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I think that there should be a section for this, but only if they can be sourced. I think it is important to not only to Aaliyah's fans but also to other people. It is important for people to know the "facts", be they rumors or not;if they are out there, we should know(whether they end up being true or not.) What do you guys think?(And be nice I'm only SUGGESTING this.) I may start it if I feel it is valid, and I WILL source them. I have read many, many rumors about her, some which have been proven true to date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raaliyahent01 (talk • contribs) 05:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
It says years active "1992-present"...erm...she's not alive so how could she still be active or does it refer to her records still being sold?!86.40.220.231 (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
ok i see it's been changed..thanks (sorry didn't have an account when i asked that question so that's why it wasn't signed)Nisior (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Audio Samples
We need some audio samples on Aaliyah.You don't have any of them.You should get We Need A Resolution,More Than A Woman,Rock The Boat,Are You That Somebody?,One In A Million,and Back & Forth.Please,take this into mind.Thankyou!!! Marexl (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Official Movie?
Is there any reason to have a section on the (alleged) movie right now? It seems to be nothing but a string of speculation and uncited rumors. —C.Fred (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER A SECTION WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LEGEND'S ARTICLE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THESE ARE TRUE ALLEGATIONS BUT NOTHING IS FINALIZED EXCEPT FOR THE PERSON WHO WILL BE PORTRAYING OUR STAR SO YES A "MOVIE" SECTION WILL POP UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE MORE UPDATES......—Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.130.223.166 (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
This is one of a number of articles that I've got on my watchlist. It's been a target of vandalism in the past, plus all the rumours flying around, means I keep an eye on it. There's probably a number of other editors who do the same thing. —C.Fred (talk) 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
correction needed
I noticed in the "musical style" section it said "Stephen Thomas Erlewine of Allmusic described her eponymous album, Aaliyah, as not only "a statement of maturity and a stunning artistic leap forward", but also one of the strongest urban soul records of the 1990s".
Aaliyah's eponymous album Aaliyah was released in the 2000's not 1990's so please change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.108.191 (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently made this edit[1] which separated the paragraphs about Aaliyah's death from her career, and it was reverted with the direction to discuss it here. So I am doing just that.
I understand the reasons for keeping the article chronological, but I think the headings are even more important, with the chronology maintained within the sections. Otherwise, someone trying to find out about her death has to look in an unlikely place. The plane crash, and the subsequent lawsuit, are not part of her career and shouldn't be listed as such. I used the following articles as examples: Freddie Mercury - Herb Brooks - Cory Lidle; all are famous personalities who died prematurely, and all have separate circumstances surrounding their death.
I do believe it is appropriate to add a sentence to the top stating that "Aaliyah was killed in an airplane crash on ....", so the career section that follows is better in perspective. I know I haven't edited this article before, and respect others who have contributed a lot to it, so I won't revert and start an edit-war; but I do feel strongly about my article structure. Please state whether you agree or disagree with me, and why. -Sme3 (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I don't feel this format makes much sense, in a chronological sense. For example, it wouldn't make much sense to start the lead about Aaliyah's death, followed by her career. Looking over the article, having her death under "Career" is a bit strange. I think I can compromise, though. We can do something similar to your edit, with some altercations; moving the "2002–2005: Posthumous recognition" section under the "Death" section and rename it "Posthumous success" or something similar, and expand the "2001: Eponymous album" section. What do you think? — Σxplicit03:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I think what you're saying makes perfect sense. I suppose a big flaw in my edit, having a career span past the time of death, is just as odd as death being another phase in a career. Would you like to make the edits, since you're clearly more familiar with the subject matter, or should I? -Sme3 (talk) 12:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I suppose I'll do it, considering the section about her eponymous album needs a bit of an expansion. Unless you're up for the workload. — Σxplicit19:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you've done an excellent job with it. I was lead here by clicking links through some other articles and noticed the awkward structure, but you clearly know more about the content. Thanks! -Sme3 (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
"Aaliyah Dana Haughton[1] (January 16, 1979 – August 25, 2001), better known as Aaliyah "
In the article? I hardly think it's significant or unique for someone to be better known by their first name... I'm going to delete the "better known as Aaliyah" part unless someone can come up with a reason for it to be there Pyrotics (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, it was her "stage name"; on her records it simply said "Aaliyah". I don't see why
"better known as Aaliyah" doesn't make sense to you. Or maybe it should be "known simply as Aaliyah" ?213.118.75.120 (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. FACT: Aaliyah Dana Haughton - was her full name. FACT: She was better known as Aaliyah. This is a perfectly fine article with correct information. Nothing wrong with the article. Mz magnetik (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
GA status?
For most articles about contemp. R&B this is a pretty well-researched and comprehensive article. I'd nominate it for GA but first wonder if there's still any hurdles to be jumped. --Andrewlp1991 (talk)
I'm currently working on taking it to WP:GAN, but I feel the 'Legacy' section is a bit… short. I'm working on expanding that section; should be ready after that. — Σxplicit20:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
R.Kelly Thing
Ok.Everybody thinks that Aaliyah and R.Kelly were married but they both said they didn't right?Well they actually were married but divorced because...well I don't know really why.I think it was because of that rumor. Marexl (talk) 19:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
They both claimed the rumors to be false but Vibe magazine shows the marriage license on which Aaliayah faked her age to be 18 when in reality she was 15 or 16. So if someone could verify the validity of the documents from Vibe that would determine the validity of the rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Star Search
In the early years section, it says that she appeared on Star Search at the age of 10 in 1991. However, Aaliyah would have been 12 in 1991, not 10. Is the year wrong, or her age wrong? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.179.124 (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the music section its gone someone needs to put that back up there with pics.
