Talk:Armando Manzanero

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Somos Novios Plagiarism Case

The passive voice in this sentence has gotta go: "...who was accused of plagiarism and forced to return all the royalties he gained from 'It's Impossible.'"

Somenone had to be the opposite party in that case, which in turn has to be a matter of public record somewhere. A quick Internet search, of "Armando Manzanero" and "plagiarism," has turned up little about the issue beyond reprints of this Wikipedia article. I'll pursue more on this when and if I have time (e.g. do a detailed translation of the citation in the footnote that's in Spanish)...

This passage too ... please: "This was a great blow for Manzanero, who had composed the song 'Somos Novios' twenty years before and who was himself the victim of plagiarism by a composer (not Sid Wayne). Today, it's acknowledged that Manzanero was indeed the composer of this song and that he was wrongfully accused."

One site, which evidently still has an earlier version of this article posted, says that the plagiarist was "the opposite party" in the case. I'd bet ten dollars to a donut that it was Wayne's record company that brought the suit, perhaps against Wayne's will (or merely the "better angels" of his nature?) -- all pure speculation, of course. Who knows? Nevertheless, this thing smells of some kind of cover-up to me.

IMHCO, what is in the public record on this matter ought to be presented here in a NPOV manner. Whatever embarrassment the truth might cause the music/legal world. Yes, even if it turns out that this was a bald-faced ripoff of a Mexican composer which has never been corrected.

Or should I say "especially if"...??? ô¿ô 15:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am deleting the statement, "Today, it's acknowledged that Manzanero was indeed the composer of this song and that he was wrongfully accused....", along with a Spanish-language quote from a supporting statement that Wilbert Alonzo Cabrera, supposedly a founder of the Association of Entertainment Critics (ACE) of New York, is alleged to have made in 2006. First, to my great frustration, my brief web search did not turn up that statement. More seriously, the History page (in English) on the ACE website does not list Alonzo Cabrera among ACE's founding members. A more detailed history in Spanish, Entidad con Historia, by Carlos Velázquez (Galos Publishing), is advertised on the ACE web site, with a phone number to call for information about obtaining it. (I'm interested, just for the purpose of this investigation, but am not rich enough to actually get it, if it costs money.)

So, I think at this point we have nothing. I hate to delete information favorable to Manzanero (who may have been the victim of a great injustice) from this article and the Sid Wayne one, but all we have is a court decision that went against him, and a widely disseminated (on a lot of web sites that probably got it from us) but completely unsourced opinion that the decision was unfair. Peter Chastain (talk) 06:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I was who first found that information on the internet and edited the spanish wikipedia article with it (later translated unto the english wikipedia). That was four years ago and now the article has been completely re-written (in a very lousy manner) by countless editors. I don't have the time nor volition to rewrite it. One thing's for sure: Mr. Manzanero did write that song ages ago, definitely before the english version. Anyone who knows anything about latinamerican music would acknowledge this, as it's extremely well known. (I'll discuss this matter further later, I'm busy atm)Rosa 19:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Birth date 7 February 1935

According to the Yucatan state archive birth registry records, Armando Manzanero was born on 7 February 1935, not on 7 December. --Aloist (talk) 11:57, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can't use that per WP:BLPPRIMARY, and the reliable sources I can find all say 7 December. GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Diario says he was born in Mérida, not Ticul, on 7 December 1934, not 1935. [1] GA-RT-22 (talk) 13:58, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jaranera

The Diario says Manzanero's mother was a "jaranera". So did she play the Jarana jarocha or the Jarana huasteca? GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]