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30 Things

30 Things is the online shorts of Amphibia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.129.73.210 (talk) 17:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trolling editor

A user is trolling me. He thinks that Cartoon Network is the new home to Amphibia, which is not, and later thinks it was cancelled.

And he's/she's also adding in fake rumors that Adventure Time is replacing Amphibia, but all that was revealed for that show were just a miniseries of four one-hour specials. It's getting very infuriating. —Keylonrocks7356 (talk) 09:16, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A user is trolling me. He thinks that Disney XD is not the home to Amphibia, which is not. Alex Loney (talk) 20:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the home. Your edit didn't even call it the home CreecregofLife (talk) 20:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is the home of reruns for Amphibia. My edit may not have said it, but that is what your skills are for. Alex Loney (talk) 20:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not. My job is not to prop up bad original research--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Episodes to Separate Page

I've just scrolled through the entire page and season 1 with it's like 40 episodes and the shorts make up half the article. I think we should move them to a separate page to maintain readability and a clear structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave-Senpai (talk • contribs) 13:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We could think about it, but I think the page is fine for what it is. By the way, this is a comment from January 2020. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 22:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should do this now. ConstructorRob18 (talk) 20:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

موافقم Scorpion159159 (talk) 21:27, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, I think this definitely needs to be done. RandomUsernameNumber83 (talk) 01:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you guys like stop being trolls? BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 19:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reasonable Page Split

With The Owl House, it needs to be split just because of the episode summaries being too long.

In the case with this show however, it actually has a second season, as well as a decent amount of shorts to be split into it's own separate episode list.

BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 22:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until there is a third season episodes table, basically as per MOS:TVSPLIT. In general, most TV series do not warrant separate List of episodes articles until they reach about 50 episodes (which is often in the third season for many TV series). Currently, this article only has a season and a half of episode tables, which isn't nearly enough to justify splitting. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

