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I see that Here Today Gone To Hell has been used as a source for history of W. Axl Rose in GNR and so I have edited the page myself with the information I have from 'Classic Rock, July 2007, Issue 107' which is a more valid source of information on the early days of GNR and not a personal website. If there are any problems please inform me. Renegade MUFC 16:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the citations from HTGTH are from their article archive, which isn't a personal website, but an online archive of valid published articles about the band from the olden days before the Internet. These articles were researched and published in magazines such as SPIN and Rolling Stone, they weren't authored by the HTGTH staff. HTGTH is just giving them an online home.

As to Classic Rock being a more valid source, from what I've seen of them, that's not the case. The information they have on the band there is fundamentally incorrect and based on unfounded rumours and speculation. Any magazine who says that Axl's first performance in LA was at the Whisky with Guns N' Roses, and that GnR didn't play LA until 1987, for instance, just didn't do their homework. Even casual fans know the band was formed in LA, that their first show was at the Troubador in 1985, and that Rose had been in Los Angeles for some time, performing in other groups. There's plenty of outside documentation for all that; there isn't any for the CR claims. DanielEng 13:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

best known as the vocalist of Guns N' Roses???

"Best known"??? What the hell else is he noteworthy for?

Hollywood Rose vocalist, Rapidfire vocalist, L.A. Guns vocalist, appearing on Gilby Clarke's album "Pawnshop Guitars", playing Tommy "The Nightmare" Smith on GTA:SA. Bucketheader 17:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

This article is filled with unsourced information

This article needs a complete re-work. I have removed a ton of claims from the article that have no sources. Before anyone attempts a rewrite I would suggest that you take a look at Wikipedia's guidelines for writing a biography of living persons at WP:BIO. Unsourced negative information must be removed IMMEDIATELY. We cannot use blogs and personal websites as sources for such information. You must use reliable secondary sources to make these claims. Vivaldi (talk) 11:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Stripped?

This article seems to be stripped of a whole lot of information. Nothing on his relationships, some of his feuds, Erins miscarrage, and other notable things. Its only about early life, Look at You Game Girl, and Chinese Democracy.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.223.107.220 (talk) 18:30, 22 March 2007

This article was stripped because this is a biography of living person and as such, as editors, we must be held to a higher standard than other articles. The specific rules you need to read regarding this are found at WP:BLP. Blogs and personal web pages of fans and fan clubs are not acceptable to be used as sources for an encyclopedia article about a living person. If you need to learn what a reliable source is check out WP:RS for more information. I'd love to see this article expanded to include his relationships and other information, but not if it means we resort to using personal webpages of GNR fans as sources for our information. Vivaldi (talk) 06:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Does someone has plans to rewrite it? It basically reads like a Guns N' Roses article filled only with information about the upcoming (or so they say) album, Chinese Democracy. It should be trimmed and just put basic information about his role in the band, and direct to the main article about GNR. Thief12 01:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia integration? Why?

Trivia section is relevent, and should remain.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pro-trivia (talk • contribs) 22:45, 24 March 2007.

I agree that the information in the trivia section is relevant. The problem is that encyclopedias do not include "Trivia" sections in their articles. If the information is important enough to be discussed and it pertains to Axl Rose, then the information ought to be integrated into the article text in appropriate places. One popular place for many trivia items is "Pop culture references". A section titled "Trivia" is non-encyclopedic. Vivaldi (talk) 03:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

i responded on your talk, as you inquired as to why i placed the tag on this page. if the information is relevant, there should not be a problem in the integration. however, if it is interesting (i personally find trivia interesting), but not important, it should go. plz see Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles. the_undertow ^talk 04:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Axl Rose is the name he is notable for

On Wikipedia we use the name that a person is most notable under. In nearly every source that refers to Axl Rose in the media he is referred to as Axl Rose and not "W. Axl Rose". We don't put "Tom Cruise" under "Thomas Mapother" or even "Thomas Cruise", because neither of those names are what he is best known by. I don't mind if you want to mention that Axl Rose's full legal name is "W. Axl Rose", but you'll need to provide a reliable source to make that claim in the article. The first sentence should discuss "Axl Rose", the name he is notable for, and not "W. Axl Rose", which nobody ever calls him in popular culture or otherwise. Vivaldi (talk) 21:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true. And he did change is name to Axl Rose so it is his official name. Course, the W. stands for something but either way, your right, we should reference him as Axl Rose as just Rose. Not everything has to be so formal. And also, why is there a picture of him from 2006? Why not one from 1985, when the band was founded? MaulYoda 00:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

All i think is that the article should BEGIN with W. Axl Rose not be called that or call him that all the way through the article because he is more commonly known as 'Axl Rose'. His name has never been 'Axl Rose'. In 1985, he changed his name to 'W. Axl Rose' the 'W' is not an abbreviation. Bucketheader 09:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

If he did legally change his name, those court documents are public records and should be obtainable. Finding them and citing them would go a long way to putting an end to the edit war. -- Upholder 15:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know anything about America or it's court documents. Can they be easily found on the internet? Bucketheader 16:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Many court documents are available on the Internet and many are not. The first problem you'll have to overcome is discovering what state and what county that the proceeding occurred in. The rules for legally changing ones name vary state by state. Usually it is handled by the local county civil court, but sometimes a Superior Court or probate court may handle the case. I think it would be easier to find a secondary source for this claim rather than the primary court document (if it is in fact true that W. Axl Rose is his legal name, rather than just a name that he sometimes uses in certain circumstances).

I was able to find two legal/court records online, both of which confirm that his legal name is in fact W. Axl Rose. His marriage record, Certificate C199803, is available on the Clark County website, here [1]. The Smoking Gun also has an arrest record for him here [2]. US court and marriage documents do require legal names. DanielEng 13:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

credits and reversion

after reading the imdb source, if you want to mention his credits, it's probably correct to say he is 'most often' credited as w axl rose. looking at the ref, this would be true. the_undertow ^talk 01:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Anagram of "Axl Rose"

Am I the only person to realise that "Axl Rose" is an anagram of "Oral Sex"? Arkyopterix 14:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC) I tried to add it, but they took it off.

No. Bucketheader 14:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Its original research and pretty useless information. And to nitpick you failed to include the "W" in your spelling. The following would be the valid anagrams: "Wears Lox", "Wax Loser", "Relax Sow", "Ax Slower", "Law or Sex" MarsRover 04:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Name

There is no need for a third opinion as there is a reliable source which states his correct name. Maurauth, thanks for your edits, but they are incorrect; his name has never been 'Axl Rose'; he was born 'William Rose', grew up as 'William Bailey' and then changed his name to 'W. Axl Rose'. The 'W.' is not an abbreviation, he chose that because he didn't want to share a name with his father and 'Axl' comes from a pre-Guns N' Roses band he was in called 'A.X.L', please understand this and not start an "edit war" like your, and mine, previous edits have created. This is a well-known fact and there is a source in the article for this. Bucketheader 13:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

That source is just an article written by a random person, there's no official source to prove that he changed his name to W. Axl Rose. If you wanna show a reference by him, or show a credit to him with it, eg. GnR website / CD. Maurauth 14:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

AllMusicGuide is a reliable wikipedia source. And, i have shown you official Guns N' Roses music videos which show his name as ' W. Axl Rose'.Bucketheader 14:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

this is getting ridiculous here. axl's been w. axl rose for ages... i think there are enough references for that out there. let's look at it this way: if his name's officially axl rose (without the w) get a reference for that... please note: i'm not a g 'n' r fan, or an axl fan or anything of the sort. i just know my history. joseph 17:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you'll find many more references calling him 'Axl Rose' than 'W. Axl Rose'. Maurauth 21:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but they won't reference his name as 'Axl Rose', they'll just refer to him as that. You see, anyone who knows anything about Rose, or GN'R, or even rock music for that matter, knows what his name is. Bucketheader 22:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I'll admit I don't know much about the guy, but I know a HELL of a lot about rock music, infact that's one of the things in my life that I know the most about. How can you tell the difference betwen referencing and refering... Maurauth 22:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

What might have happened is that Axl Rose never legally changed his name, but rather, like most Hollywood celebs, just adopted a stage name of "W. Axl Rose" or just "Axl Rose". There isn't any need for him to actually go through a legal proceeding to make this change. This is just as John Mellencamp at one time used to call himself John Cougar. Vivaldi (talk) 08:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Axl himself stated in a Rolling Stone interview (some years ago now) that his name begins with a W. (as opposed to purely Axl). And then there's also the fact that he signs his name "W. Axl Rose"... Iggy Higgins 11:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Guys, go to smokinggun.com, and search for Axl Rose. You'll find his arrest records from when he was arrested in Phoenix in '98. All the legal documents refer to him as W. Axl Rose. If he was still Bill Bailey, he wouldn't have been arrested under a stage name. Barrelofagun69 18:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Barrelofagun69

Okay, it looks like the fued about the "W" has been over for a few months, but I still thought I'd add my two cents. I just went and opened up my Guns N Roses, Appetite for Destruction cassette case, purchased in 1987. In the credits it reads "W. Axl Rose: all lead vocals, backing vocals, synth and percussion." I just wanted to reference this as one of the earliest official publications that state his name even though it may no longer be an issue.

Lojah 22:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox colour

Is there something wrong with my computer, or is there no colour in the infobox when it's supposed to be yellow. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 17:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

its grayish-blue on mine (an apple macbook G5). what kind of computer are you using? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Savagepine (talk • contribs) 02:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Steven section

I deleted the section about Steven Adler's "rivalry" with Axl. There really seems to be no real source for it other than Adler himself (who is not known for being credible), it's all speculation and really seems to be little more than high school type gossip. DanielEng 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The information about Adler's 'rivalry' with Axl came from the Classic Rock July 2007 Issue 2007 and the information was actually taken from the interview with Adrianna Smith, who states she was the one on the 'Rocket Queen' song. Steven simply acknowledged this as being true, so I do not see why it has been removed. Renegade MUFC 14:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I did see the source, but the authors were one of the reasons I did delete the section. My reasons were:

• Unfortunately in his past dealings, Steven Adler has not been the most credible or reliable source. Just because he said something doesn't mean it's true. As for Adrianna Smith, the name has never come up before to be the best of my knowledge, and I've been into the band since 1987 and have read most of their articles. She *is* listed in the AfD acknowledgements, but with no comment(and there are about 300 people in the thank yous, so that doesn't mean much on its own). There has to be an outside source for this information, not just Steven and his friend.

• Credit on the AfD album for RQ goes to Barbi Von Grief, who *does* have a credible link to the band and has been brought up by various members.

• There's really no evidence that there was any sort of 'rivalry' between Axl and Steven. The two weren't competing. Personality conflict? Sure, but Axl's had conflicts with all his band members at certain points, and the entire band had a conflict with Steven, seeing as he was fired. I don't think there is anything here warranting an entire section.

Really long-winded reply I know, but basically, I try not to delete anything without a really good reason. I would say that if there's any way this info were to go back in, it would be better in the Rocket Queen article, and it would really need to be verified by a reliable outside third party, ie, not an anecdote from AS or SA. DanielEng 16:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Barbie Von Grief was indeed the 'Rocket Queen', or at least that is who the song is based upon (Which AS purports to within the article.) - I shall leave the article as it is, seeing as I have no other source to back up what Smith has said - still, the majority of the information on this page could also be classed as dubious, as some of it has never come from the mouth of Axl.

