Talk:2023 Indian Premier League

Attendance

Isn't there any way to record the attendance of every game from any reliable source (like how it is done for all top leagues in the world: Premier league, NFL, AFL, etc.)? Few years back, they counted the attendance for one season and IPL came in the top 5 leagues in terms of average attendance (with 30k+). Such things are always good for the brand and value of any league. Not necessary, but I am just trying to see if people here would be open to explore such idea. Arka 92 21:58, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Redirect is needed, please

Can someone please create IPL 2023 as a useful redirect. We have this shorthand for earlier tournaments. Thank you. 92.17.1.242 (talk) 07:23, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, User:Jisshu. Thank you very much for doing this. It is really useful. Best. 92.17.5.232 (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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Why team name list in lead, it can be below?

WP should move it in subsection. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 04:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Venue

Do not do any changes or edit this is my own work completely licensed. Thank you Kansplain (talk) 05:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

GA nominated

Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Rock Stone Gold Castle Looks like way to soon to be nominating it for GA. The season hasn't started, and so there is very little text content, which is the main part of the WP:Good article criteria of broad coverage. In addition, one section is orange-tagged as needing expansion (which is an immediate fail criteria), and on a one minute look, I've added multiple citation needed tags. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The article also likely fails the GA stability criteria, as there's lots of editing/reverting going on. And it isn't broad in its coverage, because aside from not having anything useful about matches, it has almost no content about the draft or squads. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:25, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I think draft & squads are mentioned is article of each of these IPL teams. Fan are made sep article for each team's this season. You should look it first. Simple WLs of them in this article will be enough. For ex there have article about CSK'S this season- "Chennai Super Kings in 2023 season". Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

There still needs to be some content about it in this main article too. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

How to add W. links of that 10 article to this article, I mean what section should we have create now? Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 09:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Given the history of editing on articles like this, this shouldn't go anywhere near GA until the seasons been done for at least a month. Far too much unproductive editing and general MOS failure is going to happen until then at the least. Once it's stable it might be possible to consider it. I'd suggest trying to work on one of the past seasons perhaps and see how that goes. But you'll need well written prose. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I will also point out that most of these reasons are the same reasons why your nomination of the 2019 IPL failed: Talk:2019 Indian Premier League#GA Review. Maybe try fixing that older article first, and come back to this in a few months time, when there will be actual content about the matches? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Broadcasting

Do we really need to list every TV channel that's broadcasting it? We currently have 12 countries listed (seemingly at random), plus the MENA region, which is way too many in my opinion, as Wikipedia is not a TV directory. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

We obviously don't, but others will point at lots of other similar articles that list all the broadcasters. I'd strongly support the removal of any broadcasters table - on the grounds we're not a directory - and a limit of two paragraphs which describe the key broadcasters in the country the league is being played in - unless there are overwhelming reasons why we should mention, for example, New Zealand or St Lucia or Mongolia... Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I removed lots of unreliable, poorly sourced material out of it. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 05:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, we're not an advertising, ticketing website, so why do we have a whole paragraph on how to buy tickets? Not encyclopedic content at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, Ok your more experienced than me brother, you can remove, if it against WP policy. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 11:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:2023 Indian Premier League/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 09:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm quick-failing this nomination. Firstly, it meets Criteria 3: "It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags." However, as this competition hasn't happened yet, it is simply too soon. Starting this evening, the article will undergo constant changes for the next two months. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 09:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Impact subs

Note: Have adjusted my original comment. What is the point of listing impact player subs, when we don't list the 11 other players per team that play in the match. بلال طاہر please explain why this is encyclopedic material to be added, and not just WP:TRIVIA. This is an encyclopedia for enduring content, not Indian sports fandom, and I don't believe that in a months time, anyone will care who subbed for who in this match. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Joseph2302 According to my knowledge, this is a new rule introduced in IPL 2023 and it includes a significant change in the starting XI. So it's a separate information which must be highlighted and which is also separately disclosed by our source ESPN Cricinfo. بلال طاہر (talk) 17:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

It's a new rule, but that doesn't explain why it must be shown? It's not encyclopedic information in my opinion, and the onus is on the person adding content to justify it. Why would a substitute player be more notable and important than 11 players who play the rest of the match? Just seems like IPL fandom to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning in the prose who the first was, perhaps. Or if there have been any notable successful subs (or totally epic fails). But we don't need it in match summaries - they're far too long anyway. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Blue Square Thing No that's a new rule and are not too long. They are also included in ESPN Cricinfo's summaries and their importance over starting XI is the fact that these are changes during the game, which need to be mentioned. بلال طاہر (talk) 00:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

All the information you need is on the (score)card.

In this article the match summaries already make up between two-thirds and three-quarters of the length of the page (in a reasonable wide desktop browser window using an old skin - it's worse in the new skin). By the time they get finished it'll be at least 75% - look at last year's article. That's 75% of an article's real estate made up of scorecard data (or, put it another way, information directly copied from an external source). They're too long as it is - and you want to add another line to probably just about every one? Why not add the reserve umpire, referee and TV official as well - CricInfo also include them.

You're already looking at an article which arguably has significant issues with NOTSTATS anyway (prose makes up less than 20% of the length of last year's article). We should arguably be using something like Template:Cricket match summary at best anyway - that at least would reduce the article size to something that makes it readable. People can click the link and look at the scorecard. It's why we give them the link. Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

As below, I support NOT including this trivia on the match summaries. Spike 'em (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I think we should imply sort of protection in this article

Hello admins,

I think we should imply sort of protection in this article. Because as the event will continue for the next two months it will be heavily unauthorised edited. So ...

Thanks :D HridoyKundu (talk) 13:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Agreed with @HridoyKundu Virander Sirohi (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Incidents section

I don't think we need a separate section for it, as per Wikipedia:Controversy sections. Of the "incidents" listed:

1. A floodlight failure is trivial, and could be included as a note on the relevant match summary if it affected the match
2. Street dog entering the ground is trivial information, and has very little encyclopedic relevance. Again, if it had an actual effect on the match, it should be listed as a note on that match
3. Pant tribute can be moved to the Delhi Capitals season article when that is inevitably created. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:34, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. If the floodlight failure is indeed unprecedented I'd like to know how. I've seen loads of games have issues with floodlights in all sorts of sports. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

But this article is about IPL and in IPL or cricket its unprecedented. If you can tell any cricket/ IPL match where game is halted for 40-50 minutes just due to arena operators can not switch on floodlight then you should tell us with refs. We'll not call it unprecedented and will remove it. Its a big time and huge fiasco for world's no 1 cricket league. Fans slammed BCCI for this debacle on twitter. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The dog incident delayed a match start by 5 minutes, seems like utter WP:TRIVIA to have it listed: [1]. The floodlights should be mentioned in the notes of the match where it happened if it had an effect on the game, not in this MOS-violating controversy section. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

And the "Criticism" section also violates Wikipedia:Controversy sections. Whilst the content in it is probably notable, we should be aiming for sections with a variety of summarising content on this event, focusing not just on negative aspects, rather than random paragraphs of controversy text all over this article. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

We should write in NPOV, why not mention critisism? Cricinfo is a notable source. While seeing this season's games live, I felt same that matches are happening with slow speed, it going till 12 AM. And Cricinfo published also wrote about it, they also felt that. BCCI is not following the rules match should be finished in 3 hr 20 min but they're going 4, 4.30 hrs. So why not criticize? Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

If you think incident, criticism section is against any WP policy, feel free to remove it. I myself was going to remove that scet but thought to give this opportunity to you. I think your a more experienced editor, you know all the guidlines of wp, your a perfect man, so you can't make any mistakes ever. Your free to revert my edits, happy editing, cheers. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 20:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Opening sentence

The 2023 Indian Premier League (also known as TATA IPL 2023 for sponsorship reasons and sometimes referred as IPL 2023 or IPL 16- do we really need every single possible name someone could call it? Seems excessive to me. Also, linking TATA violates MOS:BOLDLINK, so can people stop re-linking it? Joseph2302 (talk) 13:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

But wp rule says that, according to me, WP should include all the popular, official names Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 19:33, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

"According to me" is not a valid Wikipedia rule. This article needs less pointless fandom, not more. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I think you don't fimilar about IPL and you don't watch on TV, that your not understanding some points including, "Impact player rule" and its importance. Most of the time commentrators, anchor call this tournament "Tata IPL", and no one often call its IPL 16. TATA IPL is more common name than IPL 16. So why not include common name and mention lesser known?

And Impact player is an imp rule, now in IPL, the substitutes are playing deciding role in the match. I don't how editors write about substitute in 'Football' match/tournament article, but if they mention it than we should also mention it. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The 2023 Indian Premier League (also known as TATA IPL 2023 for sponsorship reasons- TATA is already there. We don't need to list TATA IPL and TATA IPL 2023, that's just illogical. And the impact player rule is a separate issue, so stop trying to string lots of things together in one confusing, badly written complaint. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for awaful writing, my bad, I was in hurry. I understand your point, no need to repeat Tata IPL, its mentioned in Tata IPL 2023.

I think we should write somewhere in summary - who substituted whom !, How it usually written in ' Soccer' articles? Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Venue image sizes

We shouldn't be hardcoding the sizes of images, especially to make them too large, as it makes the table too wide, and having to use a scrollbar to view is a MOS:ACCESS issue. I think I've fixed it by setting the image size to thumb, so it should auto-adjust based on screen sizes. Please let me know if that didn't have the desired effect, or caused some other issue, but please do not just set the values really large for every image. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Format

There are conflicting sources on the format, and how many matches people play against each team:

1. [2] says teams in the same group play each other twice
2. [3] says that team in same group play twice, and teams play one team in opposite group twice and everyone else once
3. The official IPL website just lists every fixture, but doesn't explicitly mention what the format of matches is

I presume that number 2 is correct, as it's well sourced (and number 1 doesn't add up to 14 matches per team). Can anyone find some confirmatory/contradictory sources for this? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

https://www.iplt20.com/matches/schedule/men.

Just by listing down teams playing twice and once with a team. It can be seen that a team plays once with same group teams and twice with other group teams. Carry out above procedure with MI and CSK, it'll be enough to validate.

(Other×2)+(Same×1)=14

(5×2)+(4×1)=14 103.28.247.2 (talk) 16:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The format for the 2023 regular season reverted to the old double-round-robin group stage that was used before 2019, but the article lists both formats; perhaps it was copy-pasted from the article about last season's format? Menzador (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It's not double round-robin, as that means every team plays everyone else twice (which would be 18 matches per team). Joseph2302 (talk) 06:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

This season's logo

The logo in this article is not of this season. This season's logo have image of TATA Group logo, its name. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 05:17, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Is there a specific logo for the 2023 season? The TATA group logos I've seen are just generic logos with TATA Group on them, that aren't specifically just for the 2023 season. Unless there's a specific logo that can be shown to be only for 2023 season, then we cannot use it, as Wikipedia has strict rules for use of copyrighted logos, and generic non-free IPL logos cannot be used on season articles (WP:GETTY point 14). Generic TATA IPL logos have been deleted multiple times for not meeting these criteria. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:55, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, IPL (in its logo) include, title sponsor's name and logo. For example in first IPL, there was logo including logo and brand name of DLF (Builders). The current logo on this article and other season's articles are not accurate. You can see authentic logo in this video shared by office streamer JioCinema [4] Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 13:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

And a generic TATA IPL logo was deleted this morning specifically because it didn't meet all the criteria for non-free images. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:18, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Points table

Actually in icc tournaments like world cup if 2 or more teams tied with points, then position is decided by the following things 1. Points, 2. Wins, 3. NRR, 4. H2H result(for full round robin) , 5. Original seeding But in this case, wins is skipped here? In the least cases, if NRR is tied, what will they do here? H2H result can be skipped because it is not a full round robin. 2402:8100:2576:B1D7:0:0:67B2:1916 (talk) 07:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Its very rare that NRR Of two teams are same with same no. Of points and wins. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 07:21, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

What will they do in that case?

ODI matches will be tied in very rare case. Still they have planned alternates for knockouts. In this procedure, super over also ties in rare case(we have seen two ties in super over). Still they have given alternates. So, this should also have the alternates 2405:201:C036:C15E:AC74:7557:BF9D:D5E4 (talk) 09:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

If the IPL has published their tiebreaker criteria, we can list it here. But it doesn't look like they have done. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Impact players

Do we really need to mention who the 12th best player is for each team for every match? Spike 'em (talk) 11:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Nope, we don't mention the other 11 players, so why would the one substitute me more important? There seemed to be a broad consensus not to include it when discussed above #Impact subs, yet the fandom editors keep re-adding it. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Apologies didn't notice that! I concur with you and BST that we should not mention routine use of subs. In articles where the full card is listed (finals?) then add as a footnote to that, but otherwise don't. Spike 'em (talk) 13:18, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Just saw the discussion, from now on we will not add impact players. MNWiki845 (talk) 14:22, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2023

Change in the format section. The current version says - "A team will play each team in the other group twice (home and away) and will play once with four of the teams in the same group." Whereas according to the article in the citation, it should be - "A team will play each team in the same group twice (home and away) and will play once with four of the teams in the other group."

Here is the proof from the article - "In the group stage, each team plays 14 games facing the other four teams in their group two times each (one home and one away game), four teams in the other group once, and the remaining team two times." Jdesai97 (talk) 00:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing out that error. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Instance

A fight between Kohli and Gambhir happened after match on 1 May. Referee fined them by their whole match fees. https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/lsg-vs-rcb-live-score-ipl-2023-lucknow-super-giants-vs-royal-challengers-bangalore-todays-ipl-match-43-latest-scorecard-101682930588666-amp.html&ved=2ahUKEwj1tJrDgNb-AhVtWGwGHVqLCOoQ0PADKAB6BAgiEAE&usg=AOvVaw0tJFIX2hOP10PeBWQQD0Td WP should write it.Tesla car owner (talk) 06:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Match summary colours

The colours in the two tables in the "match summary" section use the same colours but for different things. This is really terrible for accessibility. Notwithstanding the fact that both tables violate MOS:COLOR, particularly Ensure that color is not the only method used to communicate important information. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This seems to be a wider template/module issue, so will raise at WT:CRIC. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Add qualifier 1 winner

Csk won qualifier 1. Change it. 150.129.164.86 (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Expand Administration

Currently a one liner isn't enough, it is however, enough to describe the problem

AkIonSight (talk) 15:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Why is it needed? The name of the IPL chairman isn't relevant in my opinion, so why would we need any further irrelevant details? Joseph2302 (talk) 15:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)