They need to put up here about Aaliyah's Recital Hall. The new Detroit School of the Arts, a magnificent building built known for it's high academic standards and performing arts has renamed the Recital Hall after Aaliyah in honor of her memory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.14.226.208 (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Aaliyah was born in January of 1979 so unless her birthday had yet to pass she was 12 in 1991. Perhaps she did Start Search in 1989? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
NA Categories
The categories that should be added are not categories that are specific for people of partial heritage nor are they exclusive to those of full descent. It makes no sense why they are not in the article.Mcelite (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)04:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
The are categories related to her heritage. Per WP:Naming conventions (categories)#Heritage, which is a guideline, "Heritage categories should not be used to record people based on deduction, inference, residence, surname, nor any partial derivation from one or more ancestors."[emphasis added] Since Aaliyah is only partially Native American, those categories should not be applied for her. —C.Fred (talk) 04:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
That makes no sense then if that's the case then the African American categories also should not be used. This does not hold a strong case as to why those cats can't be used that is her heritage.Mcelite (talk) 03:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I recently noticed you had added one of the categories back (at a sneaky manner at that, considering the original edit didn't remove the category as it wasn't there). Again, people are not categorized by partial derivations, as explained above. For the record, this article does not contain any African American categories—those were removed as well when I removed the Native American categories. — Σxplicit20:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I still largely disagree with that. By blood she rightfully belongs to those categories despite not being full blooded. Those categories were not created to solely included people whom are full blooded. If they were to only include full bloods those categories would surely almost not exist.Mcelite (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
We've got sources saying contradictory things. At the discography article, two sources say over 24 million. The TV One Access clip says nearly 32 million. —C.Fred (talk) 03:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I would like to point out that using YouTube as a source, specifically this copyrighted clip, is in violation of WP:YT. As for the contradiction, the source that was used prior to YouTube claims that Aaliyah sold 24 records (records, in this case, meaning a combination of album sales, single sales, etc.; also, emphasis on records, which I misread as meaning albums when I first added this reference). I wouldn't be against using a published reliable source backing up this claim. — Σxplicit04:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
On the one hand, I agree that the link should not be preserved in the reference. I mainly left it in as a linking point to show what the link actually was. If we knew the date that program aired, we could just include that as the reference and remove the link. That said, I agree that a printed source would be much easier to verify and is probably the preferable source in this case, provided it's current. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I find it hard to believe Aaliyah sold 32 million albums worldwide when she only sold 8.1 million in the United States (granted, that number may be out of date, but it couldn't have sky-rocketed since then) and 24 million records seems far more plausible. I'd like also like to point out that in the video, they claim Aaliyah was signed at age 14, when in reality, she was signed at 12. This makes me question the reliability of the entire video. — Σxplicit18:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't there some confusion about her age at various points in her life anyway? However, you have a point about the reliability of the source. Based on that, I support a revert to the 24 figure. —C.Fred (talk) 18:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I haven't found any conflicting sources about that aside from the video. Will revert back to 24 million records shortly. — Σxplicit18:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
that makes sense.. anywho, why arent there any cited sources of Aaliyah's Worldwide sales for her albums? does anyobdy know? I read somewhere a while ago that One In a Million sold 8 million worldwide since 1997, but I need more proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I did some pretty heavy research on Aaliyah while writing the article, and I can't say I came across anything that mentioned those figures for One in a Million. If you happen to come across a source that mentions this, we could give it a look . — Σxplicit00:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The Guardian verifies that One in a Million sold two million copies: The gap between One In A Million and Aaliyah, her latest album, cost her sales. The former sold two million, but despite contributions… Also, I'm mistaken above; the album did sell over eight million worldwide (it's even in the article!), which can be verified here. — Σxplicit05:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
pls cite how aaliayah redefined rb/hipHop music
In the end sentence of he intro/lead, it says aaliyah redefined RB/hipHop music. Please cit this. I love Aaliyah's music but we need to stop overstating importance of singers(some stans feel beyonce is iconic..wtf!), even when they're dead. King Michael Jackson (RIP) is the sole artist who deserves all his accolades bc truly he changed not just music & video, but culture(views/aceptance on AfrAm; dress, dancing, hair, etc). & Madonna too when she dies will be desrving of compliments.
Back on topic: pls cite an article or music professional who says Aa redefined music. Thanks. 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
If an edit needs made, discuss it here, and an experienced (non-new, registered) editor can make the change. Anonymous/new users were vandalizing the page excessively, and that's why it was protected. See the template I've just added to the top of the article that explains it. —
C.Fred (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The end of the first paragraph of the crash section reads:
The crew had a flight scheduled the following day, but Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the United States due to the filming finishing early, so they demanded that their heavy equipment be loaded on the plane rather than left behind. It resulted in the aircraft being well beyond the standard weight and balance tolerance provided by Cessna.
This is confusing and doesn't seem to quite makes sense. Is "the crew" the video production crew or the crew of the airplane? They were eager to return, so they demanded their equipment be put aboard? The use of the word so (instead of and) suggests that loading the equipment was necessary for them to return? Why? Couldn't they have left without it?
I think the passage in question is trying to say something like this:
The production crew was scheduled on a flight leaving the Bahamas the following day. However, with filming finishing early, Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the United States, and made the decision to leave immediately by chartering a private plane. Reportedly, they demanded that their heavy equipment also be loaded onto the chartered plane, rather than be left behind for the next day's flight. This resulted in their aircraft being well beyond the standard weight and balance tolerance provided by Cessna.
However, I'm not familiar enough with the situation to be certain that my interpretation is correct, so I hesitate to change the article myself. Would someone more familiar with the exact circumstances of the passengers' decision please make an appropriate edit? 12.155.58.181 (talk) 01:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey there. "The crew" referred to "Aaliyah and various members of the record company". Not the best word choice, though. I've copy-edited the paragraph to clarify it a bit. Let me know if there are any other issues. — Σxplicit02:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Philanthropy section
Aaliyah should have a philanthropy/charity section.
Aaliyah was a Light Lyric Soprano. Aaliyah had a 4 octave vocal range (listen to the song giving up). Highest note: F#5 (I Care 4 You), A5 Lowest note: C3
Where is it documented that that's her range? We've got a reliable source that says she's a soprano, but trying to narrow it down to light lyric soprano based on what's heard in a song is original research. —C.Fred (talk) 19:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Attempt at featured article?
It's been a while since the article passed its good article nomination and has gone through a peer review after that. It seems the article has become stable after the user(s) who kept removing the musical style section has given up. Would anyone be opposed to take this through WP:FAC? — ξxplicit01:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Aaliyah debuted in the early 1990's & emerged victoriously out of the one of the 1990's decade as being one of the best-selling artists of the decade, as well as being the Top-Selling solo female R&B artist of the decade as well with over a combined 11 million records worldwide with her two albums "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number" selling over 3 million,and "One In A Million" selling 8 million respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinynu15 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't think its necessary to have her musical style, etc information displayed because Her family wants Aaliyah and her legacy to be respected and not copied and emulated. also, it would be very necessary if her cemetery information only be told via Her official site, MySpace, etc. for security purposes, there has been issues where people go to cemeteries and steal and do lots of absurd things and the family would be more than happy to keep Aaliyah at peace. There is an Official Movie on Aaliyah as confirmed in 2008, and updates are always being displayed via the official Aaliyahtwitter page [2]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 22:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Musical style sections are critical to understanding an artists music from an academic standpoint. Several articles have this section: Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey and so on. We're not here to glamorize Aaliyah or add plagiarized text (none of the text in the article is plagiarized, by the way). There's no justification for blanking out an entire section just because you don't like it. There is also no reason to omit her burial information—if it's available on all over the internet, omitting it here would do absolutely nothing to stop grave robbing, and I highly doubt anyone would be willing do to that after all the time that has passed. As far as the biopic goes, every story published about it is pure speculation, as the words "rumored" and "reportedly" is no where near "confirmed"—Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. To finish off, Twitter is not a reliable source. — Σxplicit22:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
can you please "READ" like everybody else and see why i said the things i said. and who are you anyway and why are you all over Aaliyah's article like if you're a fan?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 17:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Like I stated above, these things have to be confirmed. Taking one of the sources from Keshia Chante, it states: Ottawa-born R&B singer Keshia Chante, 20, will reportedly be playing late singer and actress Aaliyah in a biopic if the singer and actress' life. "Reportedly" is not confirmed, and we're not here to circulate rumors. Wikipedia is not a fansite, it's an encyclopedia of cold, hard facts. — Σxplicit19:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, in the section and article of the Aaliyah album, as well as other pages it is always saying that its her 'final' album. Truth is it is just her 'latest' album, Aaliyah didn't know she was going to perish and was not going to retire at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 17:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
HEY U DID A GOOD JOB...BUT ADD MORE STUFF..... MAKE IT LONGER SOME OF THE SECTIONS ARE TOO SHORT....
