Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-01-31/In the media

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On a side note not exactly related to this Signpost article, I was kinda shocked when former South African cricketer AB de Villiers told that he literally had tears in his eyes after reading the Wikipedia profile of Guyanese and West Indies cricketer Shamar Joseph. I myself started the article on Shamar Joseph but I literally wrote based on facts from a Cricbuzz article written by Bharat Sundaresan on the incredible rags to riches story of Shamar Joseph. Well AB quoted to have said "Do yourself a favour, go read about his life on wikipedia! Literally had tears in my eyes while reading about his journey. Inspirational to say the least". Abishe (talk) 16:42, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abishe: thank you for bringing that great story here to The Signpost. Thanks for starting the article. And it even appears to be news, much of this seems to have taken place in Australia in January 2024. Now I don't understand anything about cricket (some variant of baseball, right?), but it's a heck of a story and even got a couple of tears from me. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 18:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Literal who?

Since when should anyone here care what rando Matt Walsh says? (And arguably, since when in the past week, or 6 months, should anyone care about Nikki Haley either?) More seