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Dual-citizenship appropriate to mention in intro?

My take: Dual citizenship is adequately addressed in the sidebar and (at length) later on. The actors previously mentioned by another editor as Canadian American in their intro (Trebek & Fox) were born/raised in Canada and worked in the US, establishing the context for the importance of raising the dual identity in the intro. More relevantly, we have two recent precedents of major Canadian political party leaders of dual-citizenship gained through a parent: Stephane Dion & Tom Mulcair. No "Canadian French politician" in their intros, but mentioned elsewhere. The fact that we have a third now, from a different party from each of the others, makes it seem like mentioning the dual-citizenship in the intro now might not be fair when other party leaders are introduced as "Canadian" right away and their secondary citizenship (also gained through a parent, not by living/working there personally) is mentioned elsewhere. Cavernousknoll (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I ping the two editors who earlier inserted "American" in the first sentence (Mennowiki and Kek-9) to remind them: BLP policy says don't re-insert without seeking consensus. Similar matters have been discussed in the past, e.g. in Nationality and the wording of OPENPARA. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:15, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if it changes anything, but he now says despite his earlier statements, he no longer intends to renounce his American citizenship.^[1] Unless something changes, he is going to remain an American citizen.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Zimonjic, Peter (May 19, 2020). "Scheer says he won't renounce U.S. citizenship because he won't be prime minister". CBC News. Retrieved May 19, 2020.

First permanent Conservative leader not to become PM

Please include this -

Scheer will become the first permanent leader of the current Conservative Party not to become Prime Minister.114.74.89.165 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: - please provide a reliable source that states this, and indicates how it's relevant. As there have only been two permanent leaders of the post-merger Conservatives it hardly seems important. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:44, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose including this trivial detail. For a party with only two permanent leaders, this is not an encyclopedic detail. Perhaps later, but perhaps WP:TOOSOON applies here. Doug Mehus T·C 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-scheer-ranks-1.5394087

"Scheer will be the first leader of an undivided Conservative party to never become prime minister since Stanfield, who resigned in 1976."

How about this: "Scheer will become the first permanent leader of an undivided Conservative party who did not become prime minister Robert Stanfield and the first under the current Conservative Party of Canada banner." 114.74.89.165 (talk) 14:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per rationale above. Doug Mehus T·C 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No longer party leader. Now party 'interim' leader

According to sources, he resigned on December 12 effective immediately as leader of the party. Shortly after, the party caucus (who had to name an interim leader, due to Scheer's immediate resignation, rather then sticking around until a permanent successor was chosen) chose Scheer as interim leader. Perhaps we should reflect this in the infobox & the rest of the article? GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to mention that this discussion is currently occurring on the 44th Canadian federal election talk page. I'll add a request for comment (or GoodDay will) over there. - MikkelJSmith (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GoodDay and MikkelJSmith2, I would call Andrew Scheer Leader of the Official Opposition and Parliamentary Leader for the Conservative caucus. He only resigned as Conservative Party Leader. His status is the same as Elizabeth May except he's also still Leader of the Official Opposition (a parliamentary role). (Cross-posted from GoodDay's talkpage. Doug Mehus T·C 17:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dmehus, thanks for the input, could you write this on the 44th Canadian federal election talk page that's where the sources and the main discussion is occurring. I would ask that you look at the sources too, since they contradict each other. MikkelJSmith (talk) 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Origins - "Romanian family"

In any case, clearly information was missing from his page about this, just stating he had some Romanian origins was not enough, and there was some good information to be found about some of his ancestors originating from New York City, others being of Irish descent, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tolkien5 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2020

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Change: "On 12 December 2019, Scheer announced he would be resigning as the leader of the Conservative Party effective upon the election of a new one.[14][15]" to: "On 12 December 2019, Scheer announced he would be resigning as the leader of the Conservative Party effective upon the election of a new one as a result of the discovery that he was using Conservative Party money to pay for his children’s private schooling.[14][15]"