IN THE BEGINNING WRITE AALIYAH IS TWO TIME MTV VMA WINNER AND FIVE NOMINATED GRAMMY POP/R&B ARTIST,ACTRESS,MODEL,SPOKESPERSON(TOMMY HILFIGER IN 1998)
FOR THE MAIN PICTURE CHANGED IT TO AALIYAH HOLDING HER VMA!! ALSO ADD MORE PICTURES LIKE AALIYAH AT OSCARS
SEPARTED ROMEO MUST DIE ERA AND AALIAYH ERA MAKE IT TWO SEPARTE SECTIONS.. also separte the posthomous career and invesgation... u need to have alots of stuff for different eras im not going to write all u gonna write u should already have done that.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterjt (talk • contribs) 01:30, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Musical Style & Image
Someone listed Britney Spears amongst artists who were inspirations for Aaliyah. This is INCORRECT. If anything, Aaliyah was probably an inspiration for her. For one she started the whole teen takeover thing in the 90's. She got her first record deal when she was 12 and "Age ain't nothing but a number" dropped in 1994 when she was 15. After her album dropped, next thing you know we got Brandy, Monica, Leann Rimes, then Britney Spears, and Christina, etc. I know Brit was on the Mickey Mouse club BUT Britney Spears did not drop her first single until 1998 (Baby one more time). So, she wasn't even heard of yet in terms of a recording artist. And Aaliyah with her "street but sweet" style would be widely copied even today with artists like Ciara. So I think that this is inaccurate and needs to be taken out or at least put her in a another section listing artists Aaliyah influenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookie1127 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
fixed. Aaliyah never stated to be influenced By Britney Spears or Nnsync, she just liked a couple of songs from them. Not once has she said she was "inspired" by them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Are You That Somebody???
The article doesn't mention Are You That Somebody?, a single from Dr. Dolittle OST (1998), one of her most succesfull and known songs worldwide --91.64.53.161 (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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This section is pretty much completely out of hand and has become nothing but trivia. I'm not entirely sure how to approach this, as I'd rather not just remove the section completely. Does anyone have any ideas how to go about this? DiverseMentality17:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
It's fact, cold-hard facts...what's the big deal? And under the circumstances of her sudden death, that section illustrates just how much she actually meant to so many people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.222.254.163 (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree that there should be a distinction between a tribute and a mere reference in somebody else's lyrics. I'm not sure where to draw the bright line, but I agree that the list is entirely too long and given undue weight. —C.Fred (talk) 16:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Personally, a flying mention in a song doesn't seem too much of a tribute. For example, Twista mentioning her "Hope" in a single line doesn't seem like a tribute, Edyta Górniak dedicating her album Invisible to Aaliyah is a tribute. What are your thoughts? DiverseMentality19:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
HI, I'M FROM BROOKLYN, NEW YORK AND I'M TALKING DIRECTLY TO OWNERS OF WIKIPEDIA AND TOTALLY DEMAND THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.......... I ALWAYS LEAVE REFERENCES WHENEVER I EDIT AND I DONT KNOW WHY CONFUSED AND/OR COUNTERFEIT FANS AND CRAZY PEOPLE THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BABY GIRL, GO AND VANDALIZE AND PUT UNOFFICIAL PHOTOS UP AND THEN IT NEVER GETS UPDATED AFTERWARDS!!!!!!!!!! HER ALIAS IS BABY GIRL, SHE IS THE QUEEN OF "NEO SOUL" & "URBAN POP" BUT THE PUBLIC EYE DIDNT GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT FROM THE SECOND -COMING OF Janet Jackson (Aaliyah was highly labeled as "THE NEW janet.") THE PUBLIC & PRESS DIDNT GET TO SEE HER "ROYALTY" IN MUSIC BECAUSE SHE PLANNED TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE INDUSTRY AND BECOME MORE THAN A QUEEN OVERALL, SHE "DOESNT" HAVE A NEW ALBUM OR MIXTAPE BEING RELEASED ANY TIME SOON AND YES SHE DOES HAVE A NEW MOVIE WITH Keshia Chante DOING HER THE FAVOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE. xoxo—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs)
If her alias is Baby Girl, can you please specify which songs she recorded as Baby Girl and not as Aaliyah? The alias field is not for nicknames. —C.Fred (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Per the articles, all four of those songs are credited as Aaliyah, not Baby Girl.
Quoting the template instructions for the alias field: "For listing official stage names for the act; also for solo artists who change their birth name. This field is not for nicknames such as 'The Godfather of Soul' (James Brown) or 'Nippy' (Whitney Houston) which are not the artists' actual stage name."
There's plenty of other articles where aliases are in the ALIAS section and Aaliyah's alias is said in "Hot like Fire", "Are You That Somebody?", "Try Again", "We Need a Resolution"............. and it wasnt a alter ego, it was a family name and it was just all HER being herself. YOU'RE WELCOME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs)
Brandy and LeToya dont use stage names and their nicknames are kept on display and i'm not trying to get off topic and talk about other people but i want the truth of our favorite star of all time to be displayed as well and THE TRUTH IS, VH1 WILL BE AIRING "BEHIND THE MUSIC: AALIYAH" REPETITIVELY IN 2011 FOLLOWING THE RELEASE OF THE MOTION PICTURE "AALIYAH" SO ITS ALRIGHT THAT YOU HAVE RULES AND POLICIES ON THIS SITE BECAUSE THE TRUTH WILL REIGN SOON.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs)
Actually, LeToya is marketed as The H-Town Chick, so that is a valid alias for her. But I digress. Truth is good, but make sure it's verifiable as truth and not first-person accounts, related-party accounts, gossip, or wishful thinking. —C.Fred (talk) 02:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
YOU'RE WELCOME, I WILL CONTINUE TO BE SINCERE AND KEEP EXPOSING THE TRUTH (I KNOW MY BIG SISTER IN HEAVEN WAS WATCHING AND KNOWING WHAT I'M DOING FOR HER ARTICLE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
ACTUALLY USER "12.38.132.137" THERE IS AN AALIYAH MIXTAPE COMING OUT.ITS CALLED "OFFICIALLY AALIYAH".AALIYAH HAS BEEN FEATURED ON HUNDREDS MAYBE EVEN THOUSANDS OF MIXTAPES,SO PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL.THANKYOU!!
I think you are missing the purpose of what she is saying. She never came out with a single in which the cover said Babygirl as opposed to Aaliyah. SHe never came out with an album in which the cover read Babygirl as opposed to Aaliyah. Her videos were never aired with Babygirl as opposed to Aaliyah in the place where an artists title belongs. Her Nickname was BAbygirl used affectinately by friends,family, and fans. Hwoever her stage name was always the one word Aaliyah. If we were to cite every name she uses as being a valid stage name then we would also have to cite that Aaliyah Dana HAughton, and Liyah were stage names. My point is that there is a diference between stage and nicknames. If Babygirl is kept in the place of Nickname or also known as section then its valid. But to claim her official name was ever Babygirl is wrong unless you can find an exapmle of one the things I previously mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 14:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually there WAS an album that was released after her death where the title simply read: Baby Girl.. greatest hits. It features Aaliyah, her head turned to the side, revealing only the right side of her face. The picture looks like it had been taken in or around 1994, which was when her debut album 'Age Ain't Nothing But A Number' was released. The album cover is in black and white and it features I believe some of her biggest hit songs and some remixes. It reads something along the lines of "Baby Girl: Greatest Hits." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.185.209 (talk) 08:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Native American category
Here we are once again, discussing the Native American category and whether or not it should be included in this specific article. This was discussed July 2009 and the conclusion was that it should not be added, because there was no consensus to add it. Aaliyah barely has any Native American in her, as the source clear states: "The beautiful baby had black hair and brown eyes and was predominantly African-American with a little American Indian in her blood from her grandmother" (bold for emphases). This hardly holds any weight in order to merit the inclusion of the Native American category. This isn't the first time Mcelite has attempted to force these types of categories in to articles. The exact same issue took place at Beyoncé Knowles. Discussion ensued, and if I remember correctly (it's past midnight here, can I save the reading for later?), nearly every other editor, if not all of them, firmly opposed the addition of this category. Having a splotch of Native American in you doesn't automatically make you a Native American. I see absolutely no reason why this category should be added when it clearly doesn't belong, and the undue weight given to the small amount of Native American that was in Aaliyah to categorize her as a Native American person is completely unwarranted. — ξxplicit08:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
First off shut up Georgia Bird you go by the one drop rule any way...any amount of African American blood and your black that's your outlook and it isn't right. 2nd Its biased as hell and I don't care if we only have her grandmother confirmed as native the matter is she is drightfully of Native American blood and a meets the standard for being applied to the category which I created. I created that category to not exclude those that are not full blood because that is wrong and does nothing but support ignorance. Even if people want to go by the sky is blue garbage she would pass for native easy..she wouldn't be the odd ball on a reservation. Blood is blood and that's my view on it the same if it was vice versa and the only "record" of African American blood was from her grandmother that doesn't mean she has no other African American ancestors. I don't mean to come of mean but it's just comes off biased because I see her native heritage not being respected.Mcelite (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
If you're not going to try to come across as mean, starting your post by telling another to user to shut up really shows you made no attempt to remain civil. What exactly is the "standard" of inclusion for this category? The one you arbitrarily applying to this article? I noticed that, every time this issue comes around, you always bring up the fact that you created the article, which only shows your bias view on the inclusion criteria. The fact that Aaliyah is of Native American descent isn't being ignored or hidden, she's categorized under Category:American people of Native American descent. If anything, it's disrespectful to categorize her as something she has never been classified under. You're free to hold a certain view, but when you start pushing your view onto articles where it doesn't belong—especially when consensus has denied it before—it becomes a problem, and is downright disruptive. I've provided a source which indicates that she's predominantly African American with a little bit of American Indian ancestry, while this source classifies her as an African American. Yes, she is of Native American descent, but she is not a Native American. — ξxplicit19:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I created that category because it did not exist. No she is not full blood native but that is her heritage and that's what I'm saying; that she still meets the requirements of that category. The category includes not only her but other people ex. Cher who is a singer with Native American heritage. I'm not trying to push my views I just can't support the one-drop rule in effect. I would be just as frustrated if it was vice versa. I just don't see it as fair, I can care less of what the media or magazines want to potray her as she is still of Native blood. No different than Henry Armstrong being potrayed as African American when his mother was Iroquios.Mcelite (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
And there you go again... not caring what sources or what consensus dictates, it's your way or the highway. Other stuff exists; the categorization of other articles is not the concern of this article. I fail to see how your arguments here are any different from your arguments you provided in the Beyoncé Knowles article, which, after reading through the discussion, not a single editor supported your addition of Native American foo categories. It's really difficult to have a discussion when you throw out all the arguments of views opposite of yours because you don't like them. "She still meets the requirements of that category..."; your requirements, maybe, but not that of the encyclopedia. — ξxplicit07:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
In the U.S. there is a legal standard (Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990) for whether someone can be called a 'Native American artist'. Basically, an artist has to be registered as a member of a federally recognized tribe, or be certified by a federally recognized tribe, to be considered a "Native American artist". I believe that should be the standard we should apply to categorizing Aaliyah. -- Donald Albury11:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Saying someone is Native American suggests that they actually are enrolled in a Native American tribe, while "Native American descent" generally refers to people with Native American heritage who are not necessarily enrolled. Blood quantum is not always the criteria. The article doesn't mention what tribe she is descended from. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Agreed, but not sure why you are expending so much energy on this one article's inclusion in that category when apparently no one in that category is an enrolled Native American people. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
There's at least one actual Native American in the category (Chuck Billy (vocalist)), but I haven't checked all the pages. A large majority are exactly what Aaliyah is, a descendant. I'll begin cleaning up the category shortly. — ξxplicit21:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Premonitions
Aaliyah had premonitions a month before her death that something bad was about to befall her. I am not sure if it is appropriate to include this in the article because there is no telling what's right and what's not on this increasingly outsider complicated site, so I leave it here:
Aaliyah: Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me.
It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen. Taken from New Woman, January 2005, p 66. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.81.246 (talk) 05:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm have some concerns regarding the reference being used to cite Aaliyah's album sales. To start off, the main story of that article is the alleged Aaliyah biopic, which has been circulating the web since 2008. Two years later, only rehashes of the exact same story has been around. As the supposed film is nothing but bogus, I have reason to believe everything written in it is bogus as well. I have found absolutely no reliable source that backs up this claim of 32 million albums sold worldwide. What I've found was the following: The Insider (an unreliable source, as anyone can submit anything), which took the story from a gossip blog; SOHH, which took the story from the personal blog Music 2 Nite (which may be the origin to the whole damn thing); Digital Spy (just as unreliable) also cites the personal blog Music 2 Nite; Sowetan, which cites Sixshot as the source (which appears to be under construction; I should note that my browser warned me about this site as being malicious); and the unreliable EURweb, which doesn't even display properly. The only possible sources I could find were: Los Angeles Times, but the story is extremely erroneous, as the article states Aaliyah sold 32 million records in the United States alone, while Billboard magazine states 8.1 million albums sold as of 2008; The Arizona Republic, a newspaper in Arizona, simply went with the LA Times story. — ξxplicit06:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm a fan of Liyah so much about researching it. In various sources it is mentioned that Aaliyah sold 32 million copies (as you said).
Several reliable sources cite absurd things, like 32 million albums sold in the U.S. and 100 million records worldwide.
Cited on page "Aaliyah discography" that it had sold 24 million records worldwide (which is outdated).
Sales of Aaliyah are outdated! Because if we follow the RIAA it sold 7 million albums in the U.S. (then again you're right, we should follow the Billboard [which is very reliable]).
The BET channel is a very respected. Even the film being suspended the news is correct (targeting 2008), where the supposed "director" of the film spoke about the project. BET said it sold 32 million albums worldwide.
Concluding my answer:
32 million albums is over 32 million records so I think we should follow the BET. Its source in the discography (The NY Times [or post]) also said about the film.
How do you know the sales are outdated? The source for the 24 million record sales is in the article of the body, under the "Legacy" section: Having sold 8.1 million albums in the United States and over 24 million records worldwide..., and cites this reference, a book from 2008. How can anyone believe that Aaliyah sold eight million additional records (let alone albums!) in such a short amount of time? The references listed above are no older than a year and a half old. The reason I question every single source claiming 32 million album sales is because they all seemed to have got their information from the personal blog Music 2 Nite, or from other websites who got their information from Music 2 Nite.
Additionally, where are the sources for the claims that the film was suspended and that the director spoke out about the film? There's no evidence that film that the film is even planned, let alone suspended; it's all been based on speculation, and I fear it all came from this personal blog. This is exactly why I feel none of the above sources can be counted on to verify the claim of 32 million album sales worldwide. — ξxplicit00:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Unless you've got a better source, anything else is speculation. BET is probably the most reliable source we have until something better comes along. ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 03:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Err, a better source for what? Considering the biopic hasn't officially been announced, all these sources are doing is spreading speculation that appears to have origins from a personal blog post. Along with the film, the same blog post claims that Aaliyah sold 32 million albums worldwide—which all the sources above state, a claim that I'm refuting—which brings into question the validity of this figure given by any source (including the BET source), especially if all the information is coming from a personal blog. If the biopic has no validity as of now, nearly two years after speculation surfaced, how can any other claim in these sources be any more valid? My answer: none of this information is valid. The article has a cited reliable source for the 24 million records sold worldwide claim, but none for the 32 million albums sold worldwide claim. — ξxplicit04:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Again, source your claims. Otherwise you're supposition would constitute original research. You haven't presented any other reason for removing the information other than you have a feeling BET got it from a blog post. No direct sources even suggesting that's true. Sounds like detective work, to me. ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I said that sales of it are outdated because, following the current sales One in a. .. and age nothin '.. should be 3x platinum. She has sold over 10 million copies in the U.S.. that's what I say.
their sales are not wrong. you had supplies for 24 million records.
