Help talk:Pictures/Archive 1

Archive 1

Placing images behind text

I was wondering if it would be possible to place an image behind text, as a background. I'm pretty new to the wiki format, and perhaps I just haven't read the right article on it yet, but in case I don't find it, any assistance would be wonderful. 65.24.170.5 21:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Resizing and Captioning

I need help. I'm finding it impossible to resize and caption an image. My friend and I have spent the last hour atleast trying to work this out.

I am also have a problem with resizing thumbnails. I am not sure why it is not working as I do have GD library installed the 'frame' function and caption works, but not so with the 'thumb' function. -- phprak June 19, 2007 16:52 (UTC)

Aligned image throwing off page

I am using wikimedia on my own website. Trying to put an image in with a frame at left and the page is suddenly thrown off. The "white space" where the text appears extends past the edges where it should, cutting across the logo, etc. This doesn't occur if the image is just by itself without any alignment.

Any idea why this is happening? More importantly, how do I fix it? 72.83.162.52 00:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

wikimedia commons

how can i use an image i find on the commons on wikipedia?

Help!

I seriously don't have enough time to put in a pic for Chappell Hill, Texas. It is from an outside site-other than wikipedia-and I would like a volunteer to put it there if possible (the link is there) and would like a pic of the Chappell Hill Watertower. Thanx, if you do. Just reply if you can't put it there. Jim Bart

Can a outside image link to the page and show it?

Like this: File:Http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/Mediawiki.png

No. -- Infrogmation June 28, 2005 16:26 (UTC)

Pages

Should this article be split into a multi-page tutorial as the Wikipedia:Tutorial is now? --Rj 07:17, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

(As the one who wrote the majority of this) No! It's not nearly long enough to merit a breakup, and that would only serve to create (yet more) documentation pages. There's already far, far too many of those as it is. Keep it as it is. If it gets *significantly* larger, than we can reconsider this. Furthermore, most of the later examples depend on earlier ones, in which case, I want them kept as closely together as possible. →Raul654 07:20, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

Styles

I've added a section on avoiding stackup problems. I use a slightly different style to Raul's, one I think makes the article clearer. I'm using html PRE tags for example wikitext, and specifying an explicit (different) font for the example text (as I think it's hard to differentiate between the article's own didactic text and the that of the examples). Naturally the article should feature only one of the two ways of doing things, and I'm not especially attached to mine. I'll change one section or other to match its counterpart - which do y'all prefer? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:48, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I like the co-align the best. --d8uv (t) 08:37, 2004 Mar 27 (UTC)

The first line of the PRE-text in the latter examples runs into the images! -- till we *) 13:43, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

(Sorry, forgot to say: on Netscape 7.x, 1024 pixels screenwidth, Win32 system) -- till we *)

I'm not seeing it. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8 (d8uv.com edition) -- d8uv (t) 21:14, 2004 Mar 27 (UTC)

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"All work and no play makes jack a dull boy." We've got to stop working or what :) -- Taku 05:46, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

If you weren't already aware, it's a reference to the greatest horror movie of all time. →Raul654 05:49, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

No TV and no beer make Homer something, something... Dori | Talk 05:51, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

Go crazy? Don't mind if I do. →Raul654 05:52, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware of that movie. I really didn't know this hidden agenda. How scary really. -- Taku 06:02, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

[Um, it's a centuries-old proverb you know.] I've not seen that film, so that reference passed me by completely.  :) fabiform | talk 08:36, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

So it someone going to remove the "jack" graffiti or what? I'm new so I'm not sure how to do it.

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is ist possible to include references in image captions?

If by 'refernces', you mean links to other articles - No. →Raul654 22:12, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)

If by 'references', you mean links to other articles - Yes. As of Mediawiki 1.3 :-) - Omegatron 19:24, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, *now* it is (notice, that question is 3 months old) ;) →Raul654 19:30, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

This is the Palace of Westminster in London

Archived from the village pump

I just had the opportunity to refer someone to the lovely Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial. Couple of questions, though--

• In my browser, at least, the example using div to put two images directly underneath each other has the text running underneath the uppermost image. Is it just me or is there something amiss with the markup?
• Tutorial doesn't address having images without the thumb box around them but with having captions (as can be seen in Dog). Is the markup at Dog the approved markup for that sort of thing? And would it be nice to have such markup added to the tutorial?

Thanks! Elf | Talk 20:56, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Those thumbbox-less syntax are remnants of the old syntax, before this new one was in place. It's the same. I personally think we should change all old ones to the new syntax to avoid confusion. --Menchi 08:59, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I agree about changing the markup around images to conform to the new standards. It's just another case of Wikifying things.

Is it a good idea not to specify a width for images (unless there's a good reason for doing so in a particular case, of course). If no width is given the thumbnails default to 250 pixels wide which is the recommended size anyway. If that recommendation changes in future, the default could be altered and all unspecified images would change to the new standard without the need to edit each one. What do others think? - Chris Jefferies 17:33, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If this is the case, I was not aware of it, and I'll go back to the images I've created and remove the width specifications. This is, as you say, a good idea, for the reason you mentioned. - RealGrouchy 13:00, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Picture tutorial torture

Here is the Deal:

I am struggling with posting pictures, which I realize is my problem, and not yours. HOWEVER, I just printed off the 11 page Tutorial and it went fine until I tried to use it. That’s when I discovered that ALL the codes, tucked neatly into little boxes, did not print. All I got was the outline of the box.

This does not seem right.

Carptrash 19:15, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC) carptrash

Pictures or images?

It might be better to be consistent and call them "images". This makes it easier for new users looking for other tips on images, which are in articles with names containing "image" not "picture". ··gracefool |☺ 00:36, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Image maps

Is it possible to add image maps (ie where you can add linked areas of an image?)

No. →Raul654 18:14, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

I could really use this feature for the bridge article taxonomy. Leonard G. 02:23, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Misleading tags

Not being a very experienced Wikipedia user, I believe some tags are different than stated in the surrounding text. For example, in the paragraph where [[Image:Wikipedesketch.png|frame|Here is a boring caption]] tag is stated, in fact [[Image:Wikipedesketch.png|frame|none|This picture was Stevertigo's entry in the Wikipedia mascot contest]] is used. Am I right? Matevzk 22:37, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Commons

How should this page be updated to reflect Wikimedia Commons ([1])? Hyacinth 04:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(If needed at all, this single sentence should suffice:) Images on commons are automatically available to all projects, and can be treated exactly the same as images on this wikipedia →Raul654 04:21, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

What about Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons? Should we encourage users to upload to the commons in the first place? Hyacinth 08:36, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Odd picture flowing

In editing CADPAT, I spent some time trying to align two pictures next to each other. In the end, I used a table. Originally, the images were just included with plain [[Image:foo.jpg]]; having two such tags in a row meant you had two picturs next to one another. I tried to convert to frames, but couldn't find a setting that led to similar behaviour - with [[Image:foo.jpg|frame|none]] they were not displayed next to each other. Why is this?

In the end I used tables, so I'll be bold and just go ahead and put that in. --Andrew 03:31, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

I made this too. :D -SV|t 23:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) Ps Needs something on his shirt though. Maybe "Pickyweedia"

Pablo's edits and me reverting Yath

Recently, Pablo converted this page from the all-work-and-no-play-makes-jack-a-dull-boy text that I used when writing this page over to Loren Ipsum, which (after doing a quick google search on the phrase) I found out is basically the industry standard for typsetting. I would have used it myself if I knew what it was when I wrote this page. Also, Pablo added different captions for each of the galleried pics, which was a definite improvement. Yath reverted these edits as unhelpful, but I disagree and I reverted back. →Raul654 09:19, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Sticking to the lorem ipsum text because of a perceived industry standard is pointless. The question is whether the page is made more usable and helpful to its readers by the use of it. You may argue that using text from a dead language is less likely to be distracting, but in my opinion it just makes the page as dull as dirt. --Yath 10:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, umm, I don't really think "All work and no play makes jack a dull boy" repeated 10,000 times is going to make this article one iota more exciting. →Raul654 06:49, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Inacuracies in tutorial?

I recently used this tutorial to add my first wikipedia image to the article renewal theory. However the suggested form [[Image:Wikipedesketch.png|500px|Proposed Wikipedia mascotte]] made no difference to the size of the image. I was only able to successfully specify the size of images with help from another wikipedian who suggested combining the size attribute with the thumb attribute as follows: [[Image:Wikipedesketch.png|thumb|500px|Proposed Wikipedia mascotte]].]

Is the tutorial inaccurate, or were my problems a special case? Thanks, reetep 14:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Resizing a picture to larger-than-it-actually-is no longer works as of mediawiki 1.4 (at the very least, it no longer works as I documented here). I just haven't had time to update. →Raul654 15:04, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

I was trying to reduce the size of the image. Any ideas why it didn't work? Thanks, reetep 16:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

The tutorial does it, and it works fine. No offense, but I think you were doing something wrong. →Raul654 06:53, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

No offense taken - I very likely was doing something wrong; I'm just interested to know what it was. I'd like to understand what was wrong and from there to determine whether

1. I was stupid in my interpretation of the tutorial
2. the tutorial was inaccurate
3. the tutorial was accurate but lacking in info/ misleading etc

If the tutorial can be improved for the benefit of future newbies like me, then that can only be good. Would you mind looking at how the problem was fixed by the user RI to see what it was that I was doing wrong? The only potential problem that I can see is that I was using 'frame' in combination with the size attribute. Would that necessarily cause trouble? reetep 12:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, that's easy! (It took me about 3 seconds to notice the problem). The frame tag *forces* the picture to stay at its original size. In other words, it overrides the size indicator. Let's say you have a picture called blah.jpg and it is 1000px x 1000px.

blah.jpg|frame|300px|caption <-- the picture would show up at 1000x, because the frame tag forces it to be its original size, even if you tell it what size to make it.