True enough. I'm actually in the process of going through the page as I type this and trying to make sure everything has a reliable reference. The majority of information in the article is just plain wrong. DanielEng 05:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite

I've gone through the article--with the exception of the FEUDS section--and tried to make sure every single point is researched and references. There were a lot of outright inaccuracies in the old article (for instance the section which stated GnR was "brought to LA in 1987"...they were from LA!) and a lot of things that could have been elaborated on.

I haven't deleted much, I've reorganized. Some points:

1. Trivia has been incorporated into the article as much as possible. The only two things I couldn't find a place for were the Estranged and Venezuelan coup things. 2. The band history and Chinese Democracy stuff seemed to just rehash what is already in the Guns N' Roses article, so I thought perhaps it'd be better to direct people there and leave this article to Axl himself.

If there's a problem with the edit, please don't kill me, just let me know. I really tried my best to make this as comprehensive, accurate and NPOV as possible. DanielEng 06:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

My only problem is that the Tommy Hilfiger fued is in with the references, apart from that it seems fine enough - hopefully more information will become clear when Axl's biography is released, but with it being written by Mick Wall perhaps not. What is the Wikipedia ruling on biographies? Are they still not deemed as a reputable source if they are not written by the person themselves?Renegade MUFC 11:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that Hilfiger section.

The only real rule about sources, biographies included, is that they have to be reliable, whether they are autobiographies or by a third person. The Danny Sugerman book that is cited in several GNR articles, for example, is fairly academic, is completely sourced and fact-checked and is written by a neutral third party. The Mick Wall book--written by someone who has already been cited by the GNR camp for printing inaccuracies, who has continued to have a vendetta with Axl in the press over the last year, and who doesn't seem to have any sort of fact-checking in place for recent GNR articles, might not fit that category. DanielEng 20:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

References

One quick question. Why are there two citations for the very first word of the article? -Icewedge 05:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Basically because of the debate over Rose's legal name. There's been a lot of back and forth on the issue--some of it is here on this Talk Page a few sections up--with some claiming that his name is only "Axl Rose" because that's how he's usually referenced, and with others saying the W. is "William" (not just on Wiki, either. I once saw an article in the mainstream media about "William Axl Rose"...eek). The references are there basically to assert that his name actually legally is W. Axl Rose and provide proof and backup for it. That's also the reason there's a citation for the birth name in the next line, because it's frequently mistaken to be "Bill Bailey," the name with which he grew up, but was not originally given. DanielEng 06:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Citation for relationships section

Here's a source for Dan McCafferty's quote.[3] I'd add it myself, but I don't know how to format refs properly. Funeral 16:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--I'll get this into the article. :) DanielEng 16:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate words in the article

The word "shit" appears 3 times and the word "fuck" appears several times in the article. I know that when quoting someone, you are supposed to quote him completely and percisely, but can't these words edited to more appropiate words? There is another way of saying "stay the fuck out of the shit....", even if it's not the exact words used by the man quoted. YemeniteCamel 14:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

No, we can't. See WP:CENSORED. Funeral 15:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Echoing what Funeral said. We don't censor Wiki or edit out words in quotes. As per WP:PROFA, In original Wikipedia content, a profanity should either appear in its full form or not at all; words should never be bowdlerized by replacing letters in the word with dashes, asterisks, or other symbols. DanielEng 18:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold

Please leave a note on my talk page when you're done with this stuff - cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 03:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

*Refs 1 and 2 need full {{cite web}} style formatting *"participating school chorus and studying piano" - Need an "in" before "school"

• "As lead singer for Guns N' Roses, Rose enjoyed tremendous success" - Guns N' Roses was wlinked in the last sentence, no need to do it again
• "The family were of Scots-Irish and German [4] descent." - Ref should be at the end of the sentence, and it should have proper formatting

*"Axl publicly stated that he was sexually abused by his biological father. [3][3][5]" - Refer to him as "Rose", not "Axl". Also you don't need to repeat ref #3. And, there shouldn't be a space between the full stop and the ref. *"Axl's mother remarried when he was a small child." - Again, Rose not Axl

• "Growing up, Rose believed that Bailey was his biological father. [3]" - Remove the space between the ref and full stop
• Ref 11 needs better formatting. Same with 12 and 14. And 17 and 18.

*"Rose as a habitual criminal in his late teenage years. [8]When he was 17" - There should be a space after the ref and not before it

• "Rose eventually adopted the name W. Axl Rose ('Axl' after a band in which he once played), [14] and set out to re-unite with Stradlin" - Fix ref placement there too

*"Once in Los Angeles, Rose began performing with various local bands, including Rapidfire[16], Rose, L.A. Guns[17] and Hollywood Rose." - Put all the refs at the end of the sentence *"for the reported wages of $8/hour. [15]" - Ref placement

• "eventually building a fan following and attracting the attention of several record companies. [18][19]" - Ref placement
• Rose' work as part of Guns N' Roses should be documented in the "Success with Guns N' Roses" section, rather than just using {{main}}. Compare to some of the other band member GAs - the most recent one I can think of is David Lovering.

*"In various reports in the press, he was referred to as the "Howard Hughes of rock" [20] and "rock's greatest recluse." [19]" - Moves ref to end of sentence, ensure no space between full stop and refs.

• "Rose shed more light on his long awaited Chinese Democracy album" - Album title should be in italics
• "The band, now consisting of Rose, Dizzy Reed, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson, Chris Pitman, Richard Fortus, Frank Ferrer and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal" - All the band members should be wlinked here, not just Bumblefoot
• On 6 May, 2006, Rose appeared on the Eddie Trunk radio show and promised that the album would be released sometime in the fall or late fall 2006." - ref?