agree this page is at 124K I think we should start a darft in around jannury it not realy the amount of episodes but the page size as a whole Fanoflionking 17:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- No: it's about the "page size in prose" – page coding, like the template coding for the episodes tables does not count towards this. You all need to read WP:SIZESPLIT more carefully – it explicitly says "Readable prose size", not "total page size". Then when you factor in that all of – the 'Characters' section, the episode summaries, and the 'Broadcast' sections (the latter esp. because of WP:TVINTL) – are all too long, it quickly becomes apparent splitting out the LoE is not needed at this time, and won't be needed until there's a third season. You all should instead focus on trimming back the episode summaries, which are substantially over-written (e.g. violate MOS:TVPLOT which says entire episode summaries should be less than 200 words – that's 200 words per episode, not "per segment"). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I agree that the summaries could be shortened, but I think it could be debated whether that TVPLOT guideline should be applied completely literally to shows like this. Whether 11-minute segments of a show are "segments" or "episodes" is an almost completely arbitrary technicality that's determined only by how a studio chooses to package them, and I don't see why that technicality should warrant treating those segments differently in one article vs. another. (Allowing only 100-ish-word summaries of the plots of standalone 11-minute "segments" here, but 200-word summaries of the plots of standalone 11-minute "episodes" elsewhere, doesn't really seem logical when nothing about the way they're packaged - which would be the only difference - means there's any more or less to write about.) Given that the entire style guideline page makes no reference to segments at all, that section seems to be written with the intent of applying to the more typical case where episodes are one standalone thing rather than multiple standalone things packaged together, and I think it would be reasonable to read any statement in the guideline regarding "episodes" as applying to "segments" rather than literally applying to the episode only as a whole. After all, you already have no choice but to read the guideline that way for things like "Episode title, writers, directors, episode numbers, airdates, production codes, and viewership numbers must be reliably sourced, either from the opening/closing credits or from secondary sources (preferred, see WP:RSPRIMARY)," since the writers/directors/etc. may be different from segment to segment. Alphius (talk) 21:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's not that the summaries should be shortened, there fine. It's just that me and an IP cleaned-up the list as to make it look identical to Big City Greens and The Loud House. As what @Magitroopa said, plenty of Nickelodeon cartoons are like this (at the time when I was doing WP:DE, though improved actions in the following months), I also want 101 Dalmatian Street to be like this, but each of the episodes are produced 11 minutes individually, according to the British release. If the British Disney+ release of the second season is like the Canadian release of the first season by combining episodes together, then it will change to Disney+ order. The list is pretty much broken now since the summaries are stitched together, two summaries in one would sometimes make summaries that are more then 200 words but MOS:TVPLOT just wants about 100 to 200 words in summaries. If you want me to change back to what it was originally, I will do my best so that the summary tables are not as long. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - I also oppose until a third season. I also agree that these episode descriptions are very long and extraordinarily specific for Wikipedia. They might be more suitable for the Amphibia Fandom. Ironically, the current Fandom episode descriptions are much shorter and just shy of the perfect length for Wikipedia. Anyone want to flip flop the descriptions between Fandom and Wikipedia? TheBrickPsycho (talk) 03:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @TheBrickPsycho I agree that the summaries from Fandom are shorter, but we can't use them as they were from other websites. Adding them is a violation of WP:COPYVIO. So we just shorten the summaries instead. Hell, look at the Gravity Falls episode list, they have summaries that are much shorter than this show. For now at least, will split the episode list when we are at the third season. Until then, to everybody, leave the list alone. You can shorten the episode summaries by removing the unnecessary fluff, but please do NOT decline the quality of those summaries. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 23:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @BaldiBasicsFan Wikipedia and Fandom are compatibly licensed under CC Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License; pasting entire passages with citations is not a violation. I will not touch the episode descriptions for now. I do, however, think it is important to note the difference between a site with a very general audience, like Wikipedia, and a site with a very specific audience, like Fandom. I am not sure what to infer from your Gravity Falls comment. I do agree they are short, but even as a huge fan (I love GF), I think the descriptions are more than adequate for Wikipedia's audience. They summarize without being overly specific. I will give a quick example with regard to Amphibia. Contagi-Anne's description contains the phrase "since she likes sleeping to rain sounds". This comment is really inconsequential to the plot of the episode; I would recommend removing phrases like this one. Likewise another example is @IJBall's linked plot summary article which states that actor names should not appear in the plot summary. This rule is heavily broken, particularly for guest stars. If the true goal of the page split is to shorten the size of the page, these are some good places to start. --TheBrickPsycho (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @TheBrickPsycho I will remove all of the actor names in the summaries. I will do it tomorrow because I have to go to school. Plus, I will remove that unnecessary fact. The summaries will hopefully be fixed. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @BaldiBasicsFan Okay thank you. For each actor you delete, be sure that they do appear under Characters (it seems like most of them do). This actor information is relevant and we do want all of it, just in a different place. --TheBrickPsycho (talk) 16:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @TheBrickPsycho I have clean-up the summaries of the first season. I will do the second season later. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @TheBrickPsycho I got the second season taken care of now. So, what do think of the changes I did to the summaries? BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 03:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @BaldiBasicsFan Looks better thank you! --TheBrickPsycho (talk) 18:21, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh!

I did remove the name of the actors on the episode summaries since they clogging the episode list. But dumb fans continued to put the names of the actors. Who ever is doing this is getting a warning. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Episode Templates

Please follow the guidelines of WP:FAN, MOS:TVPLOT, WP:NAD, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:WINARS. The episode list continues to be clogged by Editmaster4, so if you ever see him do trouble, please warn or report him immediately. We are not putting names of actors in the summaries, actor names can easily be seen in the list of characters page, and in the end credits of each episode. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:09, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Split Part 2

Now that Season 3 is days away from airing and the table is already there, it's probably time to split off the episode list. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:58, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Season 3 is here now. I say Split. Voicebox64 (talk) 22:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I say Oppose because we haven't reached the episode 50 mark yet. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My main concern are that the episodes 'combined with the shorts' are what are causing the page to look a little disruptive. That's why I think it should be split. Voicebox64 (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This needs to have a episodes page we can not keep on cutting this page down it ridiculous we even got quite a few shorts aswell 92.236.253.249 (talk) 12:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not until we get to episode 50 though, its what IJBall said. So what? There isn't much I can do for you. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 03:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a split since there is a season 3 episode table and IJball said they opposed until there was a season 3 episode table. Pago95 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:06, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IJBall said "about 50 episodes, not exactly. The current list is 45, and we know it's going to hit 50 (the titles for 46-49 have even leaked). This is plenty, and trying to put it off at this point is highly unnecessary. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I say Split, soon enough episodes would have aired to warrant an LOE article. SecondLooneyaccount (talk)

