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Merge proposal

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It seems to me that Acid-base imbalance should be merged into this article, as well as much of mixed disorder of acid-base balance. If no one objects, I'll do it. I'm posting word on those pages and the The Doctor's Mess. - Draeco (talk) 04:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Now that I've re-written the article, it seems natural to have an separate Acid-base imbalance article. I might split it out again at some point, but at any rate I think the current organization is much better than the previous 4 overlapping articles. - Draeco (talk) 20:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Arcadian was right when he split it last year. I'm doing it again. Sorry for being confusing - Draeco (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Infobox seems irrelevant

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The infobox "Blood gas, acid-base, & gas exchange terms" seems irrlevant to this article; I suggest remving it. Terry Dwyer (talk) 21:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Before I even read your comment.. ;-) Gorthian (talk) 08:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Acid–base homeostasis

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The discussion in this section is fundamentally flawed on two counts

  1. The dissociation reaction HCO3- = CO32- + H+ is not mentioned. Although the concentration of carbonate at biological pH is rather low, it is not zero. See F Millero, T Graham, F Huang, D Pierrot; Marine Chem.,100,80 (2006) - stability constant values at ionic strength of sea-water.
  2. The Henderson-Hasselbalch equation is, strictly speaking, not applicable as the system also includes the equilibrium H2CO3 = CO2 + H2O (assuming that carbon dioxide remains in solution unless it is exhaled). Petergans (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

more needs to be said about the renal system

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The major product or respiration is CO2, which can be excreted as a gas. I think it might be worth mentioning in the "third level" discussed in the lead that the kidney is also essential for controlling the effects of the non-gaseous products, such as sulfate, on pH.--AJim (talk) 05:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acid-base balance redirect

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Hi, Quercus solaris, Acid-base balance links here, but Acid–base balance (and Acid–base equilibrium) w/ndash now links to Acid dissociation constant. I realized the at Kindey article where I meant to conform to ndash. Not sure which is better. I've been changing a lot of links, hopefully all ok. comp.arch (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Minor discrepancy

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Acid–base_homeostasis#Imbalance gives the numbers 7.32 to 7.42 using a source from 1970, acidosis (at the end of the lede) 7.35 to 7.45 using a source from 2004. I don't have easy access to any of the two sources and the difference seems small, but something may have changed since 1970 (possibly the way it's measured) and the acidosis article explicitly names arterial blood (which may also be the cause of the discrepancy). Doesn't look a big deal, but it would be nice if someone could check it or knows what this is about. I already mentioned this on another talk page, but that one is going to be deleted, so I hope this won't be considered canvassing. 109.119.212.245 (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article mentions a typical difference between arterial and venous blood pH of 0.03, so that's probably it. Not sure if it's worth mentioning with this or another source. 109.119.212.245 (talk) 19:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ref dump from Dietary acid load

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There was some discussion at the deleted Dietary acid load article about saving some reliable sources for improving this article or creating a solid one about PRAL or a similar topic. The former article seemed to have some valid sources, but often didn't represent them fairly. I'm just dumping the refs from that article in case they may be useful, I don't mind if someone removes some of them from this list if they clearly are't considered WP:RSMED, for matters of WP:DUE or similar I would prefer to see a reply or eventually a comment added within the list. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] 176.247.167.221 (talk) 02:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC) 176.247.167.221 (talk) 02:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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