Now I find 32 million albums and a trusted source. why not trust? is the BET. if you want I got more referrals with 32,000,000 of albums and 50 million records.
I know. = You will doubt 9 million copies (in U.S.) but I have references of:
Age - 3,000,000
One - 3,000,000
Aaliyah - 2,600,000
I Care 4 U - 1,700,000
Total = 10,300,000
Singles:
Back & - 500,000
At ur best - 500,000
The one - 500,000
Umm, both the book that claims 24 million records sold worldwide and the BET article that claims 32 million albums sold worldwide were published in 2008. To debunk one because the other source claims higher album sales is horrendous logic, which is why I compromised and set an estimate using both sources. Adding up album sales based on certifications without a source that actually verifies the total sales is a perfect example of synthesis of published material that advances a position, which crosses into original research. On a side note, I should point out that certifications are based on the amount of albums shipped to be sold, not actual album sales—or, at least the RIAA does it that way, as far as I'm aware—so your figures are, aside from unsourced, quite obviously off. As for your revert, you undid several changes that were made for good reasons: I moved the sources out of the lead and into the body of the article per WP:LEAD, I formatted the references using the {{Cite web}} template as they should be, I removed the {{pp-pending}} template as the pending changes option had long expired, among other several minor fixes.
As for my "detective work", as Digital Jedi Master, if the claim of the film about Aaliyah was bogus—as not a single production company, actor or director has confirmed it (if I'm not mistaken, I think the supposed director even denied such a film to exist... though I could be wrong, I'd just have to search it, but I'm not keen on doing it at the moment)—it's hard to seriously consider that claim of 32 million albums sold worldwide if it comes from the same article, but I've compromised, as I mentioned above. — ξxplicit01:48, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not agree with using networks as the means of providing album sales. BET, like many other television networks, are respected and they do not generally tell their viewers straight out lies and myths, like say Enquirer magazine, or the Globe. But there can be individual programming on any network where that particular show may not be the most reliable for info, although the network overall is reliable. TV networks and also magazines like People or US are not what we should be using to relay album sales data. This is because those entities are not committed to gathering album sales data; that is not their function. Television networks like NBC or ABC, and even music networks like BET, VH1, or MTV, did not come into existence for the sole purpose of tracking and following album sales from downloading or record stores. Billboard Magazine or the RIAA does that; it is their primary function and the very reason they were created. So realistically, they should be the only sources we are utilizing for musical acts when referring to an act's sales of a particular album or their entire career sales. People who work at television networks or other magazines besides Billboard are getting their information from various places. Numerous people work for those entities. Various hosts and producers work on a variety of tv shows and various writers work at the magazines, and sometimes the magazines hire independent writers who contribute a story or article. So everyone is getting their information from somewhere else. I could watch a tv program where the host named "Josh" says that the band AAZ has sold three million copies of the album in the US, and then later watch a show on the same network where host "Michael" says they sold five million copies of the same album. For that matter, Fox network may say they sold 4 million copies of the album; and People magazine may state they sold 6 million copies. Different numbers from different entities (be it shows on the same network or different media outlets) all referring to the same album.
And considering whether you are a big fan of band AAZ, you may want to believe the higher total. And if you can't stand AAZ, you are gonna tend to view the lower total as more accurate; at least a lot of people think that way. But notice if you use Billboard magazine or RIAA for the sales data, the amounts do not jump all over the place. And the RIAA certifies albums when record labels request it. So lets say an album was released in 1994 and sold 3.2 million copies. If the RIAA last certified that album at three million copies in 1997, the act's record label may request another sales count a few years later to see where it stands now. The RIAA will then give the updated sales, whether it be by a few thousand more, several thousand more, or now certified at 4 million. But the RIAA doesn't do this on its own without a request from a label. How could it when there are an uncountable number of albums that have been released over the decades by an uncountable amount of record labels. Those labels must request the sales tally. So again, the RIAA and Billboard is what should be used when determining album sales, not network tv. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 04:31, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Native American descent?
I have never heard of Aaliyah having any Native American ancestry. Even if she did have, its most likely generations ago. Why does every African American/Black female celebrity's article must include some obscure ethnicity background that is otherwise irrelevant?
Agreed. Ethnicity categories should be limited to first generation only. From what I have heard, one of her grand parents may have had some sort of Indian heritage. -- 69.133.90.247 (talk) 05:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
That's an opinion and we are uncertain how much Native American heritage she had, it doesn't matter. Both her African American and Native American heritage are on equal grounds and neither are to be favored over the other.Mcelite (talk) 17:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
How is her native american heritage irrelevant? Because of the one drop rule, that makes everyone Black? Whether her heritage is first generation or not, we are who we are. And if one drop of Black blood makes you black, then one drop of Native American, makes you Native American too. Educatedlady (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Please change "Aaliyah is estimated to have sold 24 to 32 million albums worldwide." to "Aaliyah is estimated to have sold 32 million albums" because it is stated in this video [3] created by TV One Access that Aaliyah indeed has sold 32 million albums worldwide and not 24 million.
Cnwodo (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Not done. The figure is estimated because one source states she sold 24 million records, while another states she sold 32 million albums. Both sources were both published in 2008 six months apart and we can't just pick one over the other just because one reports higher sales. It's best to keep both. — ξxplicit19:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Was there any particular reason why this article was featured on Wikipedia's main page in May this year? Wouldn't it have made more sense to feature it in August, on the ten-year anniversary of her death? I'm a little confused... 109.204.113.111 (talk) 14:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The decision of the "Main Page article" is quite random and rarely repeats considering that there are 365 (366) days in a year and 3,500+ candidates. |helpdןǝɥ|01:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Aaliyah's Exact date of birth
I know that Aaliyah was born in 1979, but I know that it was not in either January (like it says) or October. Please change the DOB to anytime in 1979, except January or October. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catperson12 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
We have reliable sources stating her birth in January. We will not change this just because "you know better". However, if you provide sources for this, your view will be taken into account. |helpdןǝɥ|01:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Contradiction
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[Age Ain't Nothing but a Number] sold three million copies in the United States and was certified double platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).
I don't know what the citations say, but selling 3 million albums doesn't automatically make your album triple platinum. If they didn't get the certification, they just didn't get the certification. |helpdןǝɥ|01:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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Can somebody change the infobox picture to Aaliyah Haughton.jpg because it is a better picture and get rid of the caption that saids Aaliyah in Berlin, Germany, May 2000. 76.217.34.49 (talk) 20:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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where it saids 1979-90: Early life and Career beginnings that should be change to say 1979–90: Early life and Career beginnings because it will make the dash bigger. 99.137.149.253 (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
"Aaliyah was a very talented young girl"her mother said. "She had the most beautiful voice around".Aaliyah was the best "Princess of R&B and soul". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.90.240.28 (talk) 21:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Questions concerning Aaliyah's burial location
yes I heard that Aaliyah is definitely buried in Ferncliff along with Malcolm X and Khahlid Muhammad
When Aaliyah died in 2001, I visited her crypt in Ferncliff Cemetery shortly after her interment. My knowledge of her place of entombment is firsthand; I don't need any sources, articles, or lectures to tell me how and where the R&B singer made her final journey.
Aaliyah was initially entombed in a crypt on the third floor of the new extension wing of The Cathedral of Memories. Her crypt was adjacent to the crypt of Peter Loddo. When the nearby Rosewood Mausoleum was completed shorty after Aaliyah's death, she was moved to a private room at the end of a corridor at Rosewood. Aaliyah now occupies a beautiful "corner private room" in the new mausoleum.
There also seems to be some confusion concerning the terms "burial," "interment," and "entombment." Deceased people are buried in the ground. The deceased can also be entombed in mausoleums and crypts. Cremains are interred in a niche. It is not correct to say that Aaliyah was buried at Ferncliff, because she is in a tomb.
I edited Aaliyah's article to show that she was entombed, but somebody keeps insisting that she was "buried."
I am not going to play musical chairs by changing it back to "entombed" again. People keep referring to a source; my knowledge of Aaliyah's final disposition is firsthand, which is more accurate than any source, article, or publication.
Here's the problem: When you say "My knowledge of her place of entombment is firsthand," what that means to Wikipedia users is that your edits are based on original research and not on published secondary sources. We aren't saying that your edits are outright wrong; however, we're saying that there's no way to verify them against any published sources, so we're going to go to the best published sources available. In the case of Aaliyah's burial, that's against this People magazine story:
The story says "She was buried at the Ferncliff Cemetery in suburban Hartsdale, N.Y." That's why the text keeps getting changed to buried: the published source says it. —C.Fred (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
A lot of the information that you read in books, magazines, newspapers, and periodicals is hearsay, rumor, and conjecture. I learned a long time ago that you can't believe everything that you read in print. The People Magazine article on Aaliyah had some incorrect information. Do you remember the time honored headline in the Chicago newspaper: DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.
Aaliyah was NOT buried at Ferncliff Cemetery. She was initially interred in a crypt in the Cathedral of Memories, and then she was moved to a private room in Rosewood Mausoleum. The best way to verify this information is not through a silly story in People Magazine, but by contacting the Director of Ferncliff Cemetery. The interment records at Ferncliff for Aaliyah will verify that what I have said is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You can bet every nickel you own that Aaliyah was NOT buried in the ground at Ferncliff Cemetery. Also, I am absolutely certain that the author of the People Magazine article did not attend Aaliyah's service in the cemetery. If you know who wrote that article, walk up to him or her and say, "Objection, hearsay."
Also, I forgot to mention that you can see pictures of Aaliyah's private room in her Find A Grave entry. Ferncliff Cemetery does not permit photography without permission, so I didn't want to break the rules by uploading a photo of her interment site into her Wikipedia article.
On June 17, 2013, Chris Brown released a video for the track "Don't Think They Know" from his upcoming X (Chris Brown album) (the album "X" is scheduled to be released on July 16, 2013). Aaliyah sings the hook for the song "Don't Think They Know," but also appears in the music video as a holographic backup dancer. The video ends with a dedication to Aaliyah which reads "Dear Aaliyah. We love and miss you. thank you for inspiring us all."
I believe vocal fach can be identified in part by where a vocalist crosses form their chest voice to their head voice. There is debate about whether she was a mezzo-soprano or a soprano, but I believe mezzo because she could also sing very low - down into the second octave like some contraltos. Wouldn't the most proper classification be in between contralto and soprano (mezzo-soprano)? I don't know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.5.134.3 (talk) 02:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Unless you are unable to access your talk page and see the messages left for you, you should know why your edits to this article continue to be reverted. Dan56 (talk) 03:39, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
The image at Commons has been marked for deletion. If it's an authentic signature, it can't be the uploader's own work. It would need to be reuploaded to English Wikipedia with proper source and license information. —C.Fred (talk) 16:58, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Every time it's a problem with Aaliyah's page edits. What is really going on ? How did it get on Michael Jackson's or Beyonce's infobox then ? --Datyger (talk) 22:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Nobody lied and claimed the signature was their own work. Pretty basic, really. No conspiracies or anything required.—Kww(talk) 22:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Yall don't give Aaliyah no respect...We are Fans of hers...we would know how things should be....everybody so anal over copyrights and deleting images. Ridiculous. That signature was uploaded months ago by someone else and now it is deleted. Disrespectful....Since everyone else is such a guru about copyrights and editing...why is the current image used in Aaliyah's infobox Copyrighted...It is not an original image because it is found in GOOGLE IMAGES ...Nobody Deleted That !!! --Datyger (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Looks like someone pretended to be the photographer and gave permission. It's in the deletion process now.—Kww(talk) 03:58, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
There doesn't necessarily have to be one. She's dead, so , if properly handled and licensed, most images would be OK, including copyrighted ones (the big deal with the images you were trying to use wasn't that they were copyrighted, it was that the were copyrighted and you were claiming that they were your personal property). If the deletion is processed, editors should discuss what one to replace it with.—Kww(talk) 05:08, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
No Discussion About It...She Will Have One. Michael Jackson Has One.Don't Treat Her Pages Any Kind Of Way Because She Is No Longer Living......DONE --Datyger (talk) 06:47, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
No one is treating her page differently. You are being so rude to everyone that it's hard to be polite back, but I don't think that anybody has any disrespect for Aaliyah. There certainly should be a discussion about which image would be best.—Kww(talk) 06:59, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Whether or not we use the signature or picture depends on its licence, not whether Jackson has one or how much respect we have for her. And if you think there will be no discussion you obviously don't know "how things should be" round here. Britmax (talk) 07:04, 9 September 2013
Aaliyah's Influence
Can someone add the artists that Aaliyah have influenced under the category Legacy ? The artists are Beyonce, Ciara, Britney Spears, Keshia Chante, Sevyn Streeter and Cassie. The source and evidence for this statement is found in each of their Wikipedia pages. --Datyger (talk) 21:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
No. I won't do your homework for you, either. If you want to add such a section, please do the research and add it.—Kww(talk) 21:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
What research was involved in asserting "Aaliyah's influence can be seen in such artists as Ciara, Beyoncé, Cassie, Sevyn Streeter, Keshia Chanté, Brandy, Britney Spears and many others. "? What sources did you use?—Kww(talk) 23:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
The sources in all of their Wikipedia pages except for Britney Spears. Also, in many of their interviews on YouTube. --Datyger (talk) 01:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
We can't source Wikipedia articles with other Wikipedia articles. If you want this included, you will need to find out what reliable sources those articles use, verify that they actually support the claims, and then write text in this article that refers to those reliable sources. YouTube is essentially never a reliable source, BTW.—Kww(talk) 01:44, 10 September 2013 (UT)
Here's the source for Beyonce: Farley, Christopher John (November 27, 2001). Aaliyah: More Than a Woman. Simon and Schuster. ISBN978-0-7434-5566-4. Retrieved September 10, 2013. That's pulled from the influences section of her article. We'll need to do the same with all the other artists who say she's an influence. —C.Fred (talk) 03:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
After looking at the attribution provided at File:AAAAAAAA.jpg, my gut says that we should not use that image. It doesn't make sense that 1) a US government employee is taking official pictures at a movie premiere and 2) that she posted it to a blog. —C.Fred (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Would this be a good example of a non-free image for a deceased person? If so, perhaps looking through GoogleBooks for similar Billboard magazine sources. Dan56 (talk) 23:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I know how it's uploaded at Commons and Flickr. I'm raising the question of whether we're sure electrician49 took the photograph him-/herself. —C.Fred (talk) 17:32, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
The image was deleted from Commons because it was flickrwashing and electrician49 was not the photographer of the image, because that flickr user uploaded the image to Flickr yesterday. Lindenhurst Liberty (talk) 20:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello...Does anybody else have Aaliyah images to upload ? ...We can't just leave her infobox without a picture. I have Aaliyah images but it just too much to go through to keep it up. --Datyger (talk) 01:09, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Tbhotch, the continuing problem here has been a lack of competence with Wikipedia image procedures. If you are interested enough in this topic to put forth the effort, what you need to do is:
Locate an image used at some reliable location (an official Aaliyah site, a reliable periodical, somewhere that you feel certain obtained the image legally)
Get a consensus that it's a good image.
Upload it to English Wikipedia (not Commons, as it will be deleted immediately from Commons)
Fill out the licensing to indicate that it's a fair use, marking the reliable place you got it from and including authorship information.
In my experience with other artists, this needs consensus, because every day, week or month someone will start saying "Can we change the picture", "that picture is awful", "the picture doesn't demostrate [Aaliyah]'s real being", etc. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!See terms and conditions.17:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
That's the reason for point 2 above. At least in this case, no one is going to keep arguing that we need later pictures.—Kww(talk) 17:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
OK. How about the current image I uploaded. I didn't claim it as my own original work and Wikipedia said it was properly licensed. There should not be any problems.What do you think ? --Datyger (talk) 03:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
You marked it as CC-BY-SA, downloaded it from some random Polish fansite, and then uploaded it to Commons instead of here, doing so before you had consensus it was a good image. I listed five simple steps. Follow them, in order, and life will be fine.—Kww(talk) 04:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Datyger, is there something about my above statement that you didn't understand? Particularly the step where I said "not Commons, as it will be deleted immediately from Commons"?—Kww(talk) 04:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting extremely frustrated here. After all this discussion, why on earth did you steal an image, upload it to your own Flickr account, and then give away licensing rights that you don't own? Look at my five steps above. Which one of them involved stealing copyrighted work and uploading it to Flickr?—Kww(talk) 05:53, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes....use that image. Finding an image is hard with all this copyright stuff. As an Aaliyah fan, I think that image is great. Now one question? How is that image not copyright ? --Datyger (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
It is copyrighted. The problem you've been having is not that we can't use a copyrighted image to illustrate a deceased person (that's covered under fair use), the problem is that you've been uploading copyrighted images to Commons (which doesn't accept them), uploading pirated images, stealing other people's work and claiming it as your own, and forging licenses. If other people agree the image is fine, I'll upload it with a valid fair-use rationale and proper credit to the copyright holder.—Kww(talk) 07:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I guess. How are other people gonna agree if the image is fine? I think you and I are the only ones talking about the image. --Datyger (talk) 22:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Now that I'm home from work, I can look at the image. I'm on board with it; Kww, if you'd be so kind, do the honors with the fair use rationale and the upload. —C.Fred (talk) 01:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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Why was the image changed? It was uploaded the same way the current one is as a non-free image for identification purposes. --Datyger (talk) 08:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Star search
I read in a biography book that she was at the age of 11 when she had been in star search and she had failed at the age of 12 she signed a contract with jive records... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.107.142.20 (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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Aaliyah was only 22 when she died. Who did she have a child with??????
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Aaliyah had a child name, Lana Haughton, but soon after her family changed her daughter's name to, Bre, becasue they didnt want the media to find out.
The statement that Aaliyah was buried in a silver casket is wrong. It should be changed to:
in a silver-plated copper deposit casket
(Source: talk with a person who worked for the National Casket Co. which produced the casket).
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Change occupation from "dancer" to "singer/dancer". Aaliyah was primarily known as a recording artist before a dancer.
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Question: The present article already mentions the subject being a "recording artist, dancer, actress, and model" (in the lead as well as in the infobox). What specific change you wish to bring about in the article? Anupmehra -Let's talk!11:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I dont see the poiint of the split, unless this page was too long. It seems that most "Death of ... " pages are stand-alone pages as it was the circumstances or consequences of the persons death that was notable, not they themselves. Sometimes both person and their death are notable ie. Death of Diana, Princess of Wales, but I imagine that would be uncommon. The plane crash death of Aaliyah doesn't seem to be notable.
Hey, I just created an article for the biopic Aaliyah: The Princess of R&B. I'm unsure if I should add it into the overall template box for Aaliyah in the bottom of the article, though, since it seems to be solely for works by the singer herself. If anyone wants to add it, feel free. I just figured that it may be controversial. Also, if anyone has seen the film and wants to work on the synopsis section for the film article, please do so since I haven't seen it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)07:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
You need to be more specific about the change(s) to be made. All the date ranges look to properly have en dashes. —C.Fred (talk) 16:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Pseudo-scientific claim under "Death"
"Aaliyah had thoughts a month before her death that something bad was about to happen to her. "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me".[160] It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen"
This suggests that Aaliyah had a premonition, which is a pseudo-scientific claim. The writing quality is also noticeably lower than the rest of the article. It should be removed or rewritten to better fit the content quality and objectivity of Wikipedia. Telinciar (talk) 03:20, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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"Aaliyah had thoughts a month before her death that something bad was about to happen to her. "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me".[174] It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen.[175]"
This was also in the article Death of Aaliyah. It has there been corrected to
"Aaliyah talked a month before her death about her favorite dream: "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me. It's a wonderful feeling".[13] An Indian lifestyle magazine speculated that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen.[14]"
I have removed the content, as the source provided doesn't describe it as a premonition, but as an "eerie recurring dream". -- — Diannaa🍁 (talk) 18:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
"Aaliyah's death had a large impact on both of them as they had been her closest collaborators in the last five years of her career and they owed their initial success to her."
While this statement has a source it is not immediately clear where it is referring to in its current place and form. Both Timbaland and Missy Elliot are mentioned earlier in the chapter so the reader can figure to whom the passing away had the impact out but it would be more clear if the persons in question were mentioned in the sentence by name, thus leaving no doubt who the persons in question are.Noseball (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
None of that stuff was there when this article passed FA review. It does seem to be a bit sloppy, and that sentence is not great either ("as" in this sense is really sophomoric). The paragraph also contains phrases like "Despite this declaration", which is really poor writing. The two paragraphs need to be cut of needless bits and combined, and that will make the "both of them" part clear as well. Explicit, who brought this to FA, is still around, and maybe could be persuaded to clean up what dross has accumulated these last five years. 207.93.13.145 (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
After being tagged for being a copyright violation, the image of Aaliyah that was uploaded on Commons was deleted, and now we have no image. Any ideas? — Σxplicit06:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Find a free image? It stands to reason that somewhere on the web is a fan who had a camera at an event Aaliyah was at and took a pic him/herself. Then they can license the picture under CC/GFDL/public domain and upload it. The key is, it has to be a picture they took themselves and not a Photoshop of an image they found elsewhere on the web. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've actually looked for free images on Flickr—even those that weren't marked as such. The closet thing I could find to a free image was this; the problem is, the image isn't all that great, and those unfamiliar with Aaliyah wouldn't be able to identify her with this image. Should we do something similar as what was done in Selena and use a promotional picture since a free image can't be found and can't be created? — Σxplicit04:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I did some digging with the image I put up. It should work out just fine especially since she passed away in 2001. This is just one of those things were you have to dig alot to find a usable image.Mcelite (talk) 05:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I improved the fair use rationale of the image a bit. Looks like this article is ready to go? — Σxplicit05:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
As currently written, the height comments make no sense. It implies that she grew to accept her short stature. But she was 5'7", slightly above average in height. It's possible that some dates would clear this up, but I'm tempted to delete the material. Unschool08:20, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
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It says in the Filmography section that she appeared in The Matrix Reloaded as "Zee" but on that movie's page it says Zee was played by Nona Gaye. Considering Reloaded was released two years after her death I think this may just be vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.238.75.218 (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Aaliyah died before she could finish shooting the role of Zee, so it was then given to Nona Gaye. All this is mentioned in the link to Zee in that section. Remember, movies take years between filming and release. — Digital Jedi Master (talk)
If there is a solid reference, then yes. In the matrix list it cites killermovies.com. It needs a more reliable reference then that. Karst (talk) 10:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Sure looks like her! How can we know, for sure? Can someone with access contact the contributor of this photograph? I'm not knowledgeable enough about Commons and its ways and methods. Rags (talk) 08:49, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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Under "Posthumous Career" the final sentence of the first paragraph reads -
"In August of the following year, clothing retailer Christian Dior donated profits from sales in honor of Aaliyah.[179]"
Should read -
"The following year, French fashion house Christian Dior honoured Aaliyah by donating profits from sales between 1 and 10 August, of its new Dior Sport Shoe to the Aaliyah Memorial Fund. The same year Dior also hosted the 'Dance for Life' benefit, held in Quincy Jones' Los Angeles home, which raised more for the fund."
Not done: No reason to add this promotional text. The article is about Aaliyah, not Dior. Dior's article can contain the information, if necessary. Eggishorn(talk)(contrib)19:28, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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There are many sources online which state, that the crew forced the pilot to fly the overloaded plane. Right now it reads like the crash was the pilot's fault only. --Renek78 (talk) 07:47, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
The operation of an aircraft is always the responsibility of the pilot: The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. -- United States Code of Federal Regulations, 14 CFR 91.3(a). Whatever pressure the passengers put on Morales, he and he alone had the authority and responsibility to determine of the plane was going to take off with all the passengers and their luggage. He choose.....poorly. Eggishorn(talk)(contrib)15:29, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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Original: Music publication pop dust called Aaliyah an unlikely queen of the underground mainly due to her influence on the underground alternative music scene which consist of heavy sampling of her music and many references that are made to her discography by underground artist, pop dust also mentioned that Aaliyah's forward thinking music that she did with Timbaland and the experimental music being made by many underground alternative artist are somewhat cut from the same cloth.
Revised: Music publication Popdust called Aaliyah an unlikely queen of the underground due mainly to her influence on the underground alternative music scene, which consists of heavy sampling and references to her music by underground artists. Popdust also mentioned that the forward-thinking music Aaliyah did with Timbaland and the experimental music being made by many underground alternative artists are somewhat cut from the same cloth.
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Original: While compiling a list of artist that take cues from Aaliyah MTV Hive mentioned that it’s easy to spot her influence on underground movements like dubstep, strains of indie pop, and in the lo-fi R&B movements.
Revised: While compiling a list of artists that take cues from Aaliyah, MTV Hive mentioned that it's easy to spot her influence on underground movements like dubstep, strains of indie pop, and lo-fi R&B movements.
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Someone named Bylyn Lewis keeps naming himself as Aaliyah's partner at her time of death. In actuality, it was Damon Dash, as explained in the article itself. Someone, presumably Mr Lewis, is changing this fact on this page due to his admiration of her. Please correct this. I am unable to edit since the page is now protected "to prevent vandalism." Ha! Snapper281 (talk) 21:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Name Shouldn't be Used More Than Once
After leading sentence of occupations, the second line should be "Born in Brooklyn, New York and raised in Detroit, Michigan, she first gained recognition at the age of ten when she appeared on the television show Star Search and performed in concert alongside Gladys Knight." rather than having her name being repeated.
Why is some random club night in Dublin mentioned in the last line of the entire article? sounds like a shameless bit of PR from the Sugar Club. Please remove!
What's the story here? The Tommy Hilfiger page says that she was endorsed in 1998 but does not provide a source. This article does not mention a year but mentions that Aaliyah was the spokesperson for Hilfiger and cites it to an article written after her death which dates becoming a spokesperson to 1997. Is there a difference between spokesperson and an endorsement deal? And is there any connection, besides knee jerk atomist two completely unrelated issues, with the whole Hilfiger is racist rumors? I'm still hearing rappers talk shit about Hilfiger so whether he did or did not say that, in fact, it seems, black people are for the most part no longer supporting that brand. Right? So I think it would be strange to suggest that there isn't a connection there I'm just not sure what the story is and how everything connects together. Maybe it is too broad a generalization to say "black people" don't like Hilfiger, but it certainly is the case that a lot of rap music disses on Hilfiger. When did that start? Well oddly enough, the rumors that Hilfiger said a bunch of racist stuff hit the internet in 1996, one year before the article claims Aaliyah became their spokesperson! So it does seem like something is happening here, just exactly what, I don't know. For now, though, I will avoid Hilfiger clothes just to be on the safe side. See you in 3D Kanye, hahahahaha
Aaliyah w/Biggie
Aaliyah sang with Biggie on "One More Chance" you can still see the video on you tube. I was really shocked that it was her since there are several versions of that songs and they dont always mention her<ref>doreen
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Typo
The typo is in the text "...fans who were selected to be apart of the film...".
"Apart" should be "a part". I'd fix it but this article is protected or something.
Marriage
Since the marriage was fraudulent and annulled would Kelly be considered her husband? The Marriage certificate was obtained through forged documents.
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If the tribe doesn't claim them, it's self-claim. No matter how much we like them, self-claims are different from tribal enrollment or documented heritage. We've been over this. Discuss, don't revert-war. - CorbieV☊☼00:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
In what world are any of the sources saying that this is a self-claim? You have two sources that state her heritage both from RS. There doesn't seem to be a problem stating her African American heritage when it's coming from the same source. I know tribal enrollments quiet well and just b/c the tribe isn't jumping up down screaming she's Oneida doesn't negate her heritage.Seminolegirl94 (talk) 00:53, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Please post the sources from the Oneida Nation that source that Aaliyah was Oneida. I think we'd all love to see them. Thanks. - CorbieV☊☼01:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@CorbieVreccan: That may be the local consensus among Indigenous Peoples project participants, but it doesn't seem to be supported by any actual policy or guideline. Native American descent is based on ancestry/genealogy, not tribal heritage, and can be confirmed by sources that meet our normal reliability standards. Independent non-Native experts have the ability to verify these claims; they are not necessarily "self-identified" just because the supporting source is not tribal. –dlthewave☎03:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Descent has to be proven. Many of the tribes, including the ones that are most often claimed , have kept better genealogical records than non-Natives. We are using genealogical records. What did you think we meant? If people can't source it, it's just a claim. I'm not sure what you think "tribal heritage" is. We're not talking oral tradition, we're talking hard copy documentation. If there's no record, if the genealogy is not sourced, it's "self-identified". And that's what I'm asking for, actual sources. Statements made in an interview aren't sourced genealogy. If you'll read the articles by people in the field, "Native American" is not a race. It's based in citizenship. You can be a descendant of that community, just like you can be a descendant of a country without qualifying for citizenship, but there will be records of your ancestors. If it's too far back for there to be any documentation, the person is probably not culturally connected anymore so it's not a solid claim. Actual descendants can name relatives and ancestors who are known and verifiable in the community. It's not as complicated and mysterious as non-Natives think it is. - CorbieV☊☼03:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Done. — Σxplicit 06:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
— Σxplicit 19:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Not done. The figure is estimated because one source states she sold 24 million records, while another states she sold 32 million albums. Both sources were both published in 2008 six months apart and we can't just pick one over the other just because one reports higher sales. It's best to keep both. — ξxplicit 19:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Not done: File:Aaliyah Haughton.jpg has been tagged for deletion as a copyright violation. NiciVampireHeart 20:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Done Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 20:06, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Question: The present article already mentions the subject being a "recording artist, dancer, actress, and model" (in the lead as well as in the infobox). What specific change you wish to bring about in the article? Anupmehra -Let's talk! 11:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Already done —cyberpower ChatOnline 08:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
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