Talk:2020 Stanley Cup playoffs

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Sportsnet has announced the Exhibition Game schedule

https://www.sportsnet.ca/schedule/2020-07-29 - is this something to be mentioned in the Exhibition Game section, too? I would have added it myself but I don't know how to do the "coding"... --Gambuso (talk) 10:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

We're not planning to do anything overly detailed with this section. The only plan is to document the scores and dates of these particular games and that's about it, plus a lot of these games are being broadcast locally, not nationally. Deadman137 (talk) 11:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Splitting proposal

I propose that sections Qualifying Round be split into a separate page called 2020 Stanley Cup Qualifiers. The Qualifying round is considered to be its own section, like the finals. The playoffs are the traditional 16 team format. AmericanAir88^(talk) 21:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: Will only support if this proposed separate page includes much more content than what would typically be found on something like 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs#Stanley Cup Finals, where we still list on the main playoffs page a summary of the series and all the box scores. Otherwise, it would largely be redundant. A better example would probably be the listing of the box scores on 2019 IIHF World Championship#Group A despite still having the detailed 2019 IIHF World Championship Group A page. Yes, the playoffs are traditionally a 16-team format, but there have been other instances in other sports leagues where the postseason was temporarily changed, such as when the 1982 NFL strike resulted in an expanded 1982–83 NFL playoffs. So basically my final opinion will depend on what summary content will remain here on 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs#Qualifying Round. Zzyzx11 (talk) 22:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
• Doesn't make sense to do that as the NHL has confirmed the Qualifying round is part of the playoffs and these are all playoff series. Why would we split them off from the main Playoffs article, they're not notable in and of themselves, but only as part of the entire tournament. We have a separate Finals article because those series are notable in and of themselves, being the championship series. Jmj713 (talk) 23:34, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
• Definitely not supporting this, mainly because if you scroll towards the bottom of this article, under statistics. [1] You can clearly read that the league considers all 24 teams to have made the playoffs and that all best-of-five series are considered playoff series and therefore should not be separated from the main article. This is also backed up by records.nhl.com in the playoff standings section by looking at the franchise records of the Winnipeg Jets (for ease). The section claims that the Jets have made five playoff appearances and have been in seven series with a current record of 2–4, now we know that the team made the playoffs in '07 (in Atlanta), '15, '18 and '19. So the only way to account for the extra playoff appearance and series is if you're including the scheduled series against Calgary this year. Deadman137 (talk) 01:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Evidence

@Zzyzx11: and @Jmj713:

• See This page. They do not call the Qualifiers the Playoffs. They claim that "The winners of those series will advance to the first round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs against the four teams from the round-robin." They are not considering the Qualifiers as a first round. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• This article explains it well. It has a separate logo and is meant to simulate the regular season completion. AmericanAir88^(talk) 00:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Nothing strange, the first round is still called the First Round. There's just now an additional round called the Qualifying Round, necessitated by the fact that teams did not all complete the same amount of games. Jmj713 (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

This really still does not address the primary concern I mentioned in my previous comment. If editors like Jmj713 and Deadman137 still want to post short summaries and the box scores on all the qualifying series games directly on 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs#Qualifying Round (like what happens directly on 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs#Stanley Cup Finals), AND the new 2020 Stanley Cup Qualifiers just would merely duplicate that content instead of adding additional content upon it, then there is no reason for a split. The primary reason why there is a separate article for the Cup Finals anyway is due to rule #1 of WP:SPORTSEVENT: "The final series (or single game when there is not a series) determining the champion of a top league". The Cup Finals article tends to get more attention as more people want the document additional content for each game in the Finals series. Will there be enough traffic to generate such additional content in the upcoming Qualifying Round? Zzyzx11 (talk) 18:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with my fellow editors here, as I am the one who normally posts game summaries of the first and second round, conference finals, and even detailed game summaries for the Stanley Cup Finals, I will be doing the same with the qualifying round series. It would be unnecessary to create a new page for this special occasion, mostly due to redundancy. Since the qualifying round and round-robin still have playoff stats, then there would be separate stats in two pages. It is a good question to pose though.Conyo14 (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect information in "Playoff Bracket" table?

