Talk:Agahnim

Alter-ego

In Link to the Past, Ganon calls Agahnim his alter-ego. That's pretty clear to me that Agahnim and Ganon are the same being. Dave 13:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, although some may not. Make the change if you feel it appropriate. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:52, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure they always intended it like that just as they never intended "You are Zelda's..." to end with "sister". And indeed they clarified both those points in the GBA port. When you defeat Agahnim a second time in that version you see Ganon's spirit rising from his body which then turns into the bat, rather than the bat alone as in the SNES original. And yet in this same revision one of the maidens (Zelda?) refer to Agahnim as Ganon's "pawn" which makes it sound like mind-control... since the added visual evidence points to him being an alter ego, I guess it's another translation error. Strange. Garrett^Talk 11:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: actually, I took a screengrab of the new Ganon appearance. Do you think that's worth showing as well as mentioning? Garrett^Talk 11:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds delicious. I would do it. Dave 00:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I have always personally suspected that Ganondorf and Agahnim were indeed the same being--something of a human 'transformation' that Ganon could utilize at his disposal, or perhaps his 'original' form prior to using the Triforce of Power to transform from Ganondorf to Ganon the first time at the end of OoT. Also consider that after OoT, in WW, he appears as Ganondorf, obviously showing that either Ganon is some kind of temporary transformation after using the Triforce of Power, or that Ganon has the ability to change his form back into his original human form. Also of note is the similarity between Agahnim's attack patterns and Ganondorf's in OoT--particularly the Energy Pong battle with Link deflecting energy with his sword. A possibility is that he might've used the Agahnim name instead of Ganondorf because of Ganondorf's similarity to Ganon, in name. (As an aside, Agahnim could possibly be a mangling on 'Ganon' itself.) It could also be that Nintendo (either of Japan or of America) possibly chose to name him differently than Ganondorf to provide the idea that you'd be fighting a new enemy in LTTP instead of Ganon, only to have it be a huge plot twist that Ganon 'was' the enemy.

Unfortunately, this is all Original Research, so none of it can get in the article. :/

On a side note, the images in the main article depict Agahnim with a Shiekah symbol from OoT--Are these images from before or after OoT was created? Their clarity and image quality seems to imply recentness, likely from the GBA release?Onslaught Six 09:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Say, just a tick. How could Ganon be Agahnim if Agahnim was trying to release Ganon in Link to the Past? Anon

Indeed. Aghanim being Ganon pretty much negates the storyline to the whole game, unless we're going to start arguing that he wasn't physically in the light world or something. That argument would raise more questions, such as how did he manage to battle Link in Hyrule Castle if he wasn't really there. Does Ganon claim that Aghanim's his alter-ego in the Japanese version? Knight of Ashitaka 15:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

In TWW, he does say to Link that removing the Master Sword released the lock on the rest of his powers (and the lock the sages place on him was supposed to lock him, not just his magic), even though he was previously in the World of Light - it could be something like his deepest core is locked in the Sacred Realm (which may also explain why he never dies until Link tracks him down to the Dark World), but he can still make things like Phantom Ganon, or the more solid Agahnim, that are essentially him (think something like an emanation of Naraku, but not even that independent, but have a seperate body. Like the opposite of split personalities.KrytenKoro 05:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

A brief history of Agahnim

In The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Agahnim is a sorceror who imprisons the seven maidens, one of whom is Zelda, within the Dark World. In the game, Ganon refers to Agahnim as his alter-ego. Link first fights Agahnim soon after obtaining the Master Sword. When he's defeated, he sends Link to the Dark World. Near the end of the game, Link once again fights Agahnim atop Ganon's Tower. When he is defeated, Ganon rises from the dead body, and, after transforming into a bat, flies to the pyramid. Link follows him with the flute boy's bird.

Just noting that I restored a portion of the above user's post which anon user 66.138.24.25 had replaced with a long string of random text. Jeff Silvers 03:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Which manga?

Which manga is being referred to here? There are several mangas (doujinshi, really) based on this game. Davogones 11:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler warning

Rather than accusing each other of vandalism and engaging in a silly revert war over a spoiler tag, I suggest that the interested parties each discuss the merits of including or excluding the tag here and come to a consensus. If you continue to fight, I'm going to protect the page, so stop it. Please evaluate the edit based on its own merits and not your conviction that the opposing editor is either a "wikistalker" or a "vandal". Thank you. Deco 01:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Source of backstory?

The section "Role in A Link to the Past story" looks like it's copied verbatim from somewhere, since it's written like a narrative. I can't find it anywhere else online, so hopefully it's not copied without citation, but it's stylistically unsuitable for Wikipedia. It should probably be summarized and put in the present tense, which would simultaneously take care of the plagiarism issue. Skatche 00:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

"The game manual describes the story behind Agahnim's rise to power. "

Does this character really deserve his own article

As a stated alter-ego of Ganon, and the fact that this character, while major, only appears in one game, wouldn't it be more appropriate to have this character either as part of the Ganon article or the List of LttP characters article? It might be, though, that this article contains so much good info that merging it to either of those and keeping the appropriate info would be destructive, not helpful, so I'd like to hear some thoughts from others.KrytenKoro 05:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I've thought that he'd fit right into a list of LttP characters, but I don't know if there are enough important characters in that game besides Link, Zelda, Ganon and Agahnim to even make an article on it. Anyway, I don't think there's that much important info here to be destructive. It's an explanation on his role on the game, a few sentences on later "appearances", a mention of Warcraft and some OR on Soul Calibur 2. Gurko 15:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Scratch that. Seems like there's been an article like that since sometime in April. Gurko 16:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)