Talk:Alice Cooper

Split

The band "Alice Cooper" deserves a separate article, this has been discussed before, and most users have been in favor, but it never happened! Charles Essie (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Makes sense. Should the articles be named Alice Cooper (person) and Alice Cooper (band) with a disambiguation page? 91.119.221.228 (talk) 13:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Also supporting this split. On the names, they look fine and I cannot see anything in WP:NAME that contradicts this, but then I am not the biggest expert on this on Wikipedia.--SabreBD (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

whadd'ya think of goofy george now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.247.53 (talk) 02:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Some of the text sounds like it was lifted from a fan magazine.... PurpleChez (talk) 22:53, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Style and influence / Arthur Brown ?

I'm surprised to not reading mention of Arthur Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Brown_(musician)), in the influences to the young Alice Cooper (idea of the Shock Rock). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.115.199.83 (talk) 05:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Toronto Riot - No show Aug. 19 1980

Alice could not perform on his last date of the tour, in Toronto, and fans were told of this at the concert. A major riot ensued. Details of that are captured in a Youtube video with J.D. Roberts reporting. At the end of the video Alice explains why he could not perform and that he was there with makeup on before cancelling.

JHolicky (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Glam metal? Extreme metal?

I've listened to Alice for most of my life and I have to ask, why does it say he's glam rock? After all, yeah he has the costume and stuff, but if anything, he's glam metal, since he has that sound, like in poison. The song poison is glam metal. The guitar players have the poofy blonde hair, alice has all this makeup on and the sound is very much metal with pop influence. Also, is alice cooper extreme metal? I know the song brutal planet has a very loud sound and Feed my Frankenstein sounds like groove metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.66.197.131 (talk) 02:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Obviously you haven't listened to enough of Alice's music. Yes he played glam metal between 1986 and 1991 but that was a very minor part of his career. But in the 1970's Alice Cooper was one of the most important glam rock bands/artists. Check the facts before making yourself an idiot. -Lace&Whiskey 10:12, 10 November 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.78.242 (talk)

Genres

I have generalized the genres to hard rock and heavy metal. There is no need for the other sub genres, the amount is above how much the template recommends and other genres are mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistymountain546 (talk • contribs)

We should try and determine which 2–4 genres are most widely attributed to Cooper. Underneath this discussion we should list all the best sources and show their genres. My guess is that shock rock will be returned to the article. Binksternet (talk) 19:56, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Note that a previous discussion is archived at Talk:Alice_Cooper/Archive_1#Genre. Binksternet (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

These are all the genres that he is categorized as, that is referenced. From these, I think the 4 genres should be shock rock, hard rock, heavy metal and glam rock. Add more reliable references, so far:

Heavy metal:

• Richard D. Barnet; Larry L. Burriss (2001). Controversies of the Music Industry. Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 85. ISBN 978-0-313-31094-2.
• Chris Smith (2006). The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Rock History: From arenas to the underground, 1974-1980. Greenwood Press. p. xvii. ISBN 978-0-313-33611-9.
• Elizabeth F. Barkley (2007). Crossroads: The Multicultural Roots of America's Popular Music. Pearson Prentice Hall. p. 215. ISBN 978-0-13-193073-5.
• William Phillips; Brian Cogan (20 March 2009). Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal Music. ABC-CLIO. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-313-34801-3.
• Ray Broadus Browne; Pat Browne (2001). The Guide to United States Popular Culture. Popular Press. p. 373. ISBN 978-0-87972-821-2.
• Keith Elliot Greenberg (1 January 1986). Heavy Metal. Lerner Publications. p. 10. ISBN 978-0-8225-1610-1.
• Paul Fowles; Graham Wade (23 February 2012). Concise History of Rock Music. Mel Bay Publications. p. 119. ISBN 978-1-61911-016-8.
• Allosaurus Publishers (1 January 1996). Monkeyshines on Music and Great Musicians. EBSCO Publishing, Inc. p. 134. ISBN 978-1-888325-01-0.
• Nathan Brackett; Christian David Hoard (2004). The New Rolling Stone Album Guide. Simon and Schuster. p. 13. ISBN 978-0-7432-0169-8.
• Craig J. Forsyth; Heith Copes (21 January 2014). Encyclopedia of Social Deviance. SAGE Publications. p. 437. ISBN 978-1-4833-6469-8.
• Robert Walser (16 October 2014). Running with the Devil: Power, Gender, and Madness in Heavy Metal Music. Wesleyan University Press. p. 16. ISBN 978-0-8195-7515-9.
• Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. Alice Cooper at AllMusic. Retrieved October 2, 2015.--Mistymountain546 (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hard rock:

