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==Proposed Merger==

As noted in this article, there is no difference between a pinfold and a village pound, and thus no reason for these articles to be separate. Axeman89 (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Parent article should be Pinfold with Pound (village) and Animal pound both redirected to the parent.--palmiped | Talk 20:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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==Proposed Merger==

As noted in the village pound article, there is no difference between a pinfold and a village pound, and thus no reason for these articles to be separate. Axeman89 (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a reasonable suggestion for a merger. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 18:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

==Pounds in America==

Perhaps unsurprisingly, pounds aren't solely a British phenomenon. Many towns in formerly-British New England still have surviving (though non-operational) town pounds where stray livestock were formerly impounded. Examples from several New England states can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/groups/nh/discuss/72157600351514773/ , http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevystew/4144709806/ , and http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevystew/3571004545/ , for example. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 14:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I propose that Pound (village) is moved and merged into this article, as pounds were not just in villages, and they were in existence long after the middle ages. -- PBS (talk) 16:11, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no strong feelings as long as the two duplicating articles get merged (Pound (village) is not one of WP's finest, and totally unsourced). Pinfold probably needs merged too, or the distinction clarified. When the dust settles, make sure that Pound is updated (there was no link to Animal pound, but there is now). PamD 16:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also they were (are?) not just an English institution, there were animal pounds in other places see the reference on this stub and this section Talk:Pound (village)#Pounds in America -- PBS (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And probably every country where animals graze! I wonder if the modern version "Car pound" needs a mention somewhere, as it's quite analogous - somewhere that errant cars/cows are taken and can only be released for a fee. See this to verify usage. PamD 16:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A merge is probably overdue, but I strongly disagree that the parent article should be Animal pound. In my many years I have heard them referred to as 'the pound', 'the village pound' or 'the pinfold' ... but never once the animal pound. My feeling is that the parent article in this case should be Pinfold with Pound (village) and Animal pound both redirected to the parent.21st CENTURY [[User talk:| GREENSTUFF]] 19:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 21stCenturyGreenstuff parent article should be Pinfold --palmiped | Talk 20:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Media related to pounds and pinfolds at Wikimedia Commons, it seems to me that they are regional names for this type of enclosure (north of Birmingham predominately pinfold and south of Birmingham pound). If this was the only thing to consider then it would be a toss up between the names. However I am not sure when if ever English legislation used the term pinfold, for example in the Protection of Animals Act 1911 the term used is pound.

Both the source for this article supported by the flicker images mentioned on the talk page of Pound (village) indicate that pounds were also used in America. Here are two acts of state parliaments in Australia: Pounds Act 1890 in Victoria, and the Impounding Act 1993 in New South Wales, also The cattle-trespass act, 1871 of India and Fences and Impounding of Animals Act, (revised 1989) of Nova Scotia, Canada. All these acts describe the enclosures as "pounds" not "pinfolds".

Is there any evidence that pinfold was used anywhere outside of the North of England? If not then I think we should use the term "pound" for this combined article. As the name pound needs to be disambiguated, we can either use a natural disambiguation such as "animal pound" or we can go for bracket solution such as "pound (animal)", "pound (stock)" etc. I prefer the natural disambiguation solution. BTW The reason pounds fell into disuse in England was that an act was passed saying that any suitable enclosure could be used to impound a stray animal, so the need for dedicated pounds for stock ended and with them the cost to the parish of maintaining them (I saw a copy of the legislation on the net but did not recoded its name). -- PBS (talk) 09:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone anything to add to this conversation or can I go ahead and mergethe other two articles into this one.? My intention is to delete this article, move the article with the oldest history -- Pinfold (history for Pinfold, history for Pound (village) ) -- to this page and then cut and past the other article--Pound (village)-- into it, and then add a new lead to the combined article. After that is done we can then discuss which is the most appropriate name to use if anyone thinks that Animal pound is not the best name. -- PBS (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the end I did the merge in the same way as any other editor could do it (without using admin privileges to merge histories). adding to the history of all three articles the information that this has been done to meet copyright requrirements. As always this is a work in progress and much more needs to be done before this article is anyway near the quality of a good article. -- PBS (talk) 12:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Animal Pound In Columbiana Alabama

picks up stray animals and holds them until somebody comes and gets them 2600:6C58:587F:9B06:C806:23EE:C9AE:A128 (talk) 07:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]