Reviewer Note

There isn't a consensus, which means that there isn't a consensus against splitting. I am accepting the draft list of episodes. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC) @Cyberlink420, Voicebox64, and SecondLooneyaccount: - The episode information in this article should probably be cut down, now that I have accepted the episodes. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a Separate Page

Create a separate page for the episode of Reunion, The First Temple, The Second Temple, Third Temple and True Colors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:5280:3CB0:D041:5B24:6944:7F75 (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shorts

The shorts are now in the episodes page do they need to be here too? 92.236.253.249 (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Evaluation for a class

What kinds of conversations, if any, are going on behind the scenes about how to represent this topic?

All of the conversations within the talk page have been aimed towards making the article as accurate as possible and making sure that malevolent users are not abusing their ability to edit the page as they please. I think that the people who have been working on this article so far are doing an excellent job and I learned a couple things about a show that I recently started watching. KAMc98 (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Season 3 being the last season has NOT been confirmed

As said in the article, Matt Braly said he "structured the story for 3 [seasons] currently". Even the second source not from the AMA references it and specifically states there has been no official confirmation. If there is another source I am not aware of confirming this officially then add it as a citation, otherwise, there has not been any official confirmation that season 3 is the last season, he merely implied that he at the time was planning on it being 3 seasons. While I do believe this will be the last season based on the narrative direction and him strongly implying it will be, Wikipedia is not a place for beliefs, it is a place for confirmed facts. So in conclusion, please stop editing the page to refer to season 3 as the final season as fact, it is NOT yet fact. AFrickingNerd (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The AMA does not state that it is unconfirmed. Please do not make falsities to push sourced information off the page--CreecregofLife (talk) 22:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The AMA does not state it is unconfirmed but at no point (at least how I read it) does he confirm it either. As stated in the article: "In a Reddit AMA, Braly referred to Amphibia as a "three act story" with season two as the "2nd act". He further clarified in the AMA that he had "structured the story for 3 [seasons] currently""...wouldn't this mean that stating on wikipedia that it is the final season would be incorrect? He definitely implied that it will be the last season, but is that enough to state on Wikipedia that it is for sure the final season? I was not in any way intending to push the information off the page, I apologize if I came across that way. AFrickingNerd (talk) 22:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Speedy close. A unanimous snowball of opposition. The TV series is clearly not primary over the taxon. (non-admin closure) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Amphibia (TV series) → Amphibia – Search engine results for "Amphibia" lead much more to the television series (Google, Bing and Yahoo even add a link to this article rather than Amphibian, the article to which Amphibia redirects at the time of writing), thus leaning more towards WP:COMMONNAME. 2600:1700:9DD0:8FD0:D52B:D3CB:E471:8CA2 (talk) 23:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed: Because the biological taxon for which this tv series is named after takes much much much much greater priority.--Mr Fink (talk) 01:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, a good example of long-term notability overruling pageviews. 162 etc. (talk) 02:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose and speedy close per GBooks Marcel Florkin · Amphibia and Reptilia 2014- Page 140 "he osmoregulatory system in Amphibia is very important because it represents a transitional stage between fishes and terrestrial vertebrates. Most hormonal systems of Amphibia are involved in these regulatory ..." etc. etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One edit IP, please register for an account to enable use of Talk page and discussion. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close per above. The taxon has far more long-term significance. O.N.R. ^(talk) 17:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for much of the same reasons already stated. As much as I like this show, the taxonomic class clearly takes precedence, meaning "Amphibia" should stay as a redirect to the Amphibian page. Also, I quite prefer "Amphibia (TV series)" as the title for this page because of its additional descriptiveness. – Jamie Eilat (talk) 17:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Starkiryu64 (talk) 13:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, that image should've just been uploaded to Wikipedia without putting it on Wikimedia Commons. - Jamie Eilat (talk) 16:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now I get it. Starkiryu64 (talk) 17:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For fans of Marcy

If someone wanted to create more info for Marcy, here it is: Draft:Marcy Wu Starkiryu64 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2023

Deleted show — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.117.96.129 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2023

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removal date June 19, 2022 152.117.96.189 (talk) 21:48, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Tollens (talk) 01:06, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]