The following statement "(Pairings are re-seeded after the first two rounds)" is included within the "Playoff Bracket" table. Isn't this incorrect? My understanding is that teams are going to be re-seeded after every round. Bunkyray5 (talk) 23:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

For the purpose of the template it is consistent with what was used from 1994–2013 once four teams remain in each conference which utilized a similar format (top remaining seed against lowest remaining). The reason for this is because we don't know what teams will advance and who they'll be playing after the Qualifying and First round. After that point we can use a direct path for the final eight teams, the wording is for the visual setup of the template. Deadman137 (talk) 23:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

We Skate for Black Lives

So this was excised because it was first two NBC only?, but it seems to have a clipshow before the Sportsnet/CBC aired coverage as well. -- 65.94.169.16 (talk) 02:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Each game is preceded by a "We Skate for Black Lives" presentation, in association with the Hockey Diversity Alliance. The presentation is an anti-racism effort by the NHL.

References

Your claim that each game is preceded by a We Skate for Black Lives presentation is verifiably false. As the league itself only stated that they would make the presentation before the Chicago/Edmonton and Montreal/Pittsburgh games on August 1st. Also upon watching all of the openings of the five games today, none of them featured this presentation.

Now if we get into another issue with your edit, you give undue weight to the Black Lives part of the league's "WeSkateFor" initiative. The league is planning on using this initiative for many other things, not just focusing on your chosen cause. Also this likely is not the right article for this outside of at a best a one sentence mention as this is a league issue and would be better suited for the main league article. Deadman137 (talk) 03:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Round robin

I'm still not clear how to treat these round-robin games. They are being considered playoff contests for stats purposes, it appears. Therefore, I believe, we should work out a way to include these games in List of NHL playoff series. These single games are not a series as such, obviously, but that list is intended to be a matrix of all playoff games played by all NHL teams. We just never anticipated we could ever have a single-game playoff contest in the NHL as we did in the pre-NHL days. Jmj713 (talk) 00:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

They are not series between two teams (four teams), but they are playoff meetings. So we should not include it in the List of NHL playoff series, or at the very least as part of the list itself. But there can be an addendum or a note or a table at the bottom mentioning the round-robin series of 2020. For example if Vegas and Dallas actually meet this year in the Second Round or Conference Finals, then a note/asterisk can be put next to the series mentioning they met in round-robin series.Conyo14 (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Honestly, even the league is unsure how to calculate these games. Currently they are counting them in the team's playoff records for 19–20. Though they have not updated the all-time postseason record vs. section. For now I think that we should wait and see how they classify these because we have three weeks until this may pop up as an issue. Deadman137 (talk) 01:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Quick update, so the league added these games to the overall playoff game win/loss records for each team and did not change the series totals or series win/loss records. I'm going to use Vegas for this example as they have the shortest playoff history amongst the eight round robin teams. So if you check the Golden Knights' league records you will notice that they are listed as having played the three other western round robin teams for a total of zero series and have played one game against each other team. Deadman137 (talk) 06:23, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, sounds like our list is correct then. Jmj713 (talk) 12:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2020

Change upcoming game times to include EST--consider adding the MST times for games played in the West. 174.3.133.80 (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: While I understand your request, we had to pick a time zone and this serves more people and is consistent with what the league publishes. Deadman137 (talk) 05:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2020

In the last sentence of the lede, suggest change of "WHA" to "[[World Hockey Association|WHA]]". – 108.56.139.120 (talk) 02:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done. Link added, but without the pipe; no need to use the abbreviation on first use. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 Aug 2020

In playoff format: Correct werr to were "These games werr played with regular season overtime and shootout rules, with the clubs accumulating points like the regular season, and any ties in the round-robin standings were broken by the regular-season points percentage. The eight lower seeded teams in each conference played in the Qualifying Round, a best-of-five series with playoff overtime rules. The winners of these seried advanced to face one of the round-robin teams in the First Round.[4]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disinfectguarantee (talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done Deadman137 (talk) 20:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Korpisalo record

Not to downplay his performance from game 1 against the Lightning but should it be noted that he set a modern-day record as the NHL acknowledged in a thread from their PR Twitter account? Other sources seem to vary on the wording between modern-day and just saying "NHL record". For whatever it's worth, List of NHL records (individual)#Goaltender shows the record from 1932 (despite it contradicting the tweet from the league on the number) so not sure where the consensus is there considering it says right at the top it's a list of records recognized by the league. Tampabay721 (talk) 06:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

