Talk:Minerva Airlines Flight 1553

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A fact from Minerva Airlines Flight 1553 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 February 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a 15-year-old swim team member is credited with saving several lives in the crash of Alitalia Flight 1553?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alitalia Flight 1553.

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GA Review

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Alitalia Flight 1553/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 04:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Welcome to GAN, Derpytoucan! There are some tweaks to be made throughout in copy. I have some sourcing concerns with the blockquote, which appears to combine several quoted passages incorrectly if you don't have the report, and with the information on his claim of exoneration. Solid start, and I'm giving you 7 days to get it together. Ping me when all the requested changes have been made. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your user talk comments. I have one last concern that has not been addressed, @Derpytoucan. It is the spot check item with reference 10. I need a later article on the upholding of the conviction. If I can't get that, this nomination will fail. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Sammi Brie: I fixed the mistakes, the Captain was vindicated by the Italian Civil Aviation Authority's final report (stated in my source as being a Ministry of Transport report; the Civil Aviation Authority is part of of the Ministry of Transport) and had his sentence reduced. After re-reading source 9, the quote stating that it was pilot error apparently came from an independent report that was requested by the court for the captain's first trial and was not the Civil Aviation Authority's final report.

When writing this article in English, I rewrote several passages from the German Version of the article which already existed. Several statements from that article appear to be unsourced, and although I corrected most of the errors when writing this article (in fact, I tried letting some people active on the German Wikipedia know about that article's problems with little success), I must've forgot to check the part about the legal proceedings, thus leading to these mistakes. Hope it's all cleared up now.

-Derpytoucan (talk) 06:44, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's why translation can be an issue when the source lacks sufficient sourcing. Glad to see you caught that and added another La Repubblica article. This is ready to pass! Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copy changes

Spell out "three" in the second sentence.
1-hour and 25 minute flight I wonder if 85-minute flight would be tidier.
Hyphenate "35-year-old" and "15-year-old"
Also in the cockpit were First Officer Walter Beneduce, and a test pilot. Eliminate the comma, as there are only two items in the list.
15-18 knot maybe 15- to 18-knot tailwind
The blockquote from the report is improperly quoted. The newspaper did include some connective tissue between elements which you quoted, so go back and look at it again and figure out where the quotation marks are. Is the actual report available to quote?
"pilots" should be "pilot's"
Spell out "two years and eight months"
Remove the comma after "on landing" (User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences)

Sourcing and spot checks

Observations:

What makes airdisasters.co.uk a reliable source?
Earwig only flags the name of the ANSV and no other significant material.

I also ran IABot to archive the references. Some of the links were dead. Since Internet Archive archives most new links added to Wikipedia, these can typically be recovered. This is generally a recommendation I make to reviewers, but I did so here in order to access some of the sources.

Four references were chosen for spot checks:

5: Contains the age of the captain, Del Bono. Using Google Translate, it says "student pilot" instead of "test pilot", which also makes more sense. Y (but change)
6: Description of what the aircraft did on the runway appears to match per Google Translate. Y
10: This seems to check out except for the part where he was not exonerated (as it's discussed in future tense). The reasoning is also not discussed here. Do the regional newspapers have a second source?
11: Notes cessation of operations of the airline. Y

Images

There are two images in the article, one from the Konstantin von Wedelstaedt collection (for which we have permission to use) and an Aeroprints image we also have permission to use. Both have appropriate permission tickets in VRT on the Commons side. They also both have captions.

Encouragements

These items are not required by GA specification but are encouraged as good practices.

Add alt text to images. This makes them accessible for users that use screen readers, such as the blind.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 00:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a 15-year-old swim team member is credited with saving several lives in the crash of Alitalia Flight 1553? Source: http://archiviostorico.gazzetta.it/1999/febbraio/26/aereo_atterra_lungo_morti_ga_0_9902269417.shtml
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Improved to Good Article status by Derpytoucan (talk). Self-nominated at 23:25, 22 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

It is GA article promoted on 22nd January 2023. It is well referenced and has no issues related to copy right. The hook is short, less than 200 charchters and is well referenced.

Formatting it correctly since @Nvvchar: didn't know how. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is ready to go. Nvvchar. 01:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thrust reversers?

The Dornier is a turboprop. They don't have thrust reversers per se. Those are found on jet aircraft. For prop planes, reverse thrust is generated by changing the pitch of the prop. Also, what does it mean to "block" a thrust reverser? Is that a translation issue? IAmNitpicking (talk) 03:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware of that technicality, but all the sources use say "thrust reversers" or "thrust reverse mechanism". As for the word "blocked", the word "jammed" might work better, but none of the sources seem to give any technical details. Derpytoucan (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]