If you want to resize a picture and have a caption, you *must* use the thumb (or thumbnail) switch, and you *must not* use frame. →Raul654 12:48, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help, that's great.

This sounds like something that should be improved - I have also encountered this - Leonard G. 02:26, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hasn't this page been vandalised? It's covered in latin and large paragraphs why rhyming words. I mean, I'd fix it, but I'm just surprised no one else has spotted this. Maybe it's meant to be like that? But why... I have no idea. So, has it been vandalised? --Gonnas 23:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you read Lorem ipsum →Raul654 23:40, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. This is why I asked before erroneously fixing it. --Gonnas 23:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I've linked to Lorem ipsum at its first instance in the tutorial. - dcljr (talk) 06:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Picture Tutorial Torture 2

As mentioned before by Carptrash, there are about 11 different tutorials on how to add pictures. While I can cope with the technical wiki-syntax, I can't get my head around all this copyright and fair use stuff. Couldn't someone who understands this make an easier tutorial... ONE tutorial. Like a step-by-step guide for the dummies?!? --Allycat

There are only 3 that really matter - this one, the copyright faq, and the how-to-upload-a-file FAQ. →Raul654 20:56, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Rotation

Is there any way to rotate an image? I need it. --Yoosef 17:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

In Wiki-markup? No. →Raul654 17:47, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

do you mean, there is another way to do it or is it impossible? --Yoosef 06:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

The only way to do it is to rotate it in photoshop (or some other graphics program) and upload it as a seperate image. It's horribly ineffecient, and you really, really shouldn't be doing it. →Raul654 06:54, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

SVG images might become rotatable when parametrized SVG is implemented.--Joris Gillis 20:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Distinguishing dummy text

I've taken the liberty of coloring (with <span> tags) all the "Lorem ipsum" dummy text to help make it stand out better. In two places a different font was used for the examples, but I've removed this since it wasn't being done consistently through the tutorial. Someone else can add font-changing styles to my span tags (and/or change them to <p>) if they want. Oh, and I'm not sure the color was the best choice, but someone else can decide that, too. - dcljr (talk) 07:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

linking to images in other languages

I want to make a link to an image in the German Wikipedia ([2]), but I can't figure out how to do that. DirkvdM 11:35, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, it can't be done. You can only use images uploaded to the english wikipedia or to commons (which are "common" to all the various wikimedia projects). →Raul654 16:55, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Well, of course it can be done (why didn't I think of this before?). The photo has a GNU license, so I downloaded it and then uploaded it to commons. Easier than pie :) . DirkvdM 11:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Erm, yes, but I thought you were asking if there was a technical way to use the image (without reuploading it, which I thought was a rather trivial answer so I didn't mention it), which there is not. →Raul654 06:56, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

This means wasting space on the servers. For e.g. there is a picture on hte German site, there must be a way of just linking to it. user:saharadesertfox 0:18, 6/9/2005

Putting pictures next to a content listing

I'm working on Girl, which is the collaboration of the week, and I'd like to be able to put the first two pictures in the article next to the contents listing (on the right of it, to use that white space) but because the content listing is automatically generated, I'm not sure how to go about it. Do I need to learn to make a template, or something? Any pointers? Mamawrites 07:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

With two pictures, it's unfeasable. However, with one picture, it's pretty easily do-able. I have modified the article accordingly. →Raul654 22:32, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Can you say a bit more about why you consider it "unfeasable"? I thought I had figured out how to do it, with the table commands and the __TOC__. Did it not look right in your browser? Mamawrites 22:50, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

...help....me....

I'm going fucking crazy trying to align three small images in the centre of a page. I have tried everything I can think of. I can get them three in a row on the same line aligned left or right:

X X X

I can get them staggered:

X

 X
   X

I can get them stacked (left, right, or centre):

X X X

But I cannot for the life of me get them centered, in a row, between two lines of text:

blah blah blah blah blah

      X X X

blah blah blah blah blah

Somebody. Please. I don't want them thumbed or framed, I don't want them captioned... just three little images all in a row.... Anyone?

Exploding Boy 17:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

renaming uploaded images

I recently uploaded several photographs, not always knowing what animal or such was in them. Now that I've found out the name of one butterfly (it's a glasswing) I want to rename it (it's now called simply 'What butterfly is this.jpg'). But there is no 'move' tab and I can't find the answer in the many articles on images. I don't even know if this is the right place to ask this question :) . DirkvdM 11:27, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Download it, rename it, re-upload it, change all pages that use the old name to use the new name, and have an admin delete the old version. →Raul654 15:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

In other words, make a new page with the right title and then remove the old one. I already thought of that but thought there should be a more elegant way to do this, ie without troubling an admin. Why doesn't this work the same way as with other pages? And is there a tutorial page or such where this is explained? DirkvdM 07:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

How does one include external images?

The Software Freedom Day wiki uses MediaWiki but does not allow uploading of images. It also includes no help pages but refers users to Wikipedia's help pages. Apparently Image:http://... will not work, according to the first comment above. What is the proper wiki way to include an external image, with float, resize, frame and caption? --KevinCole 19:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

"What is the proper wiki way to include an external image" - you don't -- mediawiki doesn't support it. You can try doing it with the html img tag, if it's not prohibited (which it almost certainly is). →Raul654 19:24, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Broken syntax

Um, is it just my computer, or is the right-aligned Example 1 actually aligning to the left? I am on a pretty old machine, admittedly, but the framed pictures are working fine. Ziggurat 00:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

It's probably just your computer. →Raul654 01:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Bah! Thanks, and curse thee, old work Mac! Ziggurat 01:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Wrong image

Hello you all, yesterday I uploaded an image of the band Alphaville into Wikimedia Commons and inserted it into the German Wikipedia. Now I thought it would be a good idea to put it into the english article as well. But nor there is a wrong image displayed. Maybe you can help? The image-tag is still in the article, with a <! -- and --> arround it. If you want to contact me, please write on my German Discussions. Thank you! 82.83.59.115 13:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC) (Silberchen)

Images in other language sections of Wikipedia

Is it possible to directly use images from the German Wikipedia in an English page? I thought it would be kind of silly to reupload them, but I know that you can't link to images outside of Wikipedia. Specifically, I wanted to use several images from the German article for Swan Lake (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwanensee) in our English page. Any help would be very much appreciated! Also, I'm not the same person as the above user, just FYI. Guermantes 22:03, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Because the images in question are licensed under the GFDL, the best thing to do in this case is to re-upload them to common (make sure you preserve the source information, copyright license, description, 'etc), and notify the germans that you have copied them to commons (so they can delete the images from the german wikipedia). Files on commons are "common" to all projects (however, in order to eligible to be put on the commons a file must be available under a free license). →Raul654 02:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I've uploaded dozens of images to the English Wikipedia and would like to use them in the Ukrainian project too. Re-uploading them all to "Commons" is not only tedious, it is also wasteful and thus foolish. The servers hosting them are the same, there is no need for copies. If the current Image: syntax does not support something like Image:en:My-image.jpg, this should be a high-priority feature request.пан Бостон-Київський 23:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Cross link an image

Is it possible to link to an image on another language of wiki, for example write: image:it:image.png ? For some reason that's not working for me.

I second this question. Emphatically. At the moment, I am forced to either give up on using images or upload a new variant of an already existing image. This is truly silly. Aid and assist please. Crocodilicus 05:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Borders?

Is it possible to add borders around images? And I don't mean the standard gray ones, but HTML-like borders.

I suppose yes, you could. However, we want people using the mediawiki standard image borders. Raul654 21:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to ask the same question ...Is it possible to add borders to images, using wiki syntax? (similar to style="border:solid 1px #000000;") I know about "thumb" and how that places a border, but don't want the caption and second border. The reason for asking, is in response to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft#Regarding_pictures, asking about a thin black border around the images on the Main Page. I kindof agree, with images such as Image:Charles Kennedy.jpg that is currently on ITN. Any suggestions? Thanks. -Aude (talk | contribs) 00:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Same here. I don't want thumb, I just want a thin border around an image which has a white background (Image:TheManual.jpg for use in KLF discography#KLF Publications). --kingboyk 18:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I have a similar question. Is it possible to have a border around pictures when using the "gallery" syntax? I put the pictures in a gallery to keep things tidy, but I'm still stick with the problem of poorly visible pictures because they are partially white. Check my user page to see what I mean; especially the flag of Thüringen and Japan. (RagingR2 12:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC))

Image:Peggy Sue vocal melody.PNG

Can anyone explain how, when, and why Image:Peggy Sue vocal melody.PNG was deleted? Hyacinth 09:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Allowing images to be offsite links?