Source: https://globalnews.ca/news/6288286/andrew-scheer-resignation/ Bobmcfay (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Later in the article, the party insists this issue was NOT the reason for the resignation. QueerFilmNerd^talk 06:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speaker infobox

The infobox is missing Scheer's time as Speaker of the House. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.101.227 (talk) 03:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is there. It is just hidden under the collapsed box titled "Additional offices held". Just have to click it to read them. He has held a few offices including Speaker, Deputy Speaker, Conservative Party leader, Opposition House Leader, and MP. The infobox would be unforgivably long if we did not collapse those titles.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change Andrew James Scheer PC MP (born 20 May 1979) is a Canadian politician who currently< to

Andrew James Scheer PC MP (born 20 May 1979) is a dual national Canadian/American politician who currently<

see https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-has-american-citizenship-1.5307986 Christo2000 (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since earlier sections on this talk page, for example "Dual-citizenship appropriate to mention in intro?", have indicated there would be no consensus for this, I believe the appropriate preliminary reply is "no". Of course, other editors may come to this talk page and try to get consensus for it. This is not about whether "dual" is due elsewhere in the article. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The office title of 'Deputy Speaker' has the 'S' in speaker lowercased (i.e. "s"). Please change it to reflect the rules of grammar. 138.51.251.15 (talk) 07:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done DarthFlappy 17:56, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

lead image

Pinging @Randusk: who made the original change and @Lord Stephenson: who reverted and requested talk page consensus.

Any thoughts on changing the lead image from 1 to a cropped version of 2 (as seen here)?

In 1, Scheer looks like a child, the quality is grainy, and it's a year older than in 2, so I would prefer 2. WildComet (talk) 08:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I much prefer 2 as well, not just because it's newer but it's better quality. I will say, however, that photo 2 should be cropped in a 3 by 4 ratio and that cropped picture should be used to fit. Much better than rather than using the original wide image with the "CSS image crop" template. Randusk (talk) 16:19, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead photo is awkward-looking, his mouth is wide-open. Let's change it.

This is a much better photo Ak-eater06 (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate

Exactly why were there attempts to remove Scheer's birthdate from his article's intro & infobox? GoodDay (talk) 08:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The source seems good enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:GoodDay a disruptive editor was trying to use it as an excuse to block me or something. He reported me for reverting his edit but I was not blocked. Ak-eater06 (talk) 14:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You should assume good faith, particularly when talking about a long-standing editor. What evidence is there that he was disruptive? Are you saying that removing unsourced material is disruptive? Instant Comma (talk) 14:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Instant Comma so you're telling me I should respect an editor based on his edit count? Hilarious. Ak-eater06 (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am saying that you should assume good faith and have asked what evidence you have to justify your imputation of bad faith, a question you have not answered. Would you be willing to explain why you find my comments amusing? Instant Comma (talk) 19:34, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: It was an unsourced WP:DOB, which is a particularly sensitive WP:BLP issue. The DOB has since been reliably sourced. Toddst1 (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That was quite a few years, of it being there unsourced. GoodDay (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. I try to clean these up as I come across them. Toddst1 (talk) 03:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Baloney education and career timeline

Scheer dropped out of UOttawa to work for Larry Spencer, moving to Regina to work in his constituency office. This was years before working at Shenher Insurance, for just 6 months, ahead of himself being elected MP. He needed a new job, after all, because Larry Spencer was booted from the Canadian Alliance caucus; Scheer was a CA loyalist, and knew damn well that Spencer's days as an MP -- and thus, Scheer's paid gig in his office -- were numbered. Oh, and who owns Shenher Insurance? Who else worked there? This article is a farce. 142.126.167.40 (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Zimonjic, Peter (May 19, 2020). "Scheer says he won't renounce U.S. citizenship because he won't be prime minister". CBC News. Retrieved May 19, 2020.

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