Talk:Anna Milder-Hauptmann

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Nationality

What was her nationality? She was born in Turkey, but was her parents Turkish citizens? What was her husband? Did she take his citizenship upon marriage? This would help with the categorization.--Aciram (talk) 11:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I tink any attempt to assign a nationality is pointless for almost all persons before the concept of nation states took hold. The concept of "cictizenship" did not exist.

Read Milder's biography and tell me whether she should be classified as Turkish, Ottoman, Austrian, German, Prussian? It doesn't make sense.

Even those soft categories like People from Istanbul or People from Berlin don't have much meaning in this case. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If her father was Austrian, then she may be categorized as an Austrian. If her husband was Austrian, then she may be categorized as an Austrian. This is merely a practical aspect of categorisation. That is why we have "18th-century Austrian people", etc: even if it may not deal with juridical citizenship, it is simply practical. Can you answer the question above? Was her husband Austrian? --Aciram (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The practicality is that those categories are not applicable. Having spent the last 23 years of her life outside Austria, she probably called herself a German, which what much of the literature calls her, particularly because her singing style was so much suited to "German" opera. The German Wikipedia also calls her that. (And she was from the 19th centurey.)

The most specific description of her husband is as a "Vienna jeweller"; the unhappiness of the marriage is also well documented. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but that sounded rude. The practicality is that those categories are usefull. If you which to search for people living in 19th century Austria, than those categories are much more usefull and less timeconsuming than it would have been searching through categories "Austrian people". If you which to find an example of a 19th century Austrian opera singer, than this category will save you time. Whether the juridical side of the matter was different from what it is today is not important for the categorisation: people where still refferred to as "French", "German" and so forth. I trust everyone can agree on this. If most literary call her German, then she can be categorized as a German. If she was married to an Austrian, than she would have been considered an Austrian in a legal sence whether the marriage was unhappy or not. However, as I sence that your attitude is somewhat hostile, I will leave this discussion, and which you a very good day. --Aciram (talk) 14:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have introduced Category:German opera singers and Category:19th-century German people to the article, as per categorisation on German wp and this discussion. The category Opera singers are to big to be easily accessible: all articles should be given smaller categories, which makes them more accessible. I advise you to be more neutral and less hostile in conflicts on wikipedia, however. --Aciram (talk) 14:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Milder spoke a very austrian-sounded german, she should be called an austrian Soprano. And please (!!!) be so kind to change the entry to Anna Milder-Hauptmann, that was her really used name. Wilhelmine Bayreuth (talk) 12:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Milder's father Felix Milder was Austrian (stationed as Kabinettskurier in Konstantinopel) and her husband Peter Hauptmann was Austrian. What's all the fuss about?--80.121.83.89 (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Father

"was employed by the Austrian ambassador Baron Herbert von Rathkeal as pastry chef"

This is massive hogwash.--178.190.66.141 (talk) 19:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Her biographies invariably mention her father as "Konditor" and "Dolmetscher". The article is somewhat deficient in this regard. Which description do you suggest? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:50, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]