this changes will be incorporated in right spirit. Thank you.

Information is half baked and braised!

This is harming the badaga community!

The migration is emphasised with a wrong notion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilgiriking (talk • contribs) 00:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article size reduced

Much of the informative contents of the article was removed, of course, on the pretext as unsourced. Obviously, unsourced contents can be removed in wikipedia, but now the artaicle has become one line stub! The removed matter was encyclopedic and the same could have been sourced instead of removal. Hope somebody (or myself) will add sources and reload the removed contents. Rayabhari (talk) 12:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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change "Hetha" to "Mahadevi Sathiyakaathi Hethae"

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I am unable to find the word "Hethae" in the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The author should understand that the lingayath community is only a part of the Badagas .

As Paul Hauckin says , not all Badagas are migrants. There are different castes in Badagas they are lingayath, Brahmins, Adikaris,Baduga and Thoriyas.

The author has written the essay with half baked knowledge and research! This is definitely spreading wrong message amongst young crowd.

Kindly make the changes or bring down the protection level of the page. Nilgiriking (talk) 00:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Nilgiriking (talk) 00:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History

Change”They were believed during the time of the Britishers to have descended from Lingayat refugees who settled in the Nilgiris in the early 12th century.[1]

They claim to come from seven siblings living in the Talamalai Hills. After they fled from a Muslim ruler who tried to rape their sister, they settled in different parts of the Nilgiris. The second brother, Hethappa, was working outside when two Todas raped his wife and took his goods. He sought the aid of two Bayaluru, who agreed to help him if they married his two daughters. They killed the Todas and the inhabitants of the village at the time claimed descent from the Bayalurus and Badaga daughters.[1]” To

“Badagas belong to paleolithic period. Neolithic cultures like Dolmens, Cromlech, Cairns, Kistavens, Burrows could be found in many Badaga villages, which is considered as sacred by Badagas("H.B.Grigg,1880:242", "W.Francis, 1908:96", "Thurston, 1913:140").

During Mouriyan period(321 B.C - 184 AD) Buddhist Monks entered Nilgiris to spread Buddhism among the Badagas in Nilgiris, where came the tree worship among Badagas("H.B.Grigg, 1880:242", " Dr.J Halan, 2012:146", "R.Sugumaran, 2014:12" ).

In 1116 A.D. a Badaga King called Kalaraja was ruling Nilgiris. Vishnuvardana of Hoysala Kingdom of Karnataka was the first king to invade Nilgiris, sent his army and tried to threaten the Badagas and ordered to obey him. Three inscriptions refers to Kala's rule from his fort in Kukal Village("B.L.Rice, 1877: Vol:IV, Chp:2" www.badugaa.com).

Even before Britishers arrived to Nilgiris, a Portuguese Priest called Rev. Jocome Fierier visited Nilgiris in 1602("James Wilkinson Breekes, 1873:33"). He did not stay in Nilgiris. He returned back and informed that he found group of Tribal people called Badagas and Todas. He has spoken on Christianity with Badagas( Fedric Price 1908 : 2).”

Nilgiriking (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this change not going to be made?

I guess I should take it to the court. Nilgiriking (talk) 07:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What’s happening? Will you make necessary changes? Nilgiriking (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Badagas are the indigenous people of Nilgiris, who have been inhabited in Nilgiris for thousands of years. The Badagas are as Indigenous to The Nilgiris as the English are to Britain by Paul Hockings, American Anthropologist.^[1] Praveenooty (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Praveenooty:

done. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 03:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Badagas are the indigenous people of Nilgiris, who have been inhabited in Nilgiris for thousands of years. The Badagas are as Indigenous to The Nilgiris as the English are to Britain by Paul Hockings, American Anthropologist https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/tracking-indian-communities/us-anthropologist-gives-voice-to-badagas-nilgiris-origin-claim/

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Kindly change the line

“They were believed during the time of the Britishers to have descended from Lingayat refugees who settled in the Nilgiris in the early 12th century.”

to

“According to the Badaga oral tradition, their ancestors were presumed to be Vokkaligas who migrated from the plains of Mysore to avoid Muslim persecution.” ^[1]^[2]

The references for the former is an outdated and unreliable raj era source according to Wikipedia referencing guidelines on clans User:Sitush/CasteSources.