I run a site using mediawiki where I'd like certain images to link to an external address instead of to the image page. Is there anyway to modify mediawiki to allow this? --Tccmod 00:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to know the answer to this question! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.47.2 (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Making backgrounds

How do you make an image the background?!? AAAHHH! IT'S SO FREAKIN' HARD! Excuse me as I rip my keyboard apart. Ripping in progress... Darth Katana X 22:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)qryy hfg af d hl xc n m ;[\klk[\]\-op[-

Fair Use

The tutorials go on about fair usage (and how a fair use image shouldn't even be moved to the article's talk page) and yet here a tutorial itself is using images of Kylie Minogue album covers! Those covers are copyright and using them in this tutorial is not fair use. --kingboyk 00:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Maybe I haven't looked hard enough for a discussion of this, but... I think some prominent warnings should be put in the images tutorials about images and the use of infoboxes. If you put an image into an article and it is on the right, it ends up under the infobox, and text following it below and to the left. I think if people put in an image at the very beginning, they catch this, but I have corrected several articles where people started subsequent sections with images and created nasty gaps. This is a particularly insidious problem because if you edit the article section by section everything looks fine, because the infobox isn't in that section.--Brianyoumans 09:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</gallery>

• And how do you resize images in an infobox? --TheTruthiness 06:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Image from different-language Wikipedia?

Does anyone know how to link to pictures on Wikipedias that are in a different language? I want to use the picture from the Swedish page for Lingonberry on the English-language version. Ianthegecko 02:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Obsolete

IMHO, most of this article is obsolete. There are only two formats most people will ever need:

[[Image:test.png|left|thumb|200px|Here's the caption]] - normal article image on left side
[[Image:test.png|right|thumb|200px|Here's the caption]] - normal article image on right side

And very occasionally:

[[Image:test.png|20px]] - for some small image squished inline into text.

All the other forms are just making things complicated. The vast majority of images used in articles are far too big to be used without resizing, and you almost always want a caption and to link to the actual image file. Stevage 14:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

You know one thing I really hate? People putting "200px" and such like into the image format. I don't want to see 200, 250 or 300px thumbnails - I want to see them the size I've chosen in my preferences. I'd like to add something, somewhere that basically says if you use "thumb" and specify a pixel size then you should be shot.

Rant over/wangi 15:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain further? I don't get your complaint. I use pixel sizes to layout the article nicely. An important image with lots of detail should be shown bigger than a small image less relevant to the article. If I should be using |frame| or something rather than |thumb|, then *that* is the information that ought to be in this tutorial. I can tell you with some certainty, however, that in my 3000 or so edits around here, I have never seen any image on any page *ever* that wasn't one of the above formats. I don't think anyone uses |frame| in articles. This may be "bad", but it's very widespread. Stevage 07:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Turning

Okay, how do you turn an image in WIkipedia. For example, lets say a character is looking left, how do you turn it to make him look right? --Bentendo24 00:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who you are since you didn't sign your comment. If you do so, it's easier for people to contact you if they want to help you. You can sign any comment on any discussion page by placing four ~ signs at the end. You can still do so now by editing this section and adding those 4 characters. RagingR2 20:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Text overlapping style guidance box

Text slightly overlaps box at top right. Was going to try and fix it but note in edit box slightly put me off. Perhaps someone else could tidy it. qp10qp 18:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Using image as a link

Is there any way that I can make a small image or a logo as a link to another Wiki page instead of linking to the image itself? →Crashintome4196 00:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Left-aligned pictures in a list article

I've noticed a problem with left-aligned pictures in list articles, such as List of Telecaster players and List of atheists. The list bullets disappear. Is there any way to fix this? Nick Graves 06:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yikes! CSS method broken as of December 5, 2006

I logged on today and noticed that the method described in the tutorial here, which worked fine last time I checked, apparently works no longer. Previously, the pictures would line up in a row horizontally, wrapping nicely, just as the tutorial says. Now, they line up in an ugly column, ruining lots of feng shui hard-earned with numerous formatting edits. What broke between yesterday and today? Robert K S 06:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• In a similar vein of thought, I'd like to note that the wikilink Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Wiki markup and CSS leads to nowhere at this moment. The link is located in the section Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Forcing a break. --Godfoster 07:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• I fixed this by changing the Main.CSS under /* Image */ remove both "Clear : Left;" lines--User:Brice Lenfant 17:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

"Note 2"

The link in Note 2 at the top seems to be out of date. --froth^{T C} 21:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Forcing image size by height

I know it's easy to set an image size by width. At the article Palm Island there are some good images in a section "Environmental Clean Up", but they are in different proportions. Is there an easy way to leave the width to be "whatever it needs to be to stay in proportion" yet force the height so they look better side-by-side?

Thanks.Garrie 02:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures as backgrounds

Is it possible in a wikitable to place an image as the background instead of a colour? Or, rather, might it be possible to place an image within a cell and then place text on it? JamesyWamesy 19:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Images and ad-blocking software

Namely with galleries, could ad-blocking software be taken into consideration when image sizes are automatically determined (and can not be overruled)? When web developing I have learnt that setting an image width to an 'unusual' number – say, 121px wide instead of 120px – gets around Norton Internet Security's ad-blocking (it blocks images of varying, typical ad sizes, including 120x90px). Seo75 22:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Image resize in mediawiki install

i realize this might not be the right place to ask this because it's a mediawiki question and not a direct wikipedia question... but: i have mediawiki installed, everything is going great but when i try to use [[Image:image-name.jpg|100px]] it does not resize the image. i'm new so forgive me, i really did try to find the answer myself. is there something simular to templates where i need to have another page assist with the resizing? (Kevlar 03:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC))

Horizontally align

With regards to horizontally aligning pictures, the article uses 'table markup'. Would it be easier to use a combination of left floating and non floating as shown below? This method also 'stacks' rather than allowing the pictures to protrude off the page. And it also stops the 'subsequent text from being placed along side the images'. Using right align allows pictures on the left and right extremes of the page.

It is also often useful to horizontally align two images:

Wikipede

Wikipede

[[image:Wikipedesketch.png|left|thumb|300px|Wikipede]]
[[image:Wikipedesketch.png|none|thumb|300px|Wikipede]]

If there is no objections, I will replace the 'table markup' method with this one. - Ctbolt 07:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I have placed the previous version here:

It is also often useful to horizontally align two images:

Wikipede

Wikipede

However, this should be used sparingly, as it can cause the images to protrude off the right of the page for people with narrow browser windows.

This is done using table markup:

{|
|-
| [[image:Wikipedesketch.png|none|thumb|300px|Wikipede]]
| [[image:Wikipedesketch.png|none|thumb|300px|Wikipede]] 
|}

- Ctbolt 23:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Space Between Two Horizontally Stacked picures that have captions

What if I have to pictures with captions (ergo I need to use frame or thumb) and I want them to stack horizontally as close to each other as possible. I realize the fram itself may take up a little space but as is, everything I've tried has put a few centimeters of white space between them. Surely I can do something about thie?--Dr who1975 20:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Best I can think of is not to use either frame or thumb, but instead use a table for both images and captions, like so:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
|-
| [[image:Wikipedesketch.png|120px]]
| [[image:Wikipedesketch.png|120px]]
|-
| Caption 1
| Caption 2
|}

Which looks like:

Caption 1	Caption 2

How's that? See Help:Table for more on using tables, and Wikipedia:Gallery for more on image galleries. —GrimRevenant 11:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Opinion needed

Can I get a third-party opinion on the appropriateness of using a particular "collage" image on an actor's biography page? See Jason Gerhardt. Thanks, Elonka 23:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Display image but not link

How do you display an image but not link to it? For example, I want an external link but the content should be an image. In HTML you would do:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/"><img src="wikipedia.png"></a>

71.191.103.235 17:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd be very interested in an answer to this, as well. A way to display an uploaded image (via the [[Image:]] syntax), without creating a link to its description page. -CapitalQ 04:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I found ImageMap but it doesn't totally suit my needs, and I'd like to do this on another wiki without installing the extension. Any ideas still? -CapitalQ 04:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Gallery Markup

When limiting the gallery to a certain number of images wide, or pixels wide - shouldn't the code go something like this →
<gallery caption="Gallery Title Here" widths="250px" heights="100px" perrow="3">

It doesn't currently have anything like this at the moment. Can this be changed?! 125.254.23.141 (talk) 01:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

No need, there's a link right under the example to the relevant section at Help:images. It wasn't taking you straight there, so I've given it a tweaking :o) --mikaul^talk 18:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Linking to images without displaying them - policy/guidance?

Hi there. I recently asked on the help desk about whether there is a policy on appropriateness of use of linking to images rather than displaying them. Unfortunately, no-one knew if one existed (Wikipedia:Help_desk#Linking_to_images) so I thought I'd ask here. The article in question is List of Omnitrix aliens. Anyone here any thoughts/opinions/ideas? Ged UK (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Flip an image left-right

I want to flip an image. The Tree of Life (specifically Fishes) says the fish should face the article text, not away from it. How do I flip an image left to right?Bob the Wikipedian, a WikiDragon (talk) 03:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

If by flip you mean place the same image on the other side of the page, you just include "|left" or "|right" in the code. For example, change [[Image:Fishies.png|300px|left|Description goes here]] to [[Image:Fishies.png|300px|right|Description goes here]]. If you mean make a mirror version of the image, I think you will need an external image manipulation program like Photoshop or Paint. Regards, Skomorokh 11:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I actually received the same answer long ago on another page, but I appreciate your answer regardless. It looks like editing will be required for such a task. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 19:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

“File:” vs “Image:”

Now linking images by both prefixes results to rendering the link as an image (<img src=…>). IMHO it’s the case where more than one way to do it is evil. The word “image” (and its translations to another languages) have the sense corresponding to the operation which the engine performs. But the word “file” does not. Can Wikipedia force the use of “[[Image:…]]” in context of placing images to a page? It will permit further change of [[Image:…]]-links behaviour to just linking to the file page. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Background colour

How can I control the frames colour for images that contain transparency. AJUK ^Talk!! 20:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Image size text needs revising

The passages relating to thumb sizes will need revising when the default thumb size goes up to 220px, which has been agreed by Wikimedia etc and may be implemented by the end of October. At the same time I have raised a number of related issues at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Image_sizes_-_current_text_is_confusing, most of which apply here, and the discussion there has also mentioned the text here. We should take the opportunity of sorting these out at the same time. The two discussions are very similar so I suggest any comments are added there. I am suggesting for this page:

a) the text here should not mention the new "upright scaling" method before the normal fixed pixel width method - the order of the two sections should be reversed.

b) the text here should mention the effect of upright scaling for those with a non-default thumb size set in their preferences, which it currently does not. Eg it says "Factors greater than about 3.0 can generate large images that cause problems with some browsers", completely neglecting to mention that a multiple of 3.0 will give any image a width of 900px for those with a 300px setting. There is a discussion at "Pixel counts vs. upright factors" (buried at the bottom of Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Thumbnail_sizes), but this only mentions the benefits of scaling for those with preferences. Experience since the introduction of upright scaling suggests that it is mostly used for more drastic scaling than the 1.1 factor used as an example here, and at the typical levels of 1.5 or 2.0 the user with preferences set is likely to be disadvantaged rather than see any benefit.

