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That was before it turned out that the perpetrator was a AfD and Musk fanboy, and AFAIR even before the attack itself. It should be changed accordingly.
As it is written, it seems to be a reaction after the attack, and after the perp's social-media history became public. (IIRC Musk gave the cited statement before the attack, and afterwards reacted by accusing Chancellor Scholz of lame-duckism, and then the perp's political leaning and social-media habits were revealed and I am not aware if Musk has said anything on the issue since - which is probably wise, since the perp repeatedly cited Musk to "justify" his murderous agenda.) 2A0A:A547:22A4:0:C9BE:3FA8:1520:B410 (talk) 19:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support the inclusion of Musk's opinion, he is a prominent billionaire enterprenuer, political donor, activist and conspiracy theorist. I mean, come on, he is one of the richest and most politically powerful men in the world. His opinion is included in 2024 British riots too. Theofunny (talk) 15:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't support including Musk's opinion because there isn't enough to directly connect him to the story. The criteria used to include his comments could apply to many individuals. However, I do acknowledge that his opinion, along with those of some others, is interesting.
He responded to the story by claiming that the migrants anti-Islam advocacy was a "scam". Musk's response has received significant coverage in RS. Firecat93 (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is sufficiently connected to the story by virtue of being an influential figure on the side that the perpetrator has also belonged to, and by virtue of him spreading disinformation about the incident. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, the suspected perpetrator is described as Islamophobic. Would it be appropriate to state that this is disputed, and that many argue that he is a Muslim who practiced Taqiyya to hide his religion? Is this a fringe view? Would like to hear Wikipedia's thoughts.
Yes, this is indeed a fringe view. The people pushing this narrative are ignoring explicit statements by this guy, and projecting their own narratives onto him, b/c it undermines their politics. There is no evidence that he was "secretly muslim" or whatever, but plenty of evidence that he was anti muslim as stated by the authorities themselves. Midgetman433 (talk) 01:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Islamic attackers aren't known for hiding their religion. We should have a section in this wiki and Taleb Al-Abdulmohsen clarifying the meaning of Taqiyya - hiding one's beliefs to avoid torture or getting killed (most Muslims don't even know it) and debunking claims - including the out-of-context sarcastic Hamas comment. I will add a sub-section since I am too inexperience with wiki to write long paragraphs Cherry567 (talk) 09:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why aren't we taking in account his cultural background and nature of the attack? Whether or not he said it, he was influenced by Islamic extremism. Treating such incidents separate from each other is disingenuous to the problem that Islamic fundamentalism poses. 62.80.225.198 (talk) 13:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's focus is to document events and inform people. It's good to highlight why such incidents happen. Criminal background, failed integration, cultural upbringing of the attacker/s. Even if they claim to be non-religious, this attack was no different from ISIS. 62.80.225.198 (talk) 13:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Islamic theocracy is enforced on a state level in a dozen Muslim countries, including the country the attacker is from. There is also this small, little problem called Jihad, which caused numerous terror attacks in the Middle East, as well as in Europe. People seem to forget critical thinking when it comes to Islam. 62.80.225.198 (talk) 10:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Our focus is to accurately summarize what reliable sources say. If most (reliable) sources are including such a topic about his upbringing, then we should add it. If they are not, we shouldn't.
Sarcastic? That man was threatening an actual pro-Israeli Arab. I've checked who he was responding to. He's also been found to support Omar Abdulaziz and ISIS. In addition, many ex-Muslims have accused him of threatening ex-Muslims. We can't suppress this information. Linkin Prankster (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd recommend adding that, though there is no motive found, it is suspected that his motivate was retaliation at the German government's treatment of Saudi refugees within the lead. This information is stated in the Investigation section of the article, so it would really only be moving pre-existing info into the led for better clarity.108.48.53.155 (talk) 01:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