*Ref 24 needs proper formatting

• "Unlike the other members of Guns N' Roses, Rose was never known for excessive drug use. [25]" - Ref placement
• "I won't allow it." [26] After Guns N' Roses became successful, Rose noted that he had stopped using any sort of hard drugs. [15]" - Ref placement both times

*"$6,000 in fines and was released and the Summer European tour continued as scheduled. [27]" - ...and again

• "he was labeled racist [28] and homophobic, charges he heavily denied." - Move ref to end of sentence, and ensure the ref discusses him heavily denying it...

*"in New York City. [15]" - Ref placement

• "Living Colour frontman Vernon Reid publicly commented on "One in a Million" during his band's set. [19]" - same again
• "he did not understand their way of life. [8]He also pointed" - And again
• "Rose has maintained his friendship with John to the current day [29] and inducted him into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame." - Move ref to end of sentence
• Ref 30 needs formatting

*"(NWA) as using the word in a positive context. [8]" - Placement

• "I didn't want to support racism." [3]" - And again
• "you get to leave."[3]He has" - There needs to be a space after the ref
• Ref 33 needs formatting, 34 too

*Many refs need access dates *"for which he was arrested in 1992. [36] The case eventually" - Placement *"(voted by VH1 as one of the "50 Most Shocking Moments in Rock and Roll")" - Ref?

• "Since Guns N' Roses' return, Rose's on-stage antics have remained much the same as they were 15 years ago..." - Paragraph needs sourcing

*Ref 38 needs formatting, as do 39 and 40 *"and she appeared in the video for the song. [41]" - Fix spacing, and ref's formatting

• "in Las Vegas, [42] albeit" - spacing again, and formatting

*"and that he would kill himself if she did not marry him. [43]" - Spacing

• "The marriage between Everly and Rose was annulled in January 1991. [15]" - Spacing
• "and even caged birds. [43]In 1994" - And again...

*"the suit was eventually settled out of court. [19]" - And again

• "and Rose fell into a deep depression. [19] [37]" - Spacing. Also do you know why they parted ways? *

*"The lawsuits were settled out of court. [43]" - Spacing

• Refs 45 - 49 need formatting

*"the ex-wife of fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger's brother,[47].[48]" - Remove full stop (.)

• "Rose, O'Connor or Volkova. [49]" - Spacing

*"in which Stradlin allegedly harassed and assaulted Neil's wife, Sharise. [50]" - Spacing

• "each singer accused the other of backing out. [50][51]" - And again

*Ref 52 needs formatting...54 too, and 55 *""They totally mess things up and then they sit back and look at what they messed up and then try to figure out how they can fix it, whereas we mess things up and just dwell on it and make it even worse."" - Ref for quote

• "In addition, the two have performed "It's So Easy" live together, [57]" - Ref placement

*Ref 58 needs publisher/author etc... *"but on May 13, 2006" - wlink the date here

• "but it was quickly removed. [61]" - Ref placement

*"and that he had not made any of the statements attributed to him. [62]" - And again

• Ref 64 needs formatting, as does 68

*"The audio of this speech is often referred to as Axl's Blues as the rest of the band play a blues jam as he speaks. [68][69] [70]" - Ref spacing/placement *"In addition, Bon Jovi keyboardist David Bryan publicly criticized Rose and his late arrivals at concerts in another 2006 interview. [73]" - Ref placement

• Most of the interviews section could/should be removed as used as refs instead

Reviewed version: [4]

Good luck, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 03:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for this! I've gone through the easiest edits this evening (spaces and placement); the rest to be done soon. DanielEng (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll be completing the full reference formatting stage I started earlier on today, so we should aim to get everything else done and hope that I can stay focused on formatting (it gets quite boring with so many references and after about 20 or so the wikitext started to make me feel much dizzier than I usually do after I have been staring at the screen for a few hours) and this should breeze through. Spebi 09:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Your help here has been awesome and much appreciated. Thank you! I've just added the Nirvana reference requested and later tonight I'll be tackling the Guns N' Roses section. DanielEng (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good - if you wanna cross them off the list or anything if that makes your life easier, go for it. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

OK...as far as I can see, everything's been addressed. The one point that hasn't been is the one about Stephanie Seymour, but I don't think there's ever been a clear answer as to why they broke up...they were together and then they were not and then they were in court, and not much was said publicly on either side. I'm going to leave this for a few more hours/day so I can look at it again one more time before leaving that note. :) DanielEng (talk) 07:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, that's fine then - I'll pass it now. Perhaps if there were any *really* majorly popular rumours it could be justified to say "many people think it happened because xyz", but again I won't stress that...passing now, nice work. — Dihydrogen Monoxide _(Review) 23:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Super Hard Rock

Doesn't exist, I changed the genre back to Hard Rock in the info box. Also I removed Guitar=Slash from the infobox. This isn't the guns 'n roses artical and even if it was it would be outdated... MarthsBullet (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Anagram

Interesting, no mention of the popular (apparent rumour) that he chose the name Axl Rose because it was an anagram of Oral Sex.

Gemfyre (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This is already covered in the archives. The reason it's not mentioned is because one, it's not even accurate: his full name is W. Axl Rose, which doesn't work with the anagram. Two, it's already mentioned in the article how he chose his name, we have references for that, and it had nothing to do with the anagram. The 'W. Rose' part is his birth name; the 'Axl' is because he apparently didn't know how to spell 'Axel' correctly (there's an article out there about how he was actually very upset when he realized this). The Oral Sex thing is a popular rumor, but it's never been verified as anything more than that, and all the references we have directly contradict it. A lot of people's names probably turn into amusing anagrams if one puts enough effort into figuring them out, that doesn't mean it belongs in their Wiki bios. DanielEng (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"Axel" is a Nordic name popular in Germany and Scandinavia. Dunno why he chose it, maybe because of his Viking looks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by William24Crawley (talk • contribs) 18:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

His name comes from AXL, a band he was in before GN'R. I think it was one of his garage bands from Lafayette but I'm not too sure. His garage band was called Dead Life. Funeral 22:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

unlocked like this page should be

Axl Rose was trying to keep people from editing his Wikipage, that aint ganna happen, we got alot of dirt on you buddy and you are going to be exposed.