Johnbod (talk) 17:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, I'm planning to revise this once the default size is changed to 220px. Likewise for several other pages, e.g.,, Wikipedia:Extended image syntax.
• "the text here should mention the effect of upright scaling for those with a non-default thumb size set in their preferences" Thanks for pointing this out, and I attempted to fix the problem with this change.
• Certainly the 3.0 should be changed in the tutorial to something smaller (it's too large even for the 180px default, as it generates a 540px image, which is too large). But 1.5 seems overly restrictive as well. People who have small screens and who nevertheless set their default image sizes to the largest value should be used to dealing with the resulting glitches, which are at any rate merely presentational. How about 1.8 instead? Once the image default size is changed to 220px, |upright=1.8 will generate an image of width 400px, which is the current suggested limit in MOS:IMAGES.
• A tutorial like this is best if it talks about features in a consistent and coherent order, which may not necessarily be the same as topics in descending frequency of occurrence in actual use. Thus, for example, this tutorial starts by talking about left and right in thumbnails (both commonly used) and then mentions center and none not because they are commonly used too (they are extremely rare in thumbnails), but because they are options in the same category as left and right and it's clearer and more logical to discuss them at the same time that left and right are discussed. Similarly, the discussion of |upright=0.56 etc. is placed right after the discussion of parameterless upright not because it is used as often as parameterless upright (it's not), but because it's clearer and more logical to put these related topics next to each other.
• It's better in a tutorial to discuss plain upright before talking about sizing by width in pixels, as it's a simpler and higher-level approach. Also, it's better to discuss upright in general (including the factor) than to discus straight-pixel sizing in general (including width only, height only, and width × height) because (again) overall it's a simpler and higher-level approach.
• I'd rather keep the discussion about this page's contents here, since otherwise the threads will become unwieldy. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style covers a lot of style territory, and its threads (rightly) veer off in lots of different directions and talk about a lot of style things, whereas this article is supposed to be a tutorial about all the technical aspects of using images, with style being only one of the topics addressed.

Eubulides (talk) 04:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The changes so far are certainly an improvement. Taking the points:

• (Using 220px as the default here) I think 1.8 is much too high - I don't think this page should promote sizes which will bust the overall (normal) MOS limit of 400px, even if only for those with a preference set. 1.8 x 300 is 540, & x 250 is 450. I think the recommendation should be to use scaling up only to 1.33, giving 296 at 220, and 399 at 300. Pictures intended to be seen by default users in the range 300-400px should just be fixed at the appropriate pixel size (obviously making them "too big" for those who have set 150 as preference, but we have yet to hear from such a user).
• I think the whole section should be re-organized, for one thing more sub-sections should be made from the headers - this must be the longest single section in the whole of WP. It might be better to have more of the discussion above, and the code & examples below, with links down.
• That "upright" and "upright scaling" use the same term is something of a misnomer - as the tutorial explains they are in fact doing different things. I imagine this is mostly read by those who have already done a fair amount of editing, and are likely to have picked up the normal fixing method already. They will surely be highly puzzled that they have to read seven screens into the relevant section before encountering the normal method. It just won't do! By your own logic, the normal fixing method should be in the logical place right at the top, before all the complexities of mondo "upright" are entered into. Your belief that this is a "simpler" method is, I would suggest, individualistic.

Johnbod (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree that upright should be discussed first. I believe it should be largely discouraged. What happened to the notion of using it only when "subtle" enlargement is required? I haven't yet looked at this tutorial, but I think it should not encourage WPians to set a preference size: editors should see as close as possible displays that our readers see. Tony (talk) 02:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Plain "upright" (without a factor) should be encouraged as a simple way to size images whose aspect ratios are portrait rather than landscape. Plain upright is simpler than pixel sizing and should be discussed earlier in the tutorial, even if pixel sizing is more common. (Pixel sizing is not simple, when you explain all the possibilities; it is more complicated than upright.) It is not a misnomer that upright and upright scaling use the same term: plain "upright" is exactly equivalent to "upright=0.8". A scaling factor of 1.8 is sometimes way too high, but it is not always way too high; even 2.0 is OK in some contexts. Certainly 1.5 is wayyy to small as an upper bound; that would limit images resized with "upright" to at most 270px now, which is far too small as an upper bound. People who have small screens and who set their image defaults to large sizes cannot expect articles to display without glitches, and article editors shouldn't have to contort image display to cater to this quite-small population of users. Replacing each of the semicolon headers in that long section with ==== headers ==== would address the "too long section" problem; that's an easy change. Eubulides (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I said I was addressing the situation after the default increase. I repeat: this page should not be promoting the breaking of the MOS normal width limit of 400px. You do not need a small screen for 600px (2 x 300) to be much too large. Let's see what others think. Johnbod (talk) 02:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree that upright=2.0 will be a bit much after the default increase, since it will increase images to 440px. upright=1.8 will be better upper bound then. Wikipedia editors are under no obligation to worry about the vanishingly small number of readers who have small screens but nonetheless specify large thumbnail sizes, and we shouldn't hamstring the use of upright factors to cater to this extremely tiny user population. Eubulides (talk) 04:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

West German Bundesgrenzschutz personnel, civilians and an East German border guard on the border line at Herrnburg near Lübeck

(outdent) Here is an example of the size we're talking about, taken from Inner German border #West Germany, and redone to use "upright=1.8". Although obviously images should not always be this large, I think it's OK to allow images of this size in some cases, and that the manual of style shouldn't prohibit them. Eubulides (talk) 04:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Eubulides, can we write this tutorial from our readers' point of view, assuming no set prefs? I think it's a bad idea to take any account of the prefs of a few hundred WPs—or if WPs must absolutely set a pref, that it should be just mentioned here only, not thematised. What bad would come of getting rid of the prefs completely? Tony (talk) 07:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC) PS The border picture is too small, IMO. I can only just make out the figures. Tony (talk) 07:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Excellent idea - then we could set up an arcanum tutorial for the Illuminati, after a suitable initiation ceremony has been devised! More secrecy is what we need here. You think it's a coincidence the section features Amun, the "hidden" chief deity of Ancient Egypt - of course not! Er, make that 10,600 WPs, if you remember, a number likely to be growing fast as people move to larger screens, and realize the possibility exists. I wish we had a better breakdown of what sizes are set etc. At the moment the subject is covered in about 300 words here, no? Talking of tiny minorities, I wonder how many editors have used scaled uprights? Johnbod (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it would be possible to write the tutorial under the assumption that the default width is always 180px (or always 220px, or whatever), and with a brief later section saying what happens when that assumption is false. If you like, I could draft something along those lines. The issue of non-default widths couldn't be avoided entirely, without giving up an important goal of this tutorial, which is to explain every technical detail about Wikipedia image syntax and behavior. Eubulides (talk) 07:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

While I'm not convinced we will ever entirely lose user pref sizing, a good complementary edit to the one you're proposing would be to mention very early in the section the folly of messing with image syntax with non-default prefs set. Not only for unregistered users but so that our editors can work on the same page in the figurative, as well as the literal sense. Among the tiny minority who don't use defaults, I do foresee the raising of default thumb sizes being quite persuasive in resetting those prefs, and encouraging it will only make life easier for everyone. --mikaul^talk 10:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Dream on! That would only work if a)everyone had roughly the same size of screen, and b) everyone liked seeing images at roughly the same size. Recent discussions have shown clearly that b) is not at all the case. Probably some generalizations could be made about the kind of reader, by typical subject area, who prefers different sizes - those who look at pop, fashion and art probably want much bigger images, and more of them, than those reading politics articles for example. Johnbod (talk) 03:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Generalizations are precisely what's required. Some, things like display resolution, we can even be reasonably objective about. I don't see why image-oriented articles shouldn't have scaled-up content, although this is less generalizing than second-guessing reader preferences. You're missing the main point: it's not about readers, who could have three eyes for all we know, it's about default-size image display prefs bringing significant benefits to collaborative editing. This isn't so much idealism as constructive pragmatism aimed at consistency of presentation. We should encourage resetting our prefs so at the very least we can all er, sweep our generalizations with the same broom... mikaul^talk 04:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Some other points: re that border guard image, I'd be inclined to suggest specifying a height for anything wider than a 2:1 horizontal aspect but shy of {{wide image}} extremes. On the earlier point regarding scaling, apropos a possible decline in the use of tweaked thumb size prefs, what exactly does the rather unintuitive factor-based method bring to the table that isn't provided by px dimensions? While upright is an elegant solution to the too-big-upright thumb problem, it's a bit of a stretch to claim the same grace applies to achieving 300px from the new default size when I have to get a calculator out to achieve upright=1.36... as well as explicitly encouraging non-adjusted prefs, I'd only mention that functionality way down the page, and stick with traditional px forcing as the preferred method. I should probably add that I'm prepared to run with the factor scaling if a compelling case can be made for it, as it greatly appeals to my inner nerd. --mikaul^talk 10:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• What are we going to do with this? There is a clear majority among the small number commenting for putting the "normal" method first - I think only Eubilides objects. Perhaps interest will revive when the default change goes through. Johnbod (talk) 03:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Avoiding image "stackups"

The text in this section reads, in part:

It is also possible to have two adjacent images of different sizes cause word wrapping problems; separating them in the markup seems to solve this; compare [3] with [4].

One of the images in the linked-to older versions of the article has been deleted. So, I don't think the point is being properly illustrated. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The two pages look similar enough to me -- both pages feature a single image that covers up some of the words in the article. The links seem like an attempt to advertise that site as well -- if we need to illustrate whatever point they're trying to show, just print screen from that Wikipedia page, crop and put on this page as an actual example. Banaticus (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This "stackup" phenomenon seems to be causing issue to a user at Monarchy of Canada and Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, which, in turn, is causing disruption to the articles. As I see it, the articles used the "simplest logical page flow" before, and this user is trying to "hack" in order to make things appear just from his point of view. Could someone possibly weigh in on this to provide some clarity on the matter? --G2bambino (talk) 16:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

That's actually not what's going on, you know it, I suggest you stop lying about what I am doing, as I have told you over and over and over and over and over what my concerns are. For those others reading this, the whole discussion is at my talk page, and is now the subject of a WP:WQA. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 17:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

One might sense that, with all the threats and "reports," you're scared of outside opinion. Let's hope someone will help resolve this, because you're certainly not assisting in matters. --G2bambino (talk) 18:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Huh. More attacks. You're digging yourself deeper, you know. I'm certainly not "scared" of outside opinion; my objection is to you lying about what I am doing. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 18:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Hamyai (talk) 02:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The default thumb size saga

I've raised the recent postponement of the site-wide increase at Jarry's page. Tony (talk) 04:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Page format

The table on the top right hand corener (styles) is covering part of the text

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Samigeorgy (talk • contribs) 08:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

<gallery>

Why doesn't this page axplain the use of this? __meco (talk) 10:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

It is mentioned in Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Galleries. Apparently there are accessibility issues which lead the author to purposely not go into detail on their use, but I'm just guessing. Waldir ^talk 20:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 134.117.60.83, 19 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} this page has been vandalised. There are about 5 or 6 blocks of orange text "Lorem ipsut amer..." --134.117.60.83 (talk) 16:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It's there on purpose, to demonstrate the how the text wraps around an image. Thanks for the notice, though. --Waldir ^talk 16:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Animated GIFs

In articles such as Blackout (wartime), an animated GIF is included. However, the use of thumbnails disables the animation. There should be a section in this article that details how to include animated GIFs that can be sized appropriately while remaining animated. Benandorsqueaks (talk) 22:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to include a cropped image?

Just wondering — is there a way to include a thumbnail that only includes a part of some image (and, so that, if someone clicks on the image, it takes them to the full image as it does now)? (This is how thumbnails often work out there in the real world.) It seems that the only way currently is to edit the image, upload a cropped version, include it on a page, and add link to the uncropped image in the caption. Shreevatsa (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Diptychs and triptychs

(I came here with the same issue.)
There may be an image of a painting, where only one "slice" of the triptych may be relevant to the article in question.
Are there any options short of what Shreevatsa describes above?
Can display of part of an image be suppressed?

The article discusses image maps.
If areas of an image can be identified and delineated, might the article text be allowed to overlay portions of that image, but not others?

Basically, we gotta make our own cropped image, right?
Varlaam (talk) 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Simple instructions for inserting an image into an article?

Does the page say anywhere just how to go about actually inserting an image into an article--i.e., what steps to take? WesternRoad 20:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WesternRoad (talk • contribs)

Maybe not in so many words.

You need brackets [[, a prefix like File: and an image name.

Edit your favourite page and look at the syntax, or insert the following,

and click Show Preview.

[[File:Canary Murder Case.jpg]]

That syntax gives you an image.

In many cases, you want Louise to be smaller, so you add a px size.

[[File:Canary Murder Case.jpg|50px]]

Look at the article for more examples of variants to try.

Good luck, Varlaam (talk) 06:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops, Louise is deceased, but her image is non-free and cannot appear over here.

That is a fact of life with images in Wikipedia.

Edit this section, uncomment the .jpg references, and you shall see the imagery. Magic!

Varlaam (talk) 06:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That actually does raise an important point for the beginners.

Just because an image already appears somewhere in Wikipedia does not mean that you are automatically free to use it on a different Wikipedia page. It all depends.

Someone should provide a link here to the page which discusses copyright as it concerns images.

Varlaam (talk)

I've once seen a tool...

...that allowed to display a series of images in a thumb like margin, with a foreward and backward button below, that allowed to skim through the series. So, in my opinion, it combined the advantages of animations and static images. But I've never seen it again. Does anyone know how to do this? Lipedia (talk) 16:29, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Coolguru7878, 3 April 2011

Coolguru7878 (talk) 13:22, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^(Shout!) 19:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thumbnail is not updated when new image is uploaded

I have the thumbnail of an image in an article. No problem. I wanted to update the image, so I went to the file and uploaded a new version. No problem. Now the article still shows the old thumbnail. When you click on it you go to the new file. I've tried resaving the article with a minor edit. I've even tried inserting the thumbnail into a new test article (under my username). The old thumbnail shows. It seems as though there is a cache for thumbnails that is not being updated. How do I force the update of this cache? --AlexanderPico (talk) 02:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Here is the specific example:

Effect of nicotine on dopaminergic neurons

Click on it and you will notice that the oval on the right is different in the source file. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderPico (talk • contribs) 02:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Update. I see the new thumbnail when I'm not logged in! After logging in, however, I see the old thumbnail. Is image cache tied to accounts? I've cleared by browser cache completely. I can switch back and forth between thumbnails by simply logging in and logging out. This is odd. So, does this mean that users who saw the old thumbnail will continue to (when they're logged in), but new and logged-out users will see the new thumbnail? --AlexanderPico (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Update. This is unique to thumbnails at 180px. This can be set in your preferences. That resolution of thumbnails appears to not be consistently updated. See the relevant bug report. --AlexanderPico (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

We have a major problem here

Most of the text has been replaced by what seems to be a Latin translation, though I don't read Latin and it could be a porn novel.

I tried to backtrack and restore an older English version, and failed.

Fatidiot1234 (talk) 04:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you joking? :-) The text is Lorem ipsum, used to illustrate image placement. Shreevatsa (talk) 04:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Just confused. Thank you for your patience.

Fatidiot1234 (talk) 12:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I must agree - this description is basically nonsense (edit) for anyone who just wants to an image to an enrty. Plain English would suffice - not nerdy jargon which explains nothing.

Whoever said the above including the swearing which I removed clearly has no clue about layout issues, or plain English for that matter. Also they couldn't be bothered to sign their edit. Eve Morris HTFotography 07:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I too was confused at first, thinking some wise guy had replaced half the page with latin, until i remembered reading about lorem ipsum (yesterday, coincidentally) and realizing it was just filler. Imascrabblefreak (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Using Japanese file image

I want to use an image from a Japanese page, where the image prefix is "ファイル" instead of "File". I've never gotten one of these to display using "File:".

Example: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB:Taitoumisaki.jpg

Tried to insert:

Kujūkuri Beach viewed from Cape Taitō

Into article: Cape Taitō

And it doesn't work. Where do I go from here?

Thanks all! --Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prburley (talk • contribs) 18:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

The image needs to be moved to Commons before you can use it. I moved this particular image and added it to the article. For instructions on how to do it in the future, check Wikipedia:Moving files to the Commons or ja:Help:ウィキメディア・コモンズへファイルを移動する方法. Copy it with Commonshelper or any other tool of your choice, then mark it with {{即時削除|ファイル1-5|Put filename here}} at the image description page on Japanese Wikipedia and put {{subst:コモンズへの移動通知|Put Japanese Wikipedia filename here|Put Commons filename here}}--~~~~ on the uploader's talk page. Other Wikimedia projects typically use a {{NowCommons}} template to indicate Commons moves, but images marked with {{NowCommons}} don't seem to be checked by Japanese Wikipedia users. Once moved, you can use the image under the usual "File" image prefix. Japanese Wikipedia can use either "File" or "ファイル". --Stefan2 (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Relationships between image subjects

So I have just uploaded a couple of photos related to other subjects and the two people in the photos are related to each other. Is there a standard way to indicate relationship between two people in photos when the photos are not connected to an article that can relate the people? In this case I don't think its appropriate to create a new article or category just for the extended family they both come from.

brill (talk) 17:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Image extensions used?

