Talk:2022 Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption and tsunami/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Please update with "Volcanoes and Climate: Sizing up the Impact of the Recent Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai Volcanic Eruption from a Historical Perspective"

Please add this info the the article. I featured it in 2022 in science, currently like so:

Atmospheric scientists report that the 2022 volcano eruption in Tonga, Pacific Ocean – the largest recorded volcanic eruption since 1991 which reportedly cooled global climate by ~0.6°C during 15 months – did not have a cooling effect (volcanic winter) of significance to global climate change (i.e. a cooling of ~0.004°C during the first year).

Moreover, I think this should be moved into a subsection of either #Impact or #Volcanic activity (where it is currently located without any subheader).

Please also update Timeline of volcanism on Earth#Overview of Common Era (in the table there please also add a reference to the claim that the Mount Pinatubo lead to "Global temperature fell by 0.4 °C" – the reference I used above said around 0.6°C and not 0.4°C.

Then also add it to List of large volcanic eruptions (possibly by reverting this).

I think it would be good for both of those pages to include a very brief note about how much cooling was (not) caused / that not a lot or any significant cooling was caused.

I'll also post this to the talk of one of these pages and I'd like to avoid adding it myself, for example because I'm not that knowledgeable on volcanism / volcanoes.

References

Prototyperspective (talk) 20:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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The Divine Comedy is an Italian narrative poem by Dante Alighieri, begun around 1308 and completed in around 1321, shortly before the author's death. The poem's imaginative vision of the afterlife is representative of the medieval worldview as it existed in the Western Church by the 14th century. It helped establish the Tuscan dialect, in which it is written, as the standardized Italian language. It is divided into three parts: Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso. The subject of the narrative is the state of the soul after death and presents an image of divine justice meted out as due punishment or reward. In the poem, Dante travels through Hell, Purgatory and Heaven, and is accompanied by three guides: the Roman poet Virgil (who accompanies him for all of Hell and most of Purgatory), Dante's muse Beatrice (at the end of Purgatory and for most of Heaven) and Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (who guides him in the final cantos of Heaven).

This oil-on-canvas painting, titled Dante and Virgil and completed by the French artist William-Adolphe Bouguereau in 1850, depicts Dante with Virgil observing two damned souls in eternal combat in Hell. Capocchio, an alchemist and heretic, is being bitten on the neck by the trickster Gianni Schicchi, who had used fraud to claim another man's inheritance. The painting now hangs in the Musée d'Orsay in Paris.

Painting credit: William-Adolphe Bouguereau

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GVP bias?

The article appears to disregard VEI estimates by recent academic studies and go along strictly with the GVP's estimate. I don't think hiding the findings of academic studies is the way to go. --Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 12:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe GVP is biased. In many volcano articles on Wikipedia, they use the GVP. HurricaneEdgar 13:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I think that's more a suggestion of bias towards the GVP number. Poli and Shapiro (2022) give VEI~6, whereas Yuen et al. (2022) give VEI 5–6. Vergoz et al. (2022) give a value of VEI=5.8 - note that Poli and Shapiro are in that author list too. It's clear that VEI≥5 is well-supported, although using the higher number in the lede should perhaps wait until other groups weigh in. I don't see a problem of putting those other estimates in the article, even if we use the GVP figure in the infobox and the lede. We should perhaps mention the existence of other estimates in the lede, however. Mikenorton (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I should've titled the section better. I meant to say that the articles about this event seem to lean heavily to the GVP. I would think adding VEI 5–6 in the lead and infobox is an option to address the claims by multiple sources. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 23:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

It's also important to remember that the GVP is not the official determinator of the VEI of any eruption. The use of the GVP is just an arbitrary choice that has been made to help with consistency. The mention of other sources of info is just as important as the GVP number. I contacted the GVP about their VEI 5 value and they stated to me that this is just a preliminary value, not their final rating. Maple Doctor (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Deaths, injuries and missings

The table in the "Impact" section says there are only 4 deaths and 14 injuries in Tonga and under the "missing" column there is just "some", which is not even a number or an estimate. Maybe it was based on some early reports, but now that half a year has passed, do we have any better numbers? Betty (talk) 07:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Comparison with Taupo Hapete eruption.