Keep this page unlocked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.90.15 (talk) 05:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What? Axl has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia.  :-S Funeral 16:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Its this reason why the page is locked, because people with alleged "dirt" want to sully the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.33.176 (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Please provide evidence of what you say is true, that Axl Rose is trying to keep people from editing the page.--Stripedtiger (talk) 05:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anyone's really taking that IP comment seriously--he put the same remark on the Slash page, IIRC. It's pretty clear that Axl has nothing to do with any of this. The page is locked because it was being vandalized by many IP users on a daily basis, which clearly met the guidelines for protection. DanielEng (talk) 07:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Riots

Is anyone going to add anything on the Vancouver riots? Some guy lost the top half section of his teeth the cops went on a beating spree. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1458577/20021108/guns_n_roses.jhtml --154.5.233.189 (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Axl Rose birth name

The cited source seems a bit ambiguous about his birth name: "I wasn't told I had a real father until I was seventeen. My real father was my stepdad, as far as I knew. But I found some insurance papers, and then I found my mom's diploma, with the last name Rose. So I was never born Bill Bailey. I was born William Rose. I am W. Rose because William was an asshole." It is hard to tell from this whether he didn't consider himself William Bailey or whether his birth certificate actually said "Rose". Anyone have a more definitive citation? - TheDaveRoss (talk) 03:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fairly clear--he said I was never born Willian Bailey. It's also backed up in the Danny Sugerman book and the GQ article cited in the article that Rose was his birth name. Also, since his mother didn't marry Stephen Bailey until he was about three (which is also mentioned in the RS article) and it's been cited many times that Bailey was his stepfather, there's no logical way he could have been born with the name Bailey or had that on his birth certificate originally. DanielEng (talk) 15:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

He clearly didn't like his abusive step dad right off the bat because Bailey was abusive towards him, his mom and his step brother and sister. Rose was wondering why Sharon, his mom, hasn't divorced Bailey long time ago. But when he found out that William Bruce Rose Sr. was his biological dad, he rebelled in earnest against his upbringing, including the strict religious education and he started having trouble with the law. Eventually, he left Indiana bitter against the Midwest and didn't want to have anything to do with either one of his parents, let alone his step dad. So he changed his name back to "Rose", but since he hated his biological father as well, he adopted "W." rather than "William". "AXL" is after one of his early bands, I was told. —Preceding unsigned comment added by William24Crawley (talk • contribs) 18:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Guitar

Is there any reference that Axl plays guitar? --190.43.189.218 (talk) 02:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

He's officially credited as doing so on the Use Your Illusion albums, and can be seen playing in the "Dead Horse" video (up on YouTube). More recently he's played guitar onstage at Rock In Rio in 2001. DanielEng (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

A little piece of trivia that I think should be added. In the television series, Meerkat Manor, two Meerkats are named after him. One named Axel, the other Rose. Is this worthyu enough to be mentioned? Ledgo (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. Trivia sections are discouraged from Wikipedia (see WP:TRIVIA).

Second Baritone ?????????????????//

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A50sJU3UJVE Not only he is a baritone, but a bass-baritone. 189.83.113.119 (talk) 19:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Axl Rose is a fuckin tenor.I'm a baritone and i high one i can say and i can't even reach some roses songs not because i'm not trained but because i was born like that.So don't write something because someone told it to show that he is not just the hard rock singer.Baritones can't sing high b's in full voice only a few can and those one's are ten times better vocalists than Axl Rose.

Please be civil when posting comments.

As per the citations given in the article, Rose is a second baritone, and has stated that himself. How your voice compares to his, or your personal assessment of his voice and talent, is of no consequence. Unless you have reliable references which can provide solid proof that the three given in the article are wrong please refrain from deleting and changing information in the future.DanielEng (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Like many successful singers Axl has a baritone voice and a strong head voice, and he usually uses one or the other (e.g. listen to the beginning and the end of of "Nightrain" -- he doesn't mix them). I'd classify him as a baritone because his head voice isn't particularly high quality, although it works for the style of music he sings. He's probably more comfortable singing in chest voice! 82.32.74.253 (talk) 22:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

--poppunk rocks (talk) 12:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Guys please i don't want to cry.Axl Rose is a tenor 100%.My music teacher sings 30 years in opera and he can't sing high b notes.Axl Rose hits them with ease on full voice. --poppunk rocks (talk) 12:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)Αcording to the wikipedia article on baritones a baritone is capable of singing from low f to high g notes.Although this can be extended at either end only verdi baritones can hit those high b notes full voiced.So Axl Rose must be either a tenor or Verdi baritone and Verdi he is not.

Once again: WP:PROVEIT. Wiki really doesn't care about what your voice teacher can do or your personal assessment of Rose's voice, and neither count as a reliable source. If you can find reliable sources that contradict what is in the article, feel free to share them here. Otherwise, please stop changing the data. The sources we have--several of them, including Rose's own words--cite him as a second baritone.DanielEng (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

--85.74.224.233 (talk) 10:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)I said about the WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE.Is it wrong too?

Vocal classification, to the weak extent it can be applied to rock music, is about tessitura, not range. Just because Axl can hit tenor notes, doesn't mean that's his most comfortable voice to sing in. 77.101.46.138 (talk) 12:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree about Axl Rose being a "Tenor". It is more credible in my opinion that Axl is a tenor with a remarkable range, rather than a very very gifted Baritone. I'm not saying he isn't a skillful singer, but a Baritone singing that high for so many years?? Surely, some of you haven't heard of Robert Plant.