Please forgive the novice question - what extensions are used in Wikipedia to handle images? I have a Mediawiki installation of my own and I'd like to mirror exactly what is used here. Thank you. Steve Harnish (talk) 22:24, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thumbnail sizing and non-free image uploads

The Thumbnail Sizing section states in a bullet point that "Since MediaWiki dynamically scales inline images there is no need to reduce file size via scaling or quality reduction when uploading images." Does this apply to the resolution of copyrighted images uploaded under fair use? (See the policy at Wikipedia:Fair_use#Image_resolution.)

In other words, can we upload non-free images at original resolution, as long as they are displayed at thumbnail size in the article? If not, please add a non-free exception to the sentence quoted. TSchwenn (talk) 22:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I've re-worded that part to include a link to Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Image resolution. What do you think? Strictly, this page is about using pictures, and there is a separate page about uploading them, so a different fix would be to delete the paragraph entirely. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm satisfied. Do try to avoid mystery meat "here" links though. TSchwenn (talk) 19:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Infobox pictures

Since the first image will typically be placed in the infobox, I propose that these should be covered in a new first section, even before the "thumbnails" section. Helpers send new editors to this page for instructions, and results like this are all too common. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Only four months later,  Done. See Help:Infobox picture. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Watermark rules?

So I am 100% new to this - but I didn't see any rules on watermarks - so I thought it was best to ask.

I take photos of bands every chance I get. I'm not a professional photographer, but my hope is to be there one day. I have watermarked all my images just to see where they end up in the world - it isn't so much about ownership. I would be happy to add some of my photos to current pages, but I'm not sure if I need to edit the watermark off first.

P.S. If I posted this in the wrong spot - I'm super sorry. :) Nikki850 (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

See WP:WATERMARK. Your images would be much more useful to the encyclopedia if they did not have a watermark. You can upload them with a license such as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} to ensure that re-users mention your name. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks John! Nikki850 (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Kudumbigala,Panama,Srilanka.

if you've any details about Kudumbigala,Panama,Srilanka.please edit this article."help me" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuwansampath2007 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia, at least this, the English-language edition doesn't have an article on that subject. This page also isn't the right place to make such requests, so I've posted some welcome information on your personal talk page with various information that might be helpful to you. __meco (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Native size

Right now this section Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#frame says about forcing pictures to be displayed in their native size - "This usage is mostly obsolescent as it does not allow resizing, but you may see it in older articles." I just changed this to read, "This use is obsolete and should not be used because it is disruptive for many displays, especially mobile devices. Instead, if an article would be better with pictures resized in some way other than the default, use the 'upright' parameter. Users should set their own preferences if they want pictures resized and article authors should not do this. If anyone has a justification for using the frame feature then please share on the talk page." Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Bottom margins

Is it just me, are do the bottom margins of images seem to be overly large? (See the article Strepsirrhini for examples.) It would be nice if it could be cranked down just a little bit so that it doesn't mess with the page layout by pushing down text and headings. Can this be fixed in the Wikimedia software? – Maky ^« talk » 20:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Lorem Ipsum

I was just wondering why the page is spammed with Lorem Ipsum. Please respond on my talkpage. Thanks. --KazLabz 22:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin12xd (talk • contribs)

(For the edification of the group...) It isn't "spammed" with Lorem Ipsum, that text is used in the typical manner — as a placeholder when illustrating layout issues. (That's why it's presented in a different color than the article text.) In the case of this article, specifically, it's used to demonstrate how text will flow around images differently based on the parameters supplied to the [[File]] markup.

Or, as the article itself puts it...

Here is the same example again, this time in the context of some colored lorem ipsum dummy text with asterisks (*) showing where the image syntax appears in the text:

Hope this helps make the intent clearer. — FeRD_NYC (talk) 01:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Help with a gallery please

At Azerbaijani rug, an ip put a lot of work into creating a gallery, but placed it at the top of the page. I moved it to the bottom, but haven't a clue how to get it to format it correctly, and a few attempts after reading this tutorial got me nowhere. Anyone have time to fix it? --Ronz (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

To get some quicker help, I've asked here. --Ronz (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

background images

Is it possible to use an image as a background (in Wikipedia)? Specifically for designing userboxes. ⇔ ChristTrekker 14:43, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: Is spriting or image croppin...

71.237.136.91 posted this comment on 10 October 2012 (view all feedback).

Is spriting or image cropping supported. Something along the lines of |sprite=60px,40px,20px,20px| to display the 20px by 20px area of the image starting at 60px, 40px from the top left.

It's a good suggestion in my opinion... sometimes a cropped thumbnail would be a lot more useful than a thumbnail that is just scaled down, as is currently supported. So far as I know there's no simple way of doing this at present, there is the piledriver approach of creating a new cropped image and then linking to the original from it, but that's not very practical. Andrewa (talk) 18:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

The template {{CSS image crop}} does this. Despite its documentation, it is used in over 300 articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

So it does! But as you say, the documentation currently [5] says in part Preview Crop Template lets you create a crop of an image inline for previewing the look and feel of a page. If the edit is committed these crops should be replaced with server side cropped images to avoid sending extra image data to people. There's obviously some tidying up to do, one way or the other. Perhaps there could be a housekeeping group of experienced picture editors, and/or a bot and/or an addition to AWB or similar automation, to fix these 300 bandwidth-wasting articles. Andrewa (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: it is extrememly complicated...

Sergey.gorbikov posted this comment on 30 October 2012 (view all feedback).

it is extrememly complicated, i wanted to find a simple guide how to insert a picture. tnx.

I'd have to agree, we need a simpler tutorial, or perhaps even a wizard. Andrewa (talk) 18:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

The VisualEditor's "Add media" button makes it much easier. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes and thank you. I note that this is currently in Beta test and also disabled for Internet Explorer users, whom you I guess are the very group most likely to want things simplified. But I must give it a go. Andrewa (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Coding thumbnail smaller with no border

I'm new to editing and know HTML but haven't figured out how to get a thumbnail to come in a specific size AND without the auto border. I'm trying File:Ichthus.svg|thumb|left|100x150px|alt=christian fish symbol, which looks like...

but how do I get rid of the border? Also if the image is available as a .png, will .svg show up with a clear background? Thanks! Andolan1 (talk) 03:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I think you just want to remove the "thumb" parameter. eg: [[File:Ichthus.svg|left|100x150px|alt=christian fish symbol|]] which looks like:

. Could you explain your png/svg problem a little more?--Commander Keane (talk) 03:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thank you, removing "thumb" solved it. Andolan1 (talk) 19:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry-same image, new issue: The Editing Portal of the Selected Scripture section in Portal:Christianity appeared empty so I inserted the image discussed above, along with my text. After posting it, duplicate images appeared, so apparently one is embedded in the page HTML. Fine, so I went back in and removed the code for my image and reposted, but both images still appear! How can I remove the duplicate image? I also tried "Undo" and that didn't help. Andolan1 (talk) 19:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC) Solved - I needed to "Purge server cache" Andolan1 (talk) 22:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Upright and rounding

I read « The "upright" option normally creates an image that is about 75% of the width of the default. The exact width is computed by starting with the default thumbnail width, multiplying it by 0.75, and rounding to the nearest multiple of 10. ». Is it sure that it is rounded to the nearest multiple of 10. ? E.g. a 1200x1600 picture is displayed 140x180 and not 135x180 ? (because 1600x1200 landscape format is displayed 180x140 or 180x135 ?) Jack ma (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I want to insert an image with a URL.

I can't just copy paste or save images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.28.219 (talk) 15:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, that's not possible at Wikipedia. Images have to be uploaded to the Wikimedia Foundation servers before they can be displayed in Wikipedia articles. For help with that, see Wikipedia:Uploading images. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Upright user pref?

I recently ran into an editor who is removing "upright" from images he comes across, as he prefers all images the same width. That seems a bit arrogant to me, but maybe it would help if there were a user preference for the upright ratio. Then he could just set it to 1.0 for himself, and the rest of us could get the normal behavior. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Use image from en.wikipedia.org in a page on fr.wikipedia.org

There is an image in en.wikipedia.org I would like to use for a page in fr.wikipedia.org, but I don't know how to specify the image when editing. Using Image:example.jpg only finds images on the fr site. Any idea how to do this? Tripleblade (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Parrot of Doom

Hi, can anyone inform me how one has to deal with this? When I talk crap, I like to know why, especially if one follows the guidelines from the Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Thanks for your time. Lotje (talk) 10:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Your statement regarding image sizes is incorrect. You said that "images should not be set to a larger fixed size than the 220px default", while in fact quite the opposite is true: "typically, if you specify a width in pixels, it should be at least 300px". Nikkimaria (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nikkimaria, is this the language barrier or is it just me? this is what I was referring to. When I am correct it says: Lead images should usually be no wider than "upright=1.35" (defaults to "300px").

Going further into detail: ... In general, do not define the size of an image unless there is a good reason to do so: some users have small screens or need to configure their systems to display large text; "forced" large thumbnails can leave little width for text, making reading difficult...

Newcomers might think: "Too many rules, not enough Indians". Lotje (talk) 08:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Computer cource — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.78.51.150 (talk) 07:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Question: What is the recommended way of referencing images inside the same article

Wikipedia articles mostly contain informative images. However, there seems to be no common-practise in referring to images inside the same article. A vast majority of scientific journals and books apply the technique of numbering images by preceding "Figure N:" to the caption. A later reference than uses a phrase like "as shown in Figure N".

