Talk:Alejandro Mayorkas/Archive 1

Archive 1

Neutrality

This article reads like a promotional piece. The "Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security" section is unreferenced. MB298 (talk) 00:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

I totally agree this site reads like a promotional piece. Dietcoke3 (talk) 00:35, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Just reviewed the article, and although there is nothing overtly negative here, I’m not seeing any material that should be excluded. All of the facts included are correct. What other (sourced) facts should be included for balance? What information seems promotional? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadianpoliticaljunkie (talk • contribs) 17:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I looked through and saw a couple of statements that were a bit too flowery in boosting the subject. I cut them. The article does not appear to otherwise have neutrality problems. Unsourced statements are not POV. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

There's lots more that should be removed or significantly edited. Bangabandhu (talk) 03:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I think an NPOV tag is justified. I also see some really strange edits here. For instance AleatoryPonderings claims there is no evidence the subject identifies as Cuban-American when a simple Google search can turn up MANY realiable sources that say he is Cuban-American.103.120.228.44 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Bangabandhu, please point out what should be changed, and use reliable sources if possible. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Ditto for IP. If you can find a reliable source that says he identifies as Cuban-American, add it. I don't think this article fails NPOV either. It's missing some content in places, but that's not a failure of neutrality. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Would you care to explain your edit summary that you saying that you could not find any evidence that he identifies as Cuban-American when the simplest of Google queries returns article after article after article that he is in fact Cuban-American and talks about his Cuban heritage? That was a profoundly strange edit summary.103.120.228.44 (talk) 21:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The person introducing information into any article, especially a WP:BLP, has the WP:BURDEN to demonstrate that the information they are including is verifiable and based on reliable sources. It's not my responsibility to do other editors' work for them. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Origin of surname

Was his family's surname originally spelled "Mallorcas"? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

How is it possible that there is no criticisms section.

This man has faced withering criticisms of his handling of issues pertaining to the United States' southern boarder and the fact that he's repeatedly used his offices in the government to benefit immigration to the U.S. and those already here illegally. There are presently calls for his impeachment. Hell, he's literally sitting next to Biden in 2015 when then V.P. Biden championed “…an unrelenting stream of immigration—non-stop, non-stop—folks like me who are Caucasian, of European decent, for the first time, in 2017, will be an absolute minority in the United States of America. Absolute minority. Fewer than fifty percent of the people in America—from then and on—will be White European stock. That’s not a bad thing. That’s a source of our strength.” IAmBecomeDeath (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

"Withering" criticisms, huh? Present some reliable sources and suggest some edits. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:43, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society

Mayorkas served on the HIAS board of directors. This apolitical experience is directly relevant to his biography and sourced from the HIAS. It is not merely an irrelevant factoid that has little to do with his overall life. Lokisandal34 (talk) 00:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't see the text "The HIAS provides legal aid to immigrants and lobbies to expand political protections for refugees in the United States." is fully backed by the reference you provided here. Especially the part "lobbies to expand political protections for refugees in the United States" https://hias.org/who/ there mission page says this "Drawing on our Jewish values and history, HIAS provides vital services to refugees and asylum seekers around the world and advocates for their fundamental rights so they can rebuild their lives." - 2001:558:6045:27:501A:5E5:E7EA:C2A (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Their website explicitly states their mission is to resettle refugees and provide legal aid. Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

https://hias.org/what/resettle-refugees/

https://hias.org/what/provide-legal-support/

These are all added from the What We Do Section. The direct link is to their main website, therefore, it need not link to the exact page. Furthermore, I added the HIAS Wikipedia link, which restates the same thing. Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

In case I missed it, how can lobbies to expand political protections for refugees in the United States be concluded from the links you provided? The most I see from there is the claim that they "provide vital services to refugees and asylum seekers around the world" - 2001:558:6045:27:501A:5E5:E7EA:C2A (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

You are needling this topic into a purely semantic debate. The HIAS engages in significant lobbying. I can provide another credible source and add it to the page. https://www.jta.org/2008/03/04/default/hias-lobbies-on-immigration

We should not be in the practice of arbitrarily needling semantic topics that are based only on verbal disagreements. The Talk Page is for theoretical disagreements over the material. However, there is no disagreement with his serving on the board. Furthermore, the HIAS does lobby — as the provided link shows. Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