This is one of these weird bits of NHL history. The overall record is from 1932 but the recognized one is from this month, now both are accurate, but this comes down to an issue about the rules of the game that we're in effect at the time each game was played. The NHL considers the modern era of hockey to have begun in 1943–44 when the red line was introduced, not only that but even the rules used in 1932 were vastly different than what was used just a decade later. From 1943–44 to present day the basic rules of hockey (rink dimensions, offside and icing) have been more or less the same over that time period and because of that this is how we end up with two different records for the same statistic. Deadman137 (talk) 13:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah I see, I had never realized that was how it was! Tampabay721 (talk) 17:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

WP:NPOV suggests that both records should be listed. Jwolfe (talk) 18:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Lede is incorrect about western Canadian teams

The lede says "It also marks the first time since 1986 that all four teams in cities based in Western Canada made the playoffs."

Edmonton didn't make the playoffs. They played in the qualifying round, which was made necessary by the fact the regular season wasn't played to completion. The qualifying round was to qualify teams for the playoffs. It's not part of the playoffs themselves but a substitute for the remainder of the regular season. Edmonton failed to qualify for the playoffs.198.161.4.32 (talk) 13:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say but you are incorrect. The league declared that all teams playing in the Qualifying Round were considered to have made the playoffs and have played in a playoff series. In regards to the western Canadian teams, if you click the following two links [2] [3] and scroll all the way down to Year-by-Year Record - Playoffs you'll notice that both Edmonton and Winnipeg have a playoff record for the 2019–20 season despite being eliminated in the opening round. Deadman137 (talk) 15:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

TV

Why are we doing TV for round 2 when we didn’t even do it for round 1? Mastergerwe97 (talk) 06:51, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Merger discussion

A 2020 NHL Bubble article was recently created, with most of the content copied from here. I assume it was modeled after 2020 NBA Bubble. The issue I have is that the situation is different. In the NBA bubble, both the last set of 2019-20 NBA regular season games and all of the 2020 NBA playoffs are being played, and therefore it made logical sense to have a central article for the NBA bubble. On the other hand, the 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs is more similar to the MLS is Back Tournament, in that both the NHL and MLS bubbles are only being used for a specific tournament. And to date, an 2020 MLS Bubble article has not been created yet. So unless this new 2020 NHL Bubble expands on much more content instead of merely repeating the gist of the information, I would recommend that it be merged back here. Zzyzx11 (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

This can also be merged with the season article. It just seems like a lot of unnecessary information that wouldn't get as much traffic. Plus it is just a copy-and-paste of what we have here. Conyo14 (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

We definitely do not need a stand alone article on the bubble. As already stated, it doesn't offer anything that different than what we already have here. Deadman137 (talk) 20:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

There is some unique information there, but it could be folded into this article or the season article. Doesn't seem like another article is warranted. Jwolfe (talk) 01:48, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

There's a lot of information that could easily be merged from the 2020 NHL Bubble page onto the Playoff page (brackets/schedule). But, there's some unique things such as the media information, which will make for a much longer Playoff page. In all honesty, does anybody REALLY care which hotels they stayed at? That seems like information that will be as stale as this morning's fish wrap very quickly. Robertjm (talk) 00:45, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 NHL Bubble#Media impact basically duplicates 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs#Media, like most of the rest of the content. The hotels that each team stayed at could easily be written in a few sentences, just like in those articles cited, instead of expanded into a bulleted list. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Strong support for merge. The Bubble article, as mentioned above, merely duplicates the existing content from the 2019-20 NHL season and 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs articles. No need for a separate article when all that information can be contained within the existing articles. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 16:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Support As pointed out from the start, there's no need to have basically two articles where one of the articles contain mostly duplicate information contained in the other. -boldblazer (talk) 01:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I merged the "Return to Play Plan" section into here, and redirected the Bubble article back here. I personally do not think the hotel information is notable, but it can be readded if someone finds it useful. Natg 19 (talk) 09:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Why locked?

i'm not trying to add anything and i have no complaints -- just curious! i assume something to do with BLM strike/postponement, but that's happening even moreso in basketball, and *their* playoff pages aren't locked.

in general is there a place with a notation when someone locks a page? i tried right-clicking lock icon itself thinking maybe, but.... 66.30.47.138 (talk) 06:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

This page prior to being semi-protected was subject to a lot of vandalism (a lot of traffic and unverified information), so the admins put this in place to prevent unregistered users from editing the page.Conyo14 (talk) 00:18, 1 September 2020 (UTC)