LaTeX (another markup language for typesetting) makes this kind of referencing and labeling very easy by using keywords like \label{name} and \ref{name} to reference an image without the need of manually numbering it.

To my knowledge, a system like this does not exist in Wikipedia. This leads to most images not being mentioned in the text, so readers have to use a lot of context to interprete the figures. Referencing a figure at the beginning of an article at a section far towards the end is very clumsy. Users would have to write something like: "cf. the second picture from the top in section X".

So to sum it up and since I did not find it anywhere in the style guides or the FAQ: What is the recommended practise here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sethur2 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

When I refer to figures in articles I compose, I alway point to the figures at appropriate times, though this seems to contravene guidelines whose foremost aim is the longevity of the text. In my view, the clarity of the current text trumps any longevity argument, and so I include such things as "see image at right" and the like, in the text. Le Prof 71.239.87.100 (talk) 08:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Question: How to create images with legend, but not underneath?

That is the entirety of the question; see this article, for a legend that would be better to the side, than below the image: Condenser (laboratory), image for Vigreux air-cooled condenser. 71.239.87.100 (talk) 08:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Question: How to do RELATIVE sizing of images (Specific percent of display width)?

I cannot find instructions on how to set an image to display across a certain PERCENTAGE of a display area (RELATIVE sizing -- as opposed to a FIXED number of pixels: ABSOLUTE sizing) . This is important because ABSOLUTE-sized (specific-number-of-pixels wide) images either look ridiculously large when viewed on on low-resolution displays, or ridiculously (often indecipherably) small when viewed on high-resolution displays, especially those of modest physical size.

In HTML, this is done with the parameter "Width=x%" (note the percent sign) in the coding for placing the picture (the <img...> parameters) -- where "x" is some whole number, from 1 to infinity; anything above 100% goes off-screen, as I recall.

In HTML, the width percentage determines what percentage of the specific available display width the picture will stretch across, a display width that may be limited by:

• a.) the width of the page (and screen)
• b.) the pre-defined width of the cell (if inside a table)
• c.) the presence of another image.

As i recall, also, in HTML, the image defaults to its full size under certain circumstances, having to do, i think, with whether the image files is larger (in pixel width) than the display area allocated for it by the width-percentage setting. not sure; i just remember that its tricky.

Anyway, in HTML, it really helps preserve "fluid design" that is relatively device-independent, creating web pages less suceptible to distortion and disruption due to resolution variances between various display screens.

It would sure help in wiki page development if such an option exists, and someone would post instructions for it on the Wikipedia:Picture tutorial page.

Zxtxtxz (talk) 10:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Annotated image policy

If anyone has an interest in interactive annotated images, I've made a post on WP:IUP to discuss when wikilinked image annotation is appropriate. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 02:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 13 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 08:22, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Picture tutorial → Help:Picture tutorial – It's in the wrong namespace.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  08:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. It is my understanding that Wikipedia:Tutorial and all the rest of the tutorial pages belong in the Wikipedia namespace. This picture tutorial page should be no different. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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100MB size restriction

In the current intro's second paragraph, "keep the file size under 100 megabytes" links to Wikipedia:Image use policy#Size, which uses an anchor that doesn't seem to exist. I'm assuming it's meant to point to Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Uploaded_image_size (or WP:FILESIZE, as is apparently a shortcut and hopefully won't be broken by renaming of sections). That section also seems to state that the maximum filesize is 1,000MB, not 100MB as in the current text. I haven't however looked into these file size restrictions before, so I'm not confident altering it to that myself, and would appreciate if someone could… verify it or something, then make the change. Throne3d (talk) 00:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

page edition

How does one edit a page Noraver (talk) 09:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

@Noraver: I've added some introductory links to your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Cool right Singhyash(nimit) (talk) 00:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Help:Pictures. (closed by page mover) Simplexity22 (talk) 23:09, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Picture tutorial → Help:Picture tutorial – We have the "Help:" namespace for a reason. All tutorials that are not userspaced essays belong there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  08:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

• Should obviously be in the help namespace. Wondering if it should be "picture tutorial" though. It is Help:Infobox not Help:Infobox tutorial. Help:Pictures did redirect to Help:File description page but I changed that to wikipedia:Picture tutorial since that's obviously a better target (it only had 5 links); this should probably be at Help:Picture or Help:Pictures. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:26, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support move to Help:Pictures. feminist (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support move to Help:Pictures. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Works for me, and redirect Help:Picture to it. However, we need to consider that Help:Image and Help:Images go to Help:Viewing media which is fairly unintuitive. I would suggest making Help:Images into an internal disambiguation page (also list WP:Manual of Style/Images, etc.), and redirecting Help:Image to Help:Images, or vice versa. We're not very consistent with singular and plural in these pages. I think the plural is more intuitive for them. Anyway, disambiguation hatnotes will be needed between the help-for-readers and help-for-editors pages.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  16:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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Rotate an image 90 degrees?

I would like to edit an image before including it in an article so that when it appears it has been rotated 90 degrees. I have read the relevant notes on how to do this and apologise for not understanding them. Can someone explain in plain English? AnOpenMedium (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

[[File:Example.jpg|90px]] and <span style="{{Transform-rotate|90}};"> [[File:Example.jpg|90px]] </span> gives

and -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Sadly I still don't understand. What exactly do I add to when editing? I have tried inserting various selections of the symbols you offer both before and after an image but this doesn't work.

This is what I meant by plain English, I just don't know what you are trying to tell me as I have never used this kind of symbol while editing, very sorry AnOpenMedium (talk) 14:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Replace File:Example.jpg with the file you want rotated, eg. <span style="{{Transform-rotate|90}};"> [[File:Alan Clark appearing on Opinions.jpg|90px]] </span> gives:

File:Alan Clark appearing on Opinions.jpg . However, it would be much preferrable if that image were uploaded again in the proper orientation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

More thanks! Yes, I am currently hoping the original will be deleted (this has been requested). But just that I learn what you are trying to teach me - and thank you for your patience - where does for example the "span style" text get inserted? AnOpenMedium (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

It seems the image File:Alan Clark appearing on Opinions.jpg has now been deleted, which wasn't really necessary. You could have re-uploaded a correct image by overwriting the wrong one.

The <span>...</span> surrounding the file name gets inserted wherever you would normally simply use the image. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Image to fit page width

Is it possible to format an image to automatically fit the width of a page or column in a table? • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 10:09, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Still waiting for a reply. · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 07:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Picture in the middle

I am trying to arrange three pictures in a line. A left, a right and a middle. Is there a Help:Pictures#In the middle?--Wyn.junior (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Wyn.junior: Template:Multiple image will probably do what you want - have a look at the examples there. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Rendering of PDFs

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T38597

The developer of PdfHandler set JPEG as the default output format, and Wikimedia admins neglected to switch these sites to PDF → PNG despite calls for this during five years. But, fortunately, the JPEG abomination can be replaced with a simple user script. Compare rendering on such cases as Thick disk and https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AResourceLoader_Wikimania_2011.pdf&page=3 . Incnis Mrsi (talk) 09:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

How could the sysops possibly remedy this issue? Gryllida (talk) 09:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Sysops of en.Wikipedia? They can make a gadget of my script… whereas editing of $wgPdfOutputExtension is a purview of Wikimedia system administrators, who are not interested. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:27, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

"Structured data"

On each page describing a .jpg file there is a section: Structured data "Captions English Add a one-line explanation of what this file represents"

This section has its own "enter" command. How is this section intended to be used?

What is the purpose and meaning of the CC licensing apparently agreed to when entering data in this section?

Grateful for an explanation or link to such. Bengt Nyman (talk) 09:39, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Rendering images in slideshow.

Question about additional jpg-compression of images when rendered in Slideshows: Does wiki jpg-compress images harder for slideshow display than for ordinary display? The loss of resolution and quality when displayed in a slideshow is many times disturbing and renders many images undesirable when in a slideshow. Bengt Nyman (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

the reasons you outlined above are the reasons we don't have these ......pls don't add slideshows of random images with no accompanying text for the images to articles.... images are supposed to enhance text not stand on their own. If you're looking at adding lots and lots of Images Wikipedia Commons may be the place for you.--Moxy (talk) 21:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I asked a technical question which you have not answered. If you can not answer the question please do not use this space to express unrelated opinions. Bengt Nyman (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Could somebody with technical knowledge about the syntax and the jpg (or similar) compression used on images in the wiki slideshow syntax please address this question or link me to the appropriate, explanatory page. Thank You. Bengt Nyman (talk) 09:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Invert image?

Years ago, when I last added images to articles, there was some way of reversing the image (ie make somebody look in towards the body of the page if they are currently shown as looking out). This doesn't seem to appear on this how-to page: have I missed the instruction, or has the facility been dropped? AnOpenMedium (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

@AnOpenMedium: I don't think this has ever existed. This was discussed recently at Wikipedia talk:Extended image syntax#Feature Request: Mirror, and I'm sure someone would have mentioned it, had it once existed and been dropped. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Ah, thanks John of Reading. I should be able to help with this: as I said, years ago (nearly ten) I feel I used this on some image I had uploaded. However, in order to track back to what my failing memory can't recall, I need to find that image. And it seems that one consequence of my uploaded images being subsequently moved to Commons is that the record of what and when I created/uploaded back then is lost from my Contributions history.