• Peter Doggett (27 August 2015). Electric Shock: From the Gramophone to the iPhone – 125 Years of Pop Music. Random House. p. 416. ISBN 978-1-4481-3031-3.
• Robert Palmer; Anthony DeCurtis (6 September 2011). Blues & Chaos: The Music Writing of Robert Palmer. Simon and Schuster. p. 279. ISBN 978-1-4165-9975-3.
• Maxim W. Furek (2008). The Death Proclamation of Generation X: A Self-Fulfilling Prophesy of Goth, Grunge and Heroin. iUniverse. p. 55. ISBN 978-0-595-46319-0.
• André Millard (15 June 2004). The Electric Guitar: A History of an American Icon. JHU Press. p. 2. ISBN 978-0-8018-7862-6.
• Mojo Collection: The Ultimate Music Companion; Brought to You by the Makers of Mojo Magazine. Canongate. 2007. p. 284. ISBN 978-1-84195-973-3.
• Colin Larkin (1997). The Virgin Encyclopedia of Seventies Music. Virgin. p. 10. ISBN 978-0-7535-0154-2.
• Dave Marsh; John Swenson (12 October 1983). The new Rolling stone record guide. Random House/Rolling Stone Press. p. 113. ISBN 978-0-394-72107-1.
• John C. Super; Tracy Irons-Georges (2006). The seventies in America. Salem Press. p. 431. ISBN 978-1-58765-230-1.
• Frank Hoffmann (12 November 2004). Encyclopedia of Recorded Sound. Routledge. p. 478. ISBN 978-1-135-94950-1.
• Steve Craig (26 February 1992). Men, Masculinity and the Media. SAGE Publications. p. 43. ISBN 978-1-4522-4611-6.
• Britannica Educational Publishing (1 December 2012). Disco, Punk, New Wave, Heavy Metal, and More: Music in the 1970s and 1980s. Britannica Educational Publishing. p. 38. ISBN 978-1-61530-912-2.
• Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. Alice Cooper at AllMusic. Retrieved October 2, 2015. --Mistymountain546 (talk) 18:13, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Glam rock:

• John C. Super; Tracy Irons-Georges (2006). The seventies in America. Salem Press. p. 431. ISBN 978-1-58765-230-1.
• Jake Brown (2008). Heart: In the Studio. ECW Press. p. 14. ISBN 978-1-55490-325-2.
• Peter Doggett (2011). The Man who Sold the World: David Bowie and the 1970s. Bodley Head. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-84792-145-1.
• Colleen Cotter (2001). USA Phrasebook. Lonely Planet. p. 112. ISBN 978-1-86450-182-7.
• Edward Macan (31 December 2005). Endless Enigma: A Musical Biography of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Open Court. p. 349. ISBN 978-0-8126-9596-0.
• Dr Ian Inglis (28 January 2013). Performance and Popular Music: History, Place and Time. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. p. 80. ISBN 978-1-4094-9354-9.
• Claude J. Summers (2004). The Queer Encyclopedia of Music, Dance, & Musical Theater. Cleis Press. p. 219. ISBN 978-1-57344-198-8.
• Wim Hendrikse (1 May 2013). David Bowie - The Man Who Changed the World. New Generation Publishing. p. 164. ISBN 978-0-7552-5053-0.
• Timothy English (12 October 2007). Sounds Like Teen Spirit: Stolen Melodies, Ripped-Off Riffs, and the Secret History of Rock and Roll. iUniverse. p. 46. ISBN 978-0-595-90692-5.
• Death Discs: An Account of Fatality in the Popular Song. Sanctuary. January 1997. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-86074-195-1. --Mistymountain546 (talk) 18:39, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Shock rock:

• William J. Bausch (2005). Still Preaching After All These Years: 40 More Seasonal Homilies. Twenty-Third Publications. p. 36. ISBN 978-1-58595-327-1.
• David A. Carson (2006). Grit, Noise, & Revolution: The Birth of Detroit Rock 'n' Roll. University of Michigan Press. p. 1970. ISBN 0-472-03190-2.
• Jacqueline Edmondson Ph.D. (3 October 2013). Music in American Life: An Encyclopedia of the Songs, Styles, Stars, and Stories That Shaped Our Culture. ABC-CLIO. p. 294. ISBN 978-0-313-39348-8.
• Eddie Trunk (30 August 2011). Eddie Trunk’s Essential Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. Abrams. p. 167. ISBN 978-1-61312-142-9.
• John C. Super; Tracy Irons-Georges (2006). The seventies in America. Salem Press. p. 243. ISBN 978-1-58765-229-5.
• Jacqueline Edmondson Ph.D. (3 October 2013). Music in American Life: An Encyclopedia of the Songs, Styles, Stars, and Stories That Shaped Our Culture. ABC-CLIO. p. 501. ISBN 978-0-313-39348-8.
• Daniel Bukszpan; Ronnie James Dio (2003). The Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal. Barnes & Noble Publishing. p. 275. ISBN 978-0-7607-4218-1.
• Mark Allan Powell (2002). Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music. Hendrickson Publishers. p. 195. ISBN 978-1-56563-679-8.
• Greg Metzer (21 May 2008). Rock Band Name Origins: The Stories of 240 Groups and Performers. McFarland. p. 54. ISBN 978-0-7864-5531-7.
• Taylor T. Carlson (14 June 2014). STEELcyclopedia - The Titans of Hard Rock. Lulu.com. p. 57. ISBN 978-1-304-80076-3.
• William Phillips; Brian Cogan (20 March 2009). Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal Music. ABC-CLIO. p. 20. ISBN 978-0-313-34801-3.
• Wim Hendrikse (1 May 2013). David Bowie - The Man Who Changed the World. New Generation Publishing. p. 320. ISBN 978-0-7552-5053-0.
• The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Rock History: The rise of album rock, 1967-1973. Greenwood Press. 2006. p. 175. ISBN 978-0-313-32966-1.
• Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. Alice Cooper at AllMusic. Retrieved October 2, 2015. --Mistymountain546 (talk) 20:50, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Glam metal:

• Dr Doris Leibetseder (28 January 2013). Queer Tracks: Subversive Strategies in Rock and Pop Music. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. p. 20. ISBN 978-1-4094-7203-2.
• Ryan Moore (2010). Sells Like Teen Spirit: Music, Youth Culture, and Social Crisis. NYU Press. p. 105. ISBN 978-0-8147-5748-2. --Mistymountain546 (talk) 18:56, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Garage rock:

• Peter Doggett (2011). The Man who Sold the World: David Bowie and the 1970s. Bodley Head. p. 137. ISBN 978-1-84792-144-4.
• Mike McPadden (1 May 2012). If You Like Metallica...: Here Are Over 200 Bands, CDs, Movies, and Other Oddities That You Will Love. Backbeat Books. p. 34. ISBN 978-1-4768-1357-8.
• Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. Alice Cooper at AllMusic. Retrieved October 2, 2015. --Mistymountain546 (talk) 19:27, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

alice cooper

Hi just to let you know Alice cooper played "harmonica" as well Adam bendelow (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Adam bendelow: Nobody is saying he doesn't but, he's not know as a harmonica player. Harmonica is a secondary instrument for Cooper and as the guidelines states, secondary instruments do not go in the infobox but, are encouraged to be mentioned in prose. Cheers, Mlpearc (open channel) 16:42, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

On the first album he did Adam bendelow (talk) 16:58, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Adam bendelow: You didn't read what I said. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:03, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Brazil Arrest

Alice was arrested in Brazil for "wiping is arse with the American Flag" in 77 or 78. Why is there no mention of this?

Apparently Brazilian authorities were more concerned that he would do the show the next night with a Brazilian Flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.54.52.114 (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Because it's not notable, it's trivia, Wikipedia doesn't do trivia. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:08, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

"Alice Cooper'stown"

Why no mention of his restaurant?

