Draft talk:Foundation for Research on Information Technologies in Society

Draft:The Foundation for Research on Information Technologies in Society

Thanks for the feedback from 2 reviewers.

From Theroadislong:

Comment: we don't use any external links in the body of an article. Theroadislong (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I removed all external links from the text and made a list of external links (apparently too many, see DoubleGrazing comments) from at the end of the article.

From DoubleGrazing (who is currently on a wikibreak):

Comment: 1) Far too much of the content is unreferenced — where is all this information coming from? You should only summarise what reliable published sources have said, and from that it follows that every material statement should be clearly traceable to such a source. DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC) and 2) For establishing notability per WP:GNG, and to save having to sift through 35 (!) references, please highlight the three strongest sources in terms of meeting the GNG standard.

I find it difficult to resolve these 2 comments -- too much unreferenced content but too many references. All of the references meet the GNG standard.

Comment: 3) The number of items in the 'External links' section is far too great, and not in line with WP:EL. Please reduce to at most a few, ideally only one or two. DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I reduced the number of external links to 4.

More feedback welcome! PLBounds (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Reply to ScopeCreep

I hope this is the right way to address a response to ScopeCreep having declined my submission on the IT'IS Foundation. Your reason: "Article is full of external links in the body, which are illegal." At the time of that submission, I had already removed, I thought, all external links. When I recently started editing the article again, I found one more external link in the main text, which I thought I had deleted. It was an oversight. I would hardly describe it, however, as "full of external links". The article was first declined by Theroadislong: "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies." The article was next declined by DoubleGrazing: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.", with an additional comment suggesting that the (at that time) 31 references are too many references. Regarding the feedback from Theroadislong, I would argue that the article has been largely scrubbed of language that might be regarded as "self-promotional". Please compare the language to that of other articles about research institutes, e.g., Research Foundation – Flanders (FWO) -- the language in the IT'IS Foundation draft is at least as "encyclopedic" in style as that of the FWO article. The references in the IT'IS article are mainly to scientific publications in peer-reviewed journals. By comparison, the references in the FWO article are far less independent than those in the IT'IS article. To DoubleGrazing, I replied (see the draft's talk tab), that it is difficult to resolve that there is too much unreferenced content but too many references, and that all of the references meet the GNG standard. I am again updating the text of the draft and plan to resubmit soon. I am ever hopeful that whoever reviews the draft will find it worthy of publication. PLBounds (talk) 12:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:THREE best sources

Sorry, listed 4 best sources... Ref. 1: "Forschungsstiftung für Informationstechnologie und Gesellschaft". StiftungSchweiz. 4 August 2022. Retrieved 7 December 2023. https://stiftungen.stiftungschweiz.ch/organisation/forschungsstiftung-fuer-informationstechnologie-und-gesellschaft (the page about IT'IS at a website listing foundations in Switzerland) Ref. 2:"Foundation for Research on Information Technologies in Society, ETH Zurich". myscience.ch (myScience offers science news, a job and career portal for scientists, and practical information in Switzerland and Liechtenstein intended for researchers, scientists, engineers, academics and everyone interested in science and research) Ref. 3: "Spin-Off Companies and Foundations out of IIS". ETH Zurich. 7 December 2023. Retrieved 7 December 2023. https://iis.ee.ethz.ch/the-institute/spin-off-companies.html (a list of organizations spun off from the ETH Department of Information Technology and Electrical Engineering Integrated Systems Laboratory) Ref. 8: "IT'IS Foundation – Working with Life Sciences in a different way". Life Science Communication. 24 March 2016. Retrieved 7 December 2023. https://lscom.ch/en/itis-foundation-working-with-life-sciences-in-a-different-way/ (a news report about IT'IS at Life Science Communication, a consulting company for integrated communication and marketing)

Feedback

Thanks to Cabrils for feedback on this draft article about the IT'IS Foundation. Regarding notability, how do I convince the "wiki-police" of the importance of the research conducted by the IT'IS Foundation without sounding "self-promotional"? The IT'IS Foundation was started to provide research support to the development of research instruments and methods commercialized by Schmid and Partner AG (SPEAG), about which I also have a draft in limbo. SPEAG markets, among other things, systems that are used to test the safety of mobile phones. Virtually every phone sold in France (most likely all over Europe, possibly the rest of the world, but France is what I have data for) is tested with SPEAG equipment for electromagnetic radiation compliance. Since its founding, IT'IS has branched out into biomedical research, developing exposure chambers for animal studies, becoming involved in research on safety in MRI and wireless power transfer, and developing computational tools that include the Virtual Population, a set of morphable, posable computational (=numerical) human avatars as well as computational MRI bores and medical implants. According to the draft's talk page, the topic is within the scope of collaborative efforts on WikiProject Electrical engineering, WikiProject Computer science, WikiProject Higher education, and WikiProject Telecommunications, and the Foundation for Research on Information Technologies in Society is part of the WikiProject Biology. Regarding reliable sources, according to Help:Referencing for beginners, "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources." Almost all of the references I listed are scientific papers in peer-reviewed journals. As I commented earlier about the feedback from DoubleGrazing, that too much content is unreferenced and that there are too many references is an unresolvable conundrum. PLBounds (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

More feedback from Cabrils

Thanks again, lots of editing today, including several new citations, and a new list of WP:THREE best sources. PLBounds (talk) 17:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Submitting draft today

Thanks to Cabrils, I better understand referencing in wikipedia. In this version, many sources, including from a list of Swiss NPOs and entries in the commercial registry of canton Zurich, have been added. PLBounds (talk) 13:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Resubmitted...

With the help of StartGrammarTime at the help desk, who found the one remaining external link that I had been searching for, I converted the link to a webpage citation. Otherwise, I have trimmed the text, added another best source to the list (edited above), and added a paragraph, plus citation of a webpage, about the Katja Pokovic Research Fund. Also, the Sim4Life webpage citation is now a wikilink. GoneDutch (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)