The "voice type" field in the musical artist infobox template is intended for classical vocalists. This position is supported by Voice type and Voice classification in non-classical music. In the rare instance when a reliable source exists to support a voice type for a non-classical vocalist (i.e. Maria Carey) the source must be provided for inclusion in the infobox. I will revert the entry in this field for this page, if you disagree please comment at the talk page for the musical artist infobox. The above comments and the information in the infobox may be true but is not verifiable. J04n(talk page) 12:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

In the book "reckless roads" it is said, that before Axl started singing with his "trademark voice" his normal singing voice was baritone... he really has an incredible vocal range, and it can really be heard on the new album... on "Shackler's Revenge" he sings the verse in bass, and in "street of dreams" he sings a part of the song in falsetto... CHECK OUT THE VIDEO AT THE TOP--Arneandre (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Biased pages?

I find that pages about one or the other character tend to be pretty biased in favour of the character the article is about. I.e. in an article about Pamela Anderson, her divorce from Tommy Lee is depicted as a result of "gross abuse" and the one about Tommy Lee is the other way around -- and I saw it again in this article when it comes to Rose's feud with Vince Neil. Maybe something could be done to straighten this problem out? I know this is a minor talk page to cite such a great problem in; but we've got to start somewhere! -After all, being biased isn't exactly very encyclopedic... Nizingur (talk) 17:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Nizingur

I don't know anything about what happens on the Tommy Lee page, but on this page, everything is backed up with reliable sources, which can be checked by clicking on the footnotes. In the case of the feud between Rose and Neil, care has been taken to keep the text as neutral as possible: in The Dirt, Neil claims that Rose backed out of the scheduled fistfight; materials from the Guns N' Roses camp claim the opposite, that Neil backed out. Who is telling the truth? We don't know. The only thing we know for certain is that Rose and Neil never actually hooked up and had their duel. The text reflects this: saying "both sides accused the other of backing out" is about as neutral as one can get. It sides with neither Neil nor Rose's version of events.

In terms of the original punch itself, we do know that it happened, and that it happened just as it is written in the article. Neil takes full responsibility for it in The Dirt--he very clearly states that he hit Izzy at the VMA, and gives details about the incident. There were also other witnesses to the assault, since it happened backstage at the VMAs, and it was reported in various mainstream media outlets. However, the assault against Sharise Neil is only "alleged" because a) there aren't any witnesses who have come forward; b) Neither Sharise Neil nor Stradlin have ever said anything publicly about it; c) Stradlin was never charged with any sort of crime. We can't write that Stradlin definitely did anything to Sharise because there simply aren't any reliable sources for it. Neil's punch can be verified; Stradlin's cannot.

If you have specific problems with something in an article, the first thing to do is a) check the sources given in the footnotes to see if it can be verified; b) ask for a source, if none is given; c) talk about it on the Talk Page, just as you have done here. DanielEng (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Axl on immigrants?

Considering the controversy of the song "One in a million," shouldn't Axl's attack on immigrants who "come to our country" and "spread some f**kin disease" etc. be included? 75.7.28.219 (talk) 17:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

See [5] and here. [6] It's fully covered. The outcry wasn't so much about the immigrant lyric but about the other slurs in the song. DanielEng (talk) 20:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hollywood Rose

the article said that he was part of LA buns, but he was actually the frontman for Hollywood Rose, which merged with LA buns, didnt it? cuz then tracii buns left? some help here would be appreciated. (info from slashs book)99.251.217.54 (talk) 22:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Tenor

He's a tenor.--141.209.214.34 (talk) 05:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The Infamous Anagram Conundrum

I was just reading the article when I remembered something I've heard years ago. This being the fact that 'Axl Rose' is an anagram of 'Oral Sex'. I highly doubt that this was intentional, but it is fun to point out. I also highly doubt that it would be article worthy, as it could be seen as mean or unnecessary. What I am wondering however is this: "If the name was intentional, and somehow, somebody got a reference that it was true, would it be notable to mention on the article." Now, I haven't read the whole article myself, so I don't know if it might be hinted somewhere there already. All in all, I just want to find an answer to this: "If a reference were found, and held true, that a certain aspect of a person or place were somehow negative, would it be Wikipedia worthy?" I think that, no, it shouldn't be, but I know others who may think the other way. I'm not trying to settle some form of dispute here, as there is none. I merely wish to find the answer from other Wikipedians. Any comment or view would be greatly appreciated.

-Peace Out!-

mÆniac ^Ask! 22:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The anagram thing is just pure urban myth (an interesting one, though!) He named himself Axl after he briefly played in a band of the same name, you can check that out in the article. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 05:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting - even when citing a source you can't rely on people who edit these pages. When discussing the Montreal riot after the GNR concert it says that Axl left the stage after 50 minutes and then cites a source - the source says he left after 15 minutes. Incidentally, despite the quote - no refunds were offered to fans.

November 23, 2008 is the Sunday prior to Thanksgiving Day

Hello, in the paragraph below, it should read that the release date for the album is the Sunday prior to Thanksgiving Day, if, in fact, the release date is November 23, 2008.

On October 22, 2008, a new release date was officially announced for Chinese Democracy: November 23, 2008 (the Sunday after Thanksgiving Day). The album will be exclusively released through North America's largest chain of electronics stores, Best Buy.

Thanks.

Smithtodda (talk) 21:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Axl wants GNR reuinion?

