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Date	Process	Result
December 15, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
May 7, 2017	Good article reassessment	Kept

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 24, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that systems scientist Béla H. Bánáthy conceived of a conference where all attendees present papers, and the conference itself is an in-depth, extended conversation between all participants?

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Image

I want to fix the image of Bela, and am unsure how to replace it. Can someone give me some pointers? -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I gave it a try. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 01:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I improved the image some more, and I think it is ok now!? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 14:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The headers in the work section

I wikified the headers in the work section for the second time now to a standard phrase. This is one standard here in the more then 200 Wikipedia articles about systems scientists. I like to keep it this way. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 11:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: is there a MOS for headings? I didn't think the heading as labels (without verbs) successfully communicated his relationship to those organizations. Thanks. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are just two methods here to communicate:

to mention only the theme in the header, like I did (which you called "headers as labels").
to make an abbreviation of the chapter in a short sentence like you did ("with verbs")

Now I used my method in over 1000 related articles. And I think it is just very important to keep one standard. But I don't want to be to rigid. You used your method in the biography section also, which I didn't changed. The standard I use is initially based on the article about Albert Einstein. But over the years I developed a scheme, which in longer articles makes a split in the biography section and the work section. Now the situation here for me is a compromise. I still wonder where you got the idea to add verbs in the first place? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 11:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I was a Technical Writer for many years, which of course is task-oriented documentation, thus requiring a verb. I also prefer the style as I think the verb indicates action, draws the reader in, and makes the topic more engaging. The verb form more directly indicates to the reader what the paragraph is about, requiring them to go through fewer cognitive leaps to understand the content. Thus my preference. But since you've edited so many more of these than I have, I am certainly not dogmatic about one or the other. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further improvement

Hi, Btphelps. Good work here. I guess this article could maybe further be improved by start working towards a Good article nomination. I tried this once a year ago with the Debora Hammond article, but this is quit an other story. The text is much better here, but this doesn't automatically mean it is good enough for the Wikipedia readers. I received a very good review of the Debora Hammond article after I nominated it. And maybe they have some tips for you. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 01:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Béla H. Bánáthy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

This article meets the six Good Article criteria. It is well-written, with good, readable prose (though a few minor grammatical errors and/or typos have been corrected). It is well cited (although the section on 'Systems science' is without source, but the rest is pretty well covered). It covers the topic well, and is sufficiently broad in its coverage -- I can't find any significant things that are missing, although it might be nice to have more information on his recent death,...

There are no WP:NPOV issues, or edit-warring (stability). All images meet tagging requirements. The article can be listed at WP:GA. Dr. Cash (talk) 17:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to review this and your comments. I added info on his final years and death. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One impression when reading for first time...

[1]: the military section was too much about Hungary in general. How about moving some of it to another place and link to it and just focus on Bánáthy ? ----Erkan Yilmaz 11:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've got a point. I struggled to add enough info to provide context for his life vs. making the reader jump elsewhere to make sense of his actions. Much of Hungary's action in WWII is already pretty well covered elsewhere. I'll take another look at though. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am Bèla's Grand daughter and after hearing many of his stories and reading his writings much of this is very accurate and it is nice to see his life documented in such a way. I apperciate the author providing specifics about Hungary. On behalf of my grandfather,thank you all for your efforts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.161.19 (talk) 05:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits of this date

The existence of a purely circular source relationship as the sole citation of the "Large complex systems" subsection of the "Professional life" section led me to tag this article.

That citation, to this nonindependent website, says at its base that it "uses material from the Wikipedia article 'Béla H. Bánáthy'" (more problems on that later). This results in the curious, clearly problematic issue, of that web-page reproducing the footnotes of the wikipedia page, which were to the web-page, so that the web-page cites itself. The four appearances of this problem source were replaced with ^{[citation needed]} tags in the article.

As well, and just as problematic, that section is otherwise unsourced, and the preceding critical section, "Systems science", despite being for a key academic and career period, contains no sources at all.

Finally, it is worth noting that the webpage whose citation was removed for the described conflict states that the Wikipedia article was "written by Brian Phelps", and the website has other pages, e.g., see here, whose authorship and copyright are assigned to this same person, suggesting a relationship between that outside organisation of the article title subject, and the writing of this Wikipedia article (that is, it raises NPOV and COI issues). This suspicion is reinforced by the overly personal and detailed content, and the promotional sense of the writing that pervades this article.

Good luck in sorting this. Tag should remain until a careful look is given the article. (Removal of the tag by any editor with apparent COI will result in referral to an admin.) Cheers, Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The main author of this article appears to have a potential COI that is not disclosed. I am not able to provide specifics of what I was able to find on the web off-wiki in accordance with WP:OUTING, although it is of nature that should merit a discussion. Graywalls (talk) 10:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to be AFK until next week. Just an FYI, I just posted this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Graywalls reported by User:Evrik (Result:_) --evrik ^(talk) 04:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]