If that isn't too backwards, maybe you can track things to their source or tell me how to, and then I might stand a chance of finding whatever it was that I flipped. Sorry, that's the best I can do for the moment. AnOpenMedium (talk) 08:31, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

@AnOpenMedium: If you've only seen this list of your uploads, take a look at your upload log, which includes files that are now at Commons. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:18, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks John of Reading, didn't know about that list! Well, I can't see any images which I have inverted, so perhaps this is all a false memory. But wonder why I would have imagined it? Never mind, apologies for wasting people's time. AnOpenMedium (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, for bios, doing this has frequently been opposed. Human faces are not entirely symmetrical and many editors have felt that flipping images of people's faces is a truth distortion, a falsification. I don't really buy this, but this controversy does in fact exist.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  09:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear AnOpenMedium, are you thinking of the {{mirrorH}} template? (mentioned in Help:Pictures#Tips)? It is used in articles like this:

[[File:Example.jpg|90px]] and <span style="{{mirrorH}}"> [[File:Example.jpg|90px]] </span> gives

and

Dear SMcCandlish, would you mind linking to another example of this controversy? I see John of Reading has already linked to one discussion where some people opposed mirroring, but if this is popping up again and again, perhaps we could improve Help:Pictures#Tips with a few words summarizing the current consensus and a link to the relevant guideline. --DavidCary (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@DavidCary: I wouldn't say "again and again". I've only encountered it as an "issue" on WP two or three times since ca. 2006. The first time was when I was working on William A. Spinks, another was the one you just mentioned, and I'm pretty sure there was another, a celeb bio article. So, it doesn't seem to be a common debate.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

horticultural

origin of tomatoes Goni Isah (talk) 18:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Header for files - use multiple image, other?

I am working on edits to an article, Procuratie, which uses a {{Multiple image}} template (vs. formatting with the standard "File:" format). I created this sandbox page with both formats for the same image, and the only difference is that there doesn't not seem to be a way to add a header to the File: format.

• Is there a way to add a header to the File approach that I am just not aware of? Another way?
• Is it okay to just leave the single image formatting using the multiple image template?

I have investigated templates and image how-to pages and cannot figure it out - and I wasn't sure where else to ask. Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:47, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm rather certain that there is no way to add a header using the standard "File:" format. Using {{Multiple image}} is an inventive way to achieve that, and there's nothing wrong with that. Another work-around would be to use a table structure, but that would probably be even more cumbersome. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your reply, Michael Bednarek. I thought of the table option, too, and came to the same conclusion. I cannot take credit for the creative use of the multiple image template, but am glad to hear that it's ok. Much appreciated!–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

"Image help" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Image help. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 14#Image help until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. — J947 ^[cont] 01:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

"Images help" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Images help. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 14#Images help until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. — J947 ^[cont] 01:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Picture from other languages wikipedia

How do to insert picture from other languages wikipedia? For example de:Image:Wien_03_Rudolf-von-Alt-Platz_a.jpg Voproshatel (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

That image is not hosted at the German Wikipedia but at Commons, so it can be included in any Wikipedia as [[File:Wien 03 Rudolf-von-Alt-Platz a.jpg]] -> File:Wien 03 Rudolf-von-Alt-Platz a.jpg. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:19, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

That image is not part of the question, it is for example. Than another example de:Image:Bundesgartenschau_Bonn_1979_-_Glockenhügel.jpeg Voproshatel (talk) 11:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I could only give an answer based on your question; I've misplaced my crystal ball. // That postcard seems unlikely to survive at the German Wikipedia for copyright reasons, and for the same reason won't be able to move to Commons. You could try to upload it to the English Wikipedia, to be used in an article with a WP:FAIRUSE rationale, but I doubt that will succeed. To answer the general question, How do to insert picture from other languages wikipedia? – Only images that are hosted at Commons or the English Wikipedia can be used in articles here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Inserting map thumbnail

First time attempting to add a picture, using template from Help:Pictures#Links, and ran into a roadblock. Maybe I'm just wanting someone to hold my hand, but it seems that instructions could afford to be clearer. The admin who responded at the Help Desk suggested I go here to voice the concern. Please see Wikipedia:Help_desk#Adding map thumbnail using external link for details; my proposed additions to the text of the instructions are at the end of the section. -- 2603:6081:8004:DD5:6451:2AC4:EB73:1BE (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

File breaks paragraphs, but no list items.

Just to show what I mean, I inserted the file here.

In my browser, the file breaks the paragraph and floats on the right of the next sentence, i.e., this sentence. I would like the file not to break the paragraph, juts as it happens when the file is inserted within a list item as shown in the next subsection.

Within a list item

• Here I show the behaviour, which I can obtain in a list item, but not within a simple paragraph outside a list. It will be nice to have an uniform behaviour. In my opinion, the behaviour obtained in a list item is the desired behaviour. Again, I inserted the file here.

  

  In my browser, the file does not break the paragraph and floats on the right of the next sentence, i.e., this sentence, but without breaking the paragraph.

Dominic Mayers (talk) 15:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

If your goal in the first example is to have the image float next to the paragraph without splitting it, you can already accomplish that by putting the [[File:...]] directive on a separate line above the paragraph. This also results in more readable wikitext, since you don't have the image syntax disrupting the prose of the paragraph, so it seems like a win-win to me. Colin M (talk) 18:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Some times, a paragraph is long and we want the image to appear in the middle of it, after some relevant text has been read, not at the top of the paragraph. I don't see in which way the image appearing later in the paragraph can be seen as disruptive at all. On the contrary, what is disruptive is to see the image on the left before it is useful. Also, the option to insert the file in the middle is already there, but definitively implemented in a very disruptive manner. I prefer that a paragraph is split because I wanted it explicitly, not because a file is inserted in the middle of it. So, it will be best to implement it in a non disruptive manner. This would not remove the option that you seem to prefer. Dominic Mayers (talk) 20:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Ultimately, wikitext markup is a pretty thin wrapper around HTML and, without getting into too much detail, what you're hoping to accomplish (having an image vertically aligned with a particular position in the text of a paragraph) is not a clean fit with the toolbox offered by HTML, and would probably require some complicated hacks or maybe some exotic CSS. You could approximate it by adding some top-margin space to the image, but it's impossible to know in advance exactly how much space would be required, since the vertical position of your paragraph midpoint will vary depending on the size of the reader's viewport (among other factors).

I don't think the reader experience is improved much by co-aligning images with text to such a high degree of precision. If the paragraph is really so long that this is an issue, maybe you should just consider breaking up the paragraph? Colin M (talk) 22:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

There are two aspects in your response. If it makes the code more complicated, then it might not be worth it. I would not argue against that, because I respect the people that work to maintain the code. However, you have not explained why we have this behaviour in list items. It is natural to expect that it is simple (for these people) to obtain the same behaviour in ordinary paragraphs as in list items. The other aspect is that you suggest that the correct intention of people should always to either split the paragraph or to have the picture float at its top. I believe that your generalization of people expectation is mistaken and that, on the contrary, in many circumstances a natural floating of the picture at the point of insertion without splitting would be expected and, if they want the splitting, they can do it by themselves. Dominic Mayers (talk) 22:41, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Again, it comes down to the mechanics of HTML elements. The paragraph element (<p>) only allows "phrasing content" as child elements. An image rendered with wiki markup is normally wrapped in a <div> element, which is not phrasing content. However the list item element (<li>) allows a larger range of child elements, including divs. Because of this, when the wiki rendering software encounters a div-wrapped image inside a paragraph, it splits the content before the image and the content after the image into two separate <p> elements. (If it didn't do this, the result would be technically invalid as HTML. How it would look in practice would be up to the browser - it might or might not match the list behaviour.) Colin M (talk) 14:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Turning a picture 90 degrees

The picture in Puerto El Triunfo needs to be turned 90 degrees to the left (counter-clockwise). How can I fix that? The user who uploaded the picture hasn't been active for 14 years. --Proofreader (talk) 12:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Proofreader: if the image is transferred to Commons, you can do it. Lotje (talk) 12:33, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Or you could try this. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Nice trick. But the image in the article also has a caption below it. That would appear to the right of the image which doesn't look too good. --Proofreader (talk) 12:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

It is on commons Lotje (talk) 12:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Wonder if this file should be transferred to commons. Lotje (talk) 13:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I transferred it to Commons. I ordered a bot to do the turning which may take a few hours but I hope this works. --Proofreader (talk) 13:03, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a problem with setting height in Minerva?

I just noticed Minerva fails to set image height at Opinion polling for the 2022 Brazilian general election#Apr – Jun, while Vector has no trouble doing it (both on mobile and desktop). What gives? — Guarapiranga ☎ 21:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

How do we display a set of images at a consistent size?

Images of things like the letters of the alphabet are often cropped to the object, resulting in all different heights and widths, so defining the width or height or both will result in them having wildly differing sizes. E.g. at Mon-Burmese_script#Characters, where I set them to a consistent height. How can we display them proportionally, say at 10% their actual size, without manually calculating each image? — kwami (talk) 22:00, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Kwamikagami, <gallery>...</gallery> tag, perhaps? Example:

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  k (/kaˀ/)
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  kh (/kʰaˀ/)
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  g (/kɛ̤ˀ/)
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  gh (/kʰɛ̤ˀ/)
• 
  ṅ (/ŋɛ̤ˀ/)
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  c (/caˀ/)
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  ch (/cʰaˀ/)
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  j (/cɛ̤ˀ/)
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  jh (/cʰɛ̤ˀ/)
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  ñ (/ɲɛ̤ˀ/)

—⁠andrybak (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that does look better. Thanks.

How do I get rid of the white background? I don't see it here, but I get it in the table. — kwami (talk) 22:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)