The referenced for the latter are mentioned below. Cyberanthropologist (talk) 06:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@NeilN: can you expand on your protection reasoning for this page, the log entry only links to the protection policy and I'm not seeing any banners above about sanctions in effect. I'm normally quite lenient on good faith edit requests, but want to weigh it against the specific sanctions you are invoking. (Feel free to process this edit request while you are here!). Thank you, — xaosflux ^Talk 17:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that all of the disputed and now redacted edits prior to the protection were for copyvio, not for other disputes. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Hockings, Paul (1980). Ancient Hindu refugees: Badaga social history 1550-1975. New York: Mouton: The Hague. p. 27-28.
^ Davey, Gareth. Quality of Life and Well-Being in an Indian Ethnic Community: The Case of Badagas. Switzerland: Springer International Publishing. p. 72. ISBN 978-3-319-90662-1.

Done Sennecaster (What now?) 02:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to update this page with information based on more modern research done on this topic by eminent historians of Indian universities. Surely we should rely on modern research and at least state alternative viewpoints to provide a wider knowledge of the subject matter. 2603:8081:7000:1A67:28EC:21D9:A81A:986C (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is is a commendable goal. However please be specific in suggesting specific information (text) along with supporting citations. --Mvqr (talk) 12:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Talaimalai Hills link error

Talaimalai Hills link-links to some region in Algeria.A little error but needs to be changed Vsn789123 (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yeah i submitted another request about this and just saw yours Cyrohdn3 (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can this be fixed? Cyrohdn3 (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Badaga or Baduga

What is the more common or prominent spelling? Theharpguy (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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change Talamalai Hills which links to some unrelated province in Algeria to Thalaimalai Hills, which doesn't have a page yet but is more accurate and does not link to some unrelated region in North Africa Cyrohdn3 (talk) 10:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Consider making a Draft:Thalaimalai Hills article! – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 13:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

badagas have been mentioned in tamil literature

please go on through tamil literature malaipadugatam there the poet mentions about the hospitality and thier love towrds people and culture i again tell you guys to go through that literature lines its recorded since 2nd century badagas lived since before then. its the solid proof provides badagas aare indegenous to nilgris. Praneshjoghee20 (talk) 09:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Badagahistory (talk) 15:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Badaga movements from old Mysore region to current Nilgiris due to Mohammedian invasion, political unrests, etc: Badagas have moved into Nilgiris from various routes. Route 1 of Porangadu Seemey people: Thalamalai to Karamadai to Sirumugai to Dananayakan kottai to Kotagiri ( 7 brothers & 1 sister family) Route 2 of Todanadu Seemey people : Terkanambi to Gundlepet to Anaikatti to Kadanad

                                   Terkanambi to Kalhatti ghats to Kadanad/Solur

Route 3 of Kundah/Ketti people : Terkanambi to Gundlepet to Poosa Kunnur to Ketti to Kundah regions Route 4 of Mekkunadu people : Talamalai to Sirumugai to Melur In Badaga oral traditions, their ancestral places - Tayur, Tagadur, Ummatur, Suttur, etc are invoked. In Badaga ancestral, harvest festivals, ancestors names are invoked along with the ancestral places. History of Badaga can ve well understood by visting the first families of 34 Hakka-Bakka Oorus. All the badaga hatties have origins only from these Hakka-Bakka oorus.

[1] Badagas are the indigenous people of Nilgiris, who have been inhabited in Nilgiris for thousands of years. The Badagas are as Indigenous to The Nilgiris as the English are to Britain by Paul Hockings, American Anthropologist https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/tracking-indian-communities/us-anthropologist-gives-voice-to-badagas-nilgiris-origin-claim/

[2] Hockings, Paul (1980). Ancient Hindu refugees: Badaga social history 1550-1975. New York: Mouton: The Hague. p. 27-28.

[3] Davey, Gareth. Quality of Life and Well-Being in an Indian Ethnic Community: The Case of Badagas. Switzerland: Springer International Publishing. p. 72. ISBN 978-3-319-90662-1.

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