Even though it just closed after a near 20-year run, it should be mentioned. 2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Here! Here! Through the bar and grill, Alice did a lot of charity work, and supported all sorts of local Arizona sports teams! ( I can’t swear to it - only having been to the Phoenix one, but, there may have been one in Detroit as well.). Definitely worthy! 75.107.41.198 (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Rare photo removed

[[:File:Mae West speech after "Sextette" opening 1978.jpg|thumb|Cooper (second from right) laughs at Mae West's words after the opening of her last movie in 1978.]] I believe this should be reverted to reinstate this image which adds quality to the article in my opinion. The fact that Cooper was in that movie was quite a sensation, and free photos from that period of him, as of Mae West, are extremely rare. Since I apparently am considered a COI because I know the person who took this, I cannot do it myself, but I invite the opinions and/or action of neutral users. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

As stated when I removed the image I believe that it adds nothing to the article as the quality is poor and Cooper is barely recognisable. If you can find a photo of him in costume from the film that would be interesting. By the way he is credited on the film's page and IMDB as a waiter but the article says he was a bellboy. Domdeparis (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Again, I invite the opinions and/or action of neutral users here. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Would you mind explaining "neutral"? Do you mean those that do not disagree with your POV? Domdeparis (talk) 11:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Domdeparis, this photo adds nothing to the quality of the article as it has nothing to do with Cooper beyond him being in it, which I would challenge anyone recognizing him without the caption. - FlightTime (open channel) 12:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your valuable neutral input (by which I mean input by users between whom there have not been past problems, justifiable or not, such as one who has challenged a large number of article images provided by another). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Even I think Domdeparis did correct here. You can not see it is Cooper in the photo. Adville (talk) 22:08, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dennis Dunaway in "Alice Cooper" entry

Dennis Dunaway, although mentioned in one of the first paragraphs, is not listed as a band member in the designated part near the end.

72.69.161.2 (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Dennis Dunaway appears everywhere in the Alice Cooper (band) article, where it should be mentioned. The articles were split. Alice Cooper is more about his personal life and solo career. — CYAce01 (talk) 01:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to this article (in order that it be properly encyclopedic): information about Cooper's ethnic heritage. One website states that he has French Huguenot, Sioux Native American, English, Scottish, and Irish ancestry. In an interview, Cooper has said: "My dad's side was Sioux and my mom's side was Cherokee." 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Genealogy

The first Furnier in that line was a Davide Fournier, a native Frenchman who emigrated to Maryland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C0:DF2E:7D00:9D56:E1EC:4070:5127 (talk) 22:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Eric Dover?

Solo band member somewhere until 2003? 86.115.97.136 (talk) 00:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Furnier pronunciation?

Does it rhyme with "fire", "beer" or something else? - Immigrant laborer (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Furn E-A, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 00:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

So it is. Thanks~ - Immigrant laborer (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Controversy over trans attitudes

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2023/08/29/alice-cooper-loses-cosmetics-deal-calling-trans-people-a-fad/70713576007/

Whether Alice Cooper is the opposite of an LGBTQ+ ally is a thing that matters to many. Before I get started trying to NPOV-edit-in one, is there a reason this "controversy" section should not be added? 68.188.119.174 (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

That's not a controversy, seems like WP:NOTNEWS --FMSky (talk) 10:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm with FMSky. Definitely WP:NOTNEWS. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to add that I came to this page specifically to find Cooper's views on transgender people. I'm here because I didn't find info that I expected to be on his page, and wanted to see if anyone else had this concern. ApolloEndymion (talk) 03:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for replying to the wrong section. I'm new here! Is there a way to edit this, and is it expected that I do so? ApolloEndymion (talk) 03:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

There's a whole section on the page about his political views. Why on earth would you not include his stated views on transgender people? I agree that it probably doesn't need a whole "controversy" section, but if we're going to include his statement that "the next U.S. president would be "worse" than then-president Donald Trump," then we can include his statements about trans people. ApolloEndymion (talk) 03:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

presidential run

https://alicecooper.com/alice-cooper-launches-2024-presidential-campaign-im-a-troubled-man-for-troubled-times/ 2601:80:4683:A0:7E3A:E159:7684:303E (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)