Talk:Anatomy of a Fall/Archive 1
Poster
[edit]@Zoolver: Is there a reason why we are not using the film's original theatrical release poster (WP:FILMPOSTER)? Saying that "There is nothing at WP:FILMPOSTER against using an English-language poster" is inaccurate given the ideal is the film's original theatrical release, not a later theatrical release in a different territory. As for the image being "widely used everywhere by major publications to identify the film", that is not correct.but it's not even relevant. I'm sure English sources will use the U.S. poster, but who cares... Οἶδα (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- The original French poster was used here for months while there was no English-language poster. Now we have it and can use it. The U.S. poster also happens to represent the film's theme better than the original one. Again, there is no rule against using an English-language poster in the English Wikipedia.
- "that is not correct.but it's not even relevant. I'm sure English sources will use the U.S. poster, but who cares..."
- I wasn't even talking about the U.S. poster, but the film still of the dead husband in the snow is used everywhere, even in French publications and in one of the alternative French posters since that scene represents the whole point of the film. Zoolver (talk) 21:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- You reverted to the U.S. theatrical release poster, which is not the original release nor is the U.S. a country of origin. There is no standard or guideline of using everything English-language simply because this is English Wikipedia. The template documentation is absolutely clear that the poster from the original theatrical release is the ideal. Continuously saying "there is no rule against using an English-language poster in the English Wikipedia" is not accurate. It's a roundabout way of saying an English-language poster could potentially be used in unique circumstances where it fits the criteria (i.e. English release is the original release). But that is completely irrelevant to this French film originally released in France. If your only issue is the representation of the film in the poster, the distributor Le Pacte, as you alluded to, created two separate posters for this exact reason. So why not just revert my revert, and revert to the second poster which a user previously uploaded? Οἶδα (talk) 10:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- An image of the film's original theatrical release poster should be uploaded and added to the infobox. France (this is not a U.S. film) had the original theatrical release. It had a limited release in the US just yesterday. An old version of the file should be used. ภץאคгöร 13:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- I attempted to upload the original poster but Zoolver reverted to the U.S. theatrical release poster. I haven't pressed the issue further because I can't engage when the argument is just a continuous denial of the existence of template guidelines. And I understand that guidelines are not scripture that cannot be broken. Consensus exists. But the argument has essentially been "There's no rule against using an English-language poster in the English Wikipedia and I like this one better because I think the imagery represents the film better". But if this is a consensus discussion then I say nay, and it sounds as if you do too. At which point referring back to the template guidelines would likely be wise.
- And it is my understanding that we do not tailor any foreign media to the details of its English edition simply due to this being English Wikipedia. And I'm not sure what happened to make people think we do. Because I have experienced more and more users trying to change articles in favor of US releases. It is still against template and community standards. Οἶδα (talk) 11:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- The film is a French production, therefore the French poster should be used. English-language posters are appropriate to use when no posters from the film's country of origin are available, but that doesn't mean English-language posters are the default for non-English-language films. "The U.S. poster also happens to represent the film's theme better than the original one" is an opinion, not a statement of fact. —Matthew / (talk) 04:14, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the French poster should be used, since this is a French film. Whatever "better represents the theme of the film" is entirely subjective and not a valid reason to use the U.S. poster instead of the original French poster. snapsnap (talk) 15:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've uploaded a French poster, which also has the same image of the fallen body. —El Millo (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Facu-el Millo That's not even the official theatrical release French poster, but an alternative one. This one is the official:
- https://www.telerama.fr/cinema/anatomie-d-une-chute-pourquoi-la-palme-d-or-2023-a-deux-affiches-differentes-7016876.php
- https://www.festival-cannes.com/f/anatomie-d-une-chute/
- https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/alpes-maritimes/antibes/j-ai-adore-le-public-reagit-a-la-premiere-de-la-palme-d-or-anatomie-d-une-chute-2828834.html
- Based on this topic's reinterpretation of the guidelines at WP:FILMPOSTER, the current poster is just as inappropriate as the previous one but in French. So what's the excuse now to keep this one? Zoolver (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Both this and the other poster are official. Films have many posters, some of which have different characteristics (teaser posters, character posters, theatrical release posters, IMAX posters, etc.). Both this and the other poster have the exact same format, differing only in the main image. I uploaded this poster in particular given a concern above that this image better represented the film than the one of the couple laughing. We can upload the other one, but both fit the definition of
original theatrical release poster
, one just happens to be more commonly used than the other. Look at IMP Awards for example, both poster designs were uploaded on the same day, meaning the one with the image of the fall isn't any lessoriginal
than the other one. —El Millo (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)- Even though both French posters are official, it seems that the poster featuring the laughing couple is the one that was mainly used to promote the film's theatrical release in France. At least that was the poster featured in the Le Pacte website around the time of the film's release ([1][2]). Should we change it back to the laughing couple poster? snapsnap (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- I do think that recognizability is something to take into account, so I'd be slightly in favor of keeping this poster. If you consider, however, that it being the poster that's been mainly used during its original run in France has more weight, I won't offer further opposition. —El Millo (talk) 23:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is also worth noting that the César academy has used the first poster [3], despite the implicit suggestion here that the second poster has since superseded the first poster in France. Le Pacte's DVD release uses a variation of the second poster image, while the Blu-ray release and all VOD offerings in France use the first poster. Οἶδα (talk) 09:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Even though both French posters are official, it seems that the poster featuring the laughing couple is the one that was mainly used to promote the film's theatrical release in France. At least that was the poster featured in the Le Pacte website around the time of the film's release ([1][2]). Should we change it back to the laughing couple poster? snapsnap (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Both this and the other poster are official. Films have many posters, some of which have different characteristics (teaser posters, character posters, theatrical release posters, IMAX posters, etc.). Both this and the other poster have the exact same format, differing only in the main image. I uploaded this poster in particular given a concern above that this image better represented the film than the one of the couple laughing. We can upload the other one, but both fit the definition of
- I've uploaded a French poster, which also has the same image of the fallen body. —El Millo (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the French poster should be used, since this is a French film. Whatever "better represents the theme of the film" is entirely subjective and not a valid reason to use the U.S. poster instead of the original French poster. snapsnap (talk) 15:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- The film is a French production, therefore the French poster should be used. English-language posters are appropriate to use when no posters from the film's country of origin are available, but that doesn't mean English-language posters are the default for non-English-language films. "The U.S. poster also happens to represent the film's theme better than the original one" is an opinion, not a statement of fact. —Matthew / (talk) 04:14, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- An image of the film's original theatrical release poster should be uploaded and added to the infobox. France (this is not a U.S. film) had the original theatrical release. It had a limited release in the US just yesterday. An old version of the file should be used. ภץאคгöร 13:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- You reverted to the U.S. theatrical release poster, which is not the original release nor is the U.S. a country of origin. There is no standard or guideline of using everything English-language simply because this is English Wikipedia. The template documentation is absolutely clear that the poster from the original theatrical release is the ideal. Continuously saying "there is no rule against using an English-language poster in the English Wikipedia" is not accurate. It's a roundabout way of saying an English-language poster could potentially be used in unique circumstances where it fits the criteria (i.e. English release is the original release). But that is completely irrelevant to this French film originally released in France. If your only issue is the representation of the film in the poster, the distributor Le Pacte, as you alluded to, created two separate posters for this exact reason. So why not just revert my revert, and revert to the second poster which a user previously uploaded? Οἶδα (talk) 10:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Error regarding the actress' dog
[edit]In the October 16 version of the article, under Development, end of second paragraph, is stated: "Hüller's real-life black Weimaraner dog played the dog Dilla in the film." Incorrect. The actress' black dog is in a different film, Zone of Interest. The sentence should be removed, and perhaps added to the wiki on the correct film. Ecinajx19 (talk) 08:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Done. ภץאคгöร 11:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing this! Ecinajx19 (talk) 07:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Please shorten self-indulgent plot description!
[edit]One can have "too much of a good thing", and this article's length is just ridiculous. It is so long that it makes this article unreadable, and I've seen this same self-indulgence becoming more and more common on wikipedia, where articles about films have such unworkably long plot descriptions that it feels like it would be quicker to watch the fipm itself than to read the ridiculously long plot description... it is so frustrating, and it is NOT user-friendly! 49.184.187.19 (talk) 49.184.187.19 (talk) 09:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Language, accents, dubbing
[edit]Hi,
This film is french, with an english character having a lead role, yet played by a german actress. Then it's released in North Americ and UK. Yet there's hardly any information about languages. I would like to learn in this article if the original language was only french, if it is dubbed in english (or released with subtitles) and how they deal with accent in the process, since I guess in the original version, Sandra Voyter, the english character is the one with a foreign accent... Astirmays (talk) 22:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)