It's not semantic debate, but this is synthesis of published materials from my understanding - basically you're combining multiple sources to describe HIAS in your specific way that doesn't improve the article. It's fine to include the HIAS BoD part, but don't think it's worth to be in a dedicated section and additional description on HIAS specifically - 2001:558:6045:27:501A:5E5:E7EA:C2A (talk) 03:11, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

https://act.hias.org/page/32505/action/1?locale=en-US

I wanted to also add this link. The HIAS directly lobbied President Biden in 2021. Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:42, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I added the new links. Is there any other issue with the paragraph? Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Lastly, I would agree to change “lobbies” for “advocates” if we can agree to stop the edit conflict. They are synonymous terms in this instance, but perhaps you will find the wording more amendable. But I strongly feel the overall content is neutral, apolitical, and balanced. Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

If there is a further problem, then you must provide a credible reason to delete it, such as a specific policy infringement. However, the paragraph is not libelous, a coat hangar, a trojan horse, threatening, abusive, or uses original research.

The material also pertains directly to Mayorkas’s biography and career, so it is not an irrelevant part of his life. Some topics may be true but are not relevant to the page. The type of car someone drives, what ice cream they prefer, etc, would be examples of irrelevant information. Lokisandal34 (talk) 17:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

The IP is correct. This appears to be WP:SYNTH. Generalrelative (talk) 14:11, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Lokisandal34, this is still WP:SYNTH. Just because a month has passed does not mean you can reignite this edit war. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

It cannot be original research. It specifically states that one cannot reach a conclusion “not stated.” I specifically stated exactly the citation. He served on the board. That is not original research. Furthermore, I cited from the website directly. Go away, bot! Lokisandal34 (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

How much is the DNC paying you to protect pages? Lokisandal34 (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

You returned from a one month block to resume edit warring. You are blocked from editing this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I never reverted a change. How is that edit warring, bot? Lokisandal34 (talk) 23:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

You jumped the gun, bot. It would only be edit warring if I reverted a page. Lokisandal34 (talk) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

And you're blocked for good. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Impeachment

The Impeachment process is going forward in the House - [1]. M.Karelin (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Impeachment article

Someone has created an impeachment article. I have tried to improve it from a stub but it could use some help. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

He has been impeached

Needs to be revised the vote was 214 to 213 159.250.208.154 (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Trivia

Can someone explain why this is in the lede, let alone the article:

Mayorkas is the first refugee and first person born in Latin America to lead the department.

How is this relevant to the article? Does it make him better at this job? How? Doesn't WP:TRIVIA discourage this sort of thing? Seems like identity politics to me. 2604:3D09:C77:4E00:45FF:C25E:79F8:FF6A (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I moved that sentence from the lead to the body, as it's not important enough for the lead and was not mentioned in the body. That he is a refugee and from Latin America is essential to his biography. That he is the "first" refugee and person from Latin America to lead DHS is more trivial. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

the article claims “Republican dissatisfaction with immigration and border issues” led to Mayorkas’s impeachment. According to Pew, Gallup and many other polls it’s not just Republicans dissatisfaction . The majority of Americans are dissatisfied with border security and immigration. The article makes it sound like it was an attack by Republicans, when according to polls they were serving the will of the majority of Americans.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-u-s-mexico-border-situation-and-the-governments-handling-of-the-issue/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

https://cis.org/Arthur/Somehow-Bidens-Immigration-and-Border-Polling-Gets-Worse WhowinsIwins (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Republican Dissatisfaction?

the article claims “Republican dissatisfaction with immigration and border issues” led to Mayorkas’s impeachment. According to Pew, Gallup and many other polls it’s not just Republicans dissatisfaction . The majority of Americans are dissatisfied with border security and immigration. The article makes it sound like it was an attack by Republicans, when according to polls they were serving the will of the majority of Americans. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-u-s-mexico-border-situation-and-the-governments-handling-of-the-issue/ https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx https://cis.org/Arthur/Somehow-Bidens-Immigration-and-Border-Polling-Gets-Worse WhowinsIwins (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

None of those three links reference the impeachment, so this is WP:OR / WP:SYNTH. "Republican dissatisfaction" in this case appears to refer specifically to House Republicans. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)