Talk:1867 Atlantic hurricane season

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Possible sources and references for this article... Part 1

Some interesting graphics, and other data, about the 1867 season from Unisys Weather. http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/1867/index.html Their data comes from NOAAPORT at the National Weather Service. To use any of their graphics on Wikipedia (I don't know if you'd want to) you would have to contact them in order to get their agreement to an appropriate image license. Ask if you need help with this. It's noted here [1] that Unisys images are non-free (and therefore can't be used on Wikipedia).

1867 season track map on Commons. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1867_Atlantic_hurricane_season_map.png

Do you need any free track maps generated from raw data? You could try to get this working, or I could set it up myself, or you could ask one of the people who already has it working. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Tracks

Note the existence of this: San Narciso Hurricane This is an article about Nine in 1867. It needs some copyediting and also the years in the Infobox seem to be wrong. It's been proposed that it be merged into 1860–1869 Atlantic hurricane seasons but if your 1867 season article goes ahead, it could be merged into that instead.

1860–1869 Atlantic hurricane seasons cites "Marshall, Logan (2001), Sinking of the Titanic and Great Sea Disasters, San Antonio: The Vision Forum" as a source for some of the damage done by Nine. See if you can find information from this book, either at Google Books or in a library.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdeadlyapp2.shtml talks about approximate numbers of deaths from the early August and early October hurricanes in 1867, and http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdeadlyapp1.shtml talks about deaths from Nine. Check http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdeadlyappref.shtml for their sources.

More to follow.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Short addition....

This http://www.gobierno.pr/NR/rdonlyres/49EA64D0-305B-4881-8B85-04B518004BD5/0/Ciclones_en_PR.pdf is cited as a reference for the article San Narciso Hurricane. It's in Portugese but it's relatively easy to make out the most important parts of what it means. So for example it seems to be saying that the hurricane passed the island of Sombrero (we can find out where that is) between 6am and 2pm on the 29th of October, and at St Thomas a barometer showed atmospheric pressure of 28.5 inches of mercury (we can convert that to millibars or whatever it is we need) and there were winds of 74mph. It also says that at St Thomas it caused 600 deaths from drowning and (I think) sank 80 ships. The next couple of sentences are rather harder to translate without knowing any Portugese, but they briefly describe effects on other places and its time of arrival there, but without numbers. Then it mentions "211 deaths" which I think is a total of deaths on "all the towns" of a different island (we can clarify the exact details of this if we get help from a Portugese speaker). As you probably guessed, 600+211 is where the "811+" number comes from.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: 28.5 inHg (970 mbar) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bviscubadive.com/RMS%20Rhone/the-account-of-lvessey-regarding-the-hurricane.pdf - primary source but very significant - mentions the late July hurricane, as well as giving a whole range of details about the effects of Nine and some weather observations including rainfall on specific dates. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bviguides.com/Domains/bviyachtguide/featured_article/editorial/the_rhone.html - not quite the ideal sort of source, but something in it may be useful, plus possibly some of the images might come in useful later if they can be appropriately licensed. http://www.bviscubadive.com/RMS%20Rhone/ - similar.

This http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7328913-disaster-and-disruption-in-1867 would be an ideal source if we could somehow get access to it...

I don't think these are of any use as images, however they are maybe useable as evidence that the relevant storm did have an impact in Texas - http://www.flickr.com/photos/41131493@N06/5218812865 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/41131493@N06/5218818005

This was a surprising search result - http://fosoc.net/pdfs/Bullet%20RHONE%20WYE.pdf - it's actually brief details of a plot (a piece of ground) in a cemetary on the south coast of England - a memorial to those who died on the RMS Rhone and the RMS Wye. The associated website is run by cemetary enthusiasts, who might well be willing to get a photograph (the site is updated regularly).

Note that the RMS Wye and RMS Conway, both lost in Nine, do not appear to have their own Wikipedia articles... and I believe all ships are automatically considered notable.

This is an image of a source. http://cgi.ebay.com/1867-Harbour-St-Thomas-Ship-Wrecks-Hurricane-Old-Print-/310276350942 The illustration is interesting to give you an idea of what it looked like "the morning after"; the name and date of the newspaper issue is also visible so that might be worth following up.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for Two needs some additional info

It doesn't appear to be referring to this URL: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/history/index.html which, confusingly, doesn't appear to mention any storms that correlate (by dates) with any of the storms listed in this 1867 Atlantic hurricane season article.

Really this reference needs a URL so that it can be cited better.

A list of Dr Landsea's publications is here: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/landsea_bio.html --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I guess it's this? http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/Partagas/1865-1870/1867.pdf Perfect, that's an excellent secondary source.

In which case, it's part of this: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/Partagas/1865-1870/Intro_65-70.pdf and see the top of the second page for the author - not Chris Landsea.

I'll fill in the URL and author details for the reference later today. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]