Didn't Axl state that he wnated to get the AFD lineup back together on december 4th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.198.113.60 (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be wonderful. However, nobody currently knows where Axl is Zazaban (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he denied that on december 13th Casino321 (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Disappearance

Is it true that Axl Rose has been missing for over a month? If so, it would be worth mentioning in the article, and adding him to Category:Disappeared People Zazaban (talk) 03:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

For everyone holding out on hope

According to his new interview with Billboard, Axl pretty much says the Grim Reaper will have to collect either him or Slash first before there's any reunion between the two. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Then I guess then they can kiss the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame out the door. (Trentc (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC))

Singing In Church

Hey, I don't know if anyone cares enough, but... My mother-in-law is Steve Bailey's sister (Axl Roses' Aunt), she said that half of the bio. info is terribly inaccurate. She mentioned specifically that Bill never sang at their church. You should take everything Bill says with a grain of salt, he has never been known for his great honesty. Just for the record :-P On a totally separate note, by wife and I have some excellent personal photos from his childhood and also later if they could be of any use, not sure. Like old school photos and junk. Or if someone wants to buy them, they are certainly for sale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.45.203 (talk) 07:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Great idea man, if your telling the truth, that is. Mcjm4796 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Whistling Style

When you talk of Rose, you can not leave out the influences of one Andrew Gallagher. On a vacation to the greater Chicago area in the mid 70s, young William befriended Andrew. Andrew, a renown whistler from the now defunked Gallagher/Hodges SnapWhistle duo, taught William these skills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.197.19.244 (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Genoan Gigolo?

It says that axl believed his father was a genoan gigolo. I looked that up at the source and it was true. In an interview he said he believed his father was a genoan gigolo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.102.123 (talk) 11:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Picture

that picture just doesnt say "Axl" to me :( i think we should change it to the once used in the booklet for Chinese Democracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocknroll47 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Attempted correction to introduction

Just noticed that the article as it was contradicted itself on the matter of Axl's birth name. The header paragraph claimed he was born William Bruce Bailey Jr. (the Jr. part didn't even make sense because his step-father was Stephen Bailey, not William) but the first paragraph of the Biography section states that he was born William Bruce Rose. To my knowledge the 2nd version is correct, and the article linked to as a reference in the header actually seems to substantiate this, so I've edited the first paragraph to hopefully clarify the situation, however I'm not entirely sure of the clarity of the wording so if anyone would like to clean it up a little it would be appreciated. Danikat (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

ATTENTION ------ NAME

It makes no sence that it says in the article that Axl was born with the last-name from a man his mother meets 2 years after axls birth... someone please correct this... thank you...

Please sign your posts, and can anyone read the next section please. Mcjm4796 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Where does it say that? I thought every instance of the name confusion had been sorted out. Danikat (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you help?

I'm wondering if someone can censor the swear words in the quotes on this page and in other Guns 'N' Roses articles, not get rid of them, just diguise them, with these..... *********.... could you do that please, I'm sure it will make many people happy, you don't have to, I just think it would be nice if the swear words were covered up. Mcjm4796 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not a matter of whether we want to or not, according to Wikipedia policy (specifcally WP:CENSORED) we're not allowed to censor material simply for being offensive to some people.

If you believe a quote has been added for no other reason than to add swear words to the article then you could replace it with an alternative that says the same thing but doesn't include swearing. But if you're thinking of anything in the section on One In A Million then you're probably out of luck. Trying to explain the controversy caused by that song without using the words in question would be almost impossible and almost certinally get reverted because it'd actually lead to a less informative article. Danikat (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism or Bias?

It says that Rose (in the intro) wants to destroy GNR while furthering his solo career. sounds pretty POV to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.125.86 (talk) 05:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Removed it. ӣicҟin\\talk with me\\\\\\\\\\ 05:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

New image needed

We need a new one as the as the previous was deleted from commons. The Infobox is looking very plain at the moment. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 21:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

i found this http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vaqCjVyoA_c/SzE-z8iF4AI/AAAAAAAADIs/Os7OgMsUHLw/s400/awdc9h.jpg i would put it in but sadly i don't know how. can someone do it for me?Rocknroll47 (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

We cannot just add any image to Wikipedia articles due to issues with copyright, see Wikipedia:Images#Obtaining_images. If it's a free use image feel free to upload it to commons however. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 19:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Axl's Name

His name is W. Axl Rose, he had it legally changed, stop changing it back to William Bruce Rose better known by his stage name Axl Rose. "Rose legally changed his name to "W. Axl Rose" in 1986" - Taken from the article, now stop changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.58.57.10 (talk) 20:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

What's with the Bruce thing anyway? I was a huge GNR fan first time around and I can't recall "Bruce" ever being part of any of his names? It's currently in the article but as I don't actually know I'm not going to change it. Jules (talk) 15:06, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The anagram (again)

Various people wittering on above about why the "oral sex" anagram shouldn't be mentioned, but very clearly it should. Why? Well, many people are under the impression that the anagram was deliberate, and influenced his choice of name. If there is no evidence that it was deliberate, and it is believed by those who know about these things to have been accidental, then this needs to be explicitly mentioned. At the moment, far from learning anything informative on this topic, one is simply left wondering why the issue isn't mentioned. Is it an oversight? Was it improperly censored? 86.140.131.117 (talk) 12:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC).

What is your name so we can come up with some funny anagrams for you? Otherwise I think its highly irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant, simply because it is so often commented on. 86.152.242.191 (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC). -- Oh, "notable" is, I've just remembered, the word liked a lot here. It's relevant because it's notable.

The fact that he changed his name to that of an anagram for "Oral sex" may be intentional or purely coincidental, but either way it shouldn't be included unless it can be reliably sourced and as of yet I still haven't managed to find any reliable sources that say he intentionally picked this name because of it being an anagram. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 15:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

My understanding (possibly misunderstanding?) was that people here agreed it wasn't intentional, and were arguing that it shouldn't be mentioned because it wasn't intentional. That is what I disagree with. Because so many people wonder if it's intentional, or believe it might be intentional, then if we have information that it wasn't intentional, that fact should very definitely be mentioned. However, if we have no information either way then I agree it's hard to know what to say. 81.129.130.151 (talk) 02:18, 13 April 2010 (UTC).

I wasn't around when that discussion took place... "If in doubt leave it out"? We'd probably be better off not mentioning it IMO, I doubt any reliable publications would have published this information anywhere anyway. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hair?

Something should be added about Axl's hair loss. He got a bad hair transplant that basically turned his head into a mass of scars and skin. So now he wears a cheap-looking toupe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyro When (talk • contribs) 11:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you got sources for this? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 13:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Possible weasel?

"Following this, in a surprising move, Rose performed "November Rain" with Elton John"... surprising whom? If it's related to the previous sentence (which I think it is), then this should be worded slightly differently. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 09:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

"Since Chinese democracy tour "controversy paragraph removed

as this was negative unsourced material on a living person bio. Such material must be sourced from verifiable information from a reliable 3rd party source with a reputation for fact checking. Dlohcierekim 13:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Needs a main picture

For such a detailed article, on a musical legend, I think it is very important that a main picture for the article is added. I am unsure as to how you make a picture viable for upload on Wikipedia due to the copyright rules etc. Could someone please do this? Dylan (talk) 17:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, here are a couple of ideas.

• go to Commons, find http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Axl_Rose , there are a few pics of him there, 'get' tne placed in the article
• find a free-use/non copyright-infringing photograph of Axl Rose elsewhere on the Internet and upload your choice to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:First_steps/Reuse#Embedding_Commons.27_media_in_Wikimedia_projects (& then use it in the article).

For more information take a look at WP:Images. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 18:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

St. Louis Riot

The riot was actually July 22, 1991, at an outdoor venue (not an arena) near (not in) St. Louis. Can't edit since this is locked.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=59

Bbison (talk) 22:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the 'Here Today Gone to Hell' citation is a transcription of an article from 'Musician' magazine and it turns out they have gotten the date wrong. The concert was on July 2nd not July 22nd. (See the new citation from the July 4th 1991 edition of the New York Times.) Shearonink (talk) 01:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

name

Been on the album pages in order to list his credit as it was on the records - at least on the records I've got - which was 'W. Axl Rose' and not merely 'Axl Rose'. IMO the title for this page should also be 'W. Axl Rose' with 'Axl Rose' redirecting here, since that is his full name by deed poll. I know he's referred to in the media simply as 'Axl Rose' but 'W. Axl Rose' is his full correct name and thus should be put on here. However as the page is semi-protected I cannot do this. 94.194.13.221 (talk) 13:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

If the media refers to him as "Axl Rose" then the title is correct (see WP:COMMONNAME). --MarsRover (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Band

I don't even have a band, but I am sure my band is better than yours. Especially since you dumped Stevey. Yes I am attempting to create a fued with Axl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.20.3 (talk) 00:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Re-write

This article is oddly structured. First, the main section is titled "Biography", but then there's also a separate "Personal life" section—how is that not a part of his biography?

Second, the "Controversy" section gives undue weight to negative aspects of his life and career. It also creates an imbalanced view, since the preceding "Biography" section is now all-positive, with all the negative content having been extracted and placed in its own section. It also ruins the chronology of events (but maybe that's my personal hang-up).

I propose merging the content of "Controversy" into "Biography". His drug use (or lack thereof) in no way requires its own section and should be integrated into "Personal life". "Events surrounding Chinese Democracy" should be integrated into the section that actually discusses the release of ChiDem, "Hiatus, touring, and Chinese Democracy (1995–present)". With a little work, "'One in a Million'" and "Riots, rants, and legal troubles" can be seamlessly integrated into "Success with Guns N' Roses (1985–1994)". Please voice your objections to my proposal. If I don't hear any, I'll get started on the change in a couple of days.

Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 11:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC).

Done. Compare old with new.

• The "Controversy" section is gone:
  • "Drug use" -> now part of a "Health issues" subsection of "Personal life".
  • "Riots, rants, and legal troubles" -> the St. Louis and Montreal riots are integrated in "1987-1993", as are the 1988 Donington deaths and the related topic of his tendency to communicate with unruly fans from the stage. The Vancouver riot has been integrated into "1994-present". The paragraphs on "problems" at more recent concerts (Download 2006, Newcastle 2006, Dublin 2010) have been removed for being trivial—the band plays a show, things get a little tense, they continue playing, the end. Unless there's a riot going on or people are dying, it's not notable. The 2010 Guitar Hero lawsuit belongs in the article on that game, not here.
  • "Events surrounding Chinese Democracy" -> integrated into "1994-present". The 2009 copyright infringement lawsuit belongs in the article on ChiDem, not here.

• The "Work outside of music" section is also gone -> the Grand Theft Auto voice role has been integrated into "1994-present" since it's the only non-lawsuit-related thing he did between 2002 and 2006. The minor The Dead Pool cameo has been removed since it's not part of a bigger oeuvre and not particularly notable by itself. Idem the May 2009 announcement of his supposed upcoming production of the Coming Home novel——it can be re-added when/if it actually gets made.

Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 13:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 January 2012

Why does it say Axl Rose was born an idiot and mention he's an idiot more than once in this Wikipedia entry?

Tazthepom (talk) 16:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Because somebody thought it would be funny to vandalise the page. I've fixed it now, thank you very much for pointing it out--Jac16888 ^Talk 17:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Instruments

Axl Rose is clearly credited for playing guitar on the song "Dead Horse." I placed it under the instruments tab. Also, in 'Slash,' by Slash, he states that the orchestra in 'November Rain' and the trumpets and other effects in 'Live and Let Die,' were all synthesizers, played by Axl Rose. This is an electronic instrument, and I added it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runswithpotatos (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 11:05, 12 July 2009

Death?

I'm gonna feel extremely stupid if this is actually false, but, is this a reliable source? http://msnbc.website/axl-rose-found-dead-hollywood-home.html --Matt723star (talk) 07:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Fake, but don't feel bad. msnbc.website isn't the legit site but a lookalike. -- Fuzheado | Talk 15:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, take a look at the URL. The real MSNBC's website is: http://www.msnbc.com Shearonink (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)