It transpires that the paper David A. Yuen; Melissa A. Scruggs; Frank J. Spera; Yingcai Zheng; Hao Hu; Stephen R. McNutt; Glenn Thompson; Kyle Mandli; Barry R. Keller; Songqiao Shawn Wei; Zhigang Peng; Zili Zhou; Francesco Mulargia; Yuichiro Tanioka (18 March 2022). "Under the Surface: Pressure-Induced Planetary-Scale Waves, Volcanic Lightning, and Gaseous Clouds Caused by the Submarine Eruption of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai Volcano Provide an Excellent Research Opportunity". Earthquake Research Advances. Article in press. Elsevier. doi:10.1016/j.eqrea.2022.100134. S2CID 247550313. Archived from the original on 24 March 2022. Retrieved 24 March 2022. quoted the old pre 1995 discredited date for the Hapete eruption of 180 odd CE when corrected date is now accepted to be 232 ± 10 CE. See Illsley-Kemp, Finnigan; Barker, Simon J.; Wilson, Colin J. N.; Chamberlain, Calum J.; Hreinsdóttir, Sigrún; Ellis, Susan; Hamling, Ian J.; Savage, Martha K.; Mestel, Eleanor R. H.; Wadsworth, Fabian B. (1 June 2021). "Volcanic Unrest at Taupō Volcano in 2019: Causes, Mechanisms and Implications". Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems. 22 (6): 1–27. doi:10.1029/2021GC009803.. I have clarfied the sense of the quote from the first paper which has a point in that the atmospheric injection event could well have been more extreme, if not so consequential as the Hapete eruption was likely to have been on biosystems. ChaseKiwi (talk) 20:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Animated Image Is Distracting

The animated image is distracting and makes it difficult to read. Is there a consensus to hide it and pick a different image for the top of the page? chbarts (talk) 06:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

One year aniversary

Today marks one of the biggest eruptions in modern day history. Congrats to everyone who created this page till now. TheEasternEditer (talk) 18:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Audio of the Eruption Video

It is in dubstep TreborAl42 (talk) 06:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

bro who's trap beat is that 💀 Crazyeditor23 (talk) 14:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Restoring title "2022 Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption and tsunami"

I moved the article back to its previous name since the rename (2021–22 Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption and tsunami) by @Amakuru had no consensus. I restored the title 2022 Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption and tsunami because the year range misleads readers that a tsunami also occurred in 2021. The only time events of 2021 was relevant in the article are three paragraphs—none mentions a tsunami also. The bulk of the article discusses volcanic activity and tsunami of 2022.

I'm opening a discussion to see if anybody agree/disagrees with the restoration. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 02:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dora the Axe-plorer: The very first sentence of the article reads "In December 2021, an eruption began..." If the scope of this article covers both the eruption and the tsunami, then it seems like it should be titled with the year range of the whole event. Which readers were confused by this? It seems like accuracy is more important than avoiding am unlikely misunderstanding in a title, anyway... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

the tsunami part ... ? Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 11:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This article covers both. The eruption started in 2021, so it is inaccurate to label it "2022" only... I don't understand why that would be confusing for anyone.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The volcano was declared dormant on 11 Jan 22—that was the end of the Dec–Jan eruptive sequence, directly quoting Tonga Geological Services. The 14 Jan and 15 Jan events would be a separate eruptive episode.

The title isn't completely wrong; there were eruptions in both years that were closely-spaced in time. The way I read it; including both years gives me the impression there were tsunamis in both years as well. There are no mention of a tsunami in 2021 and that's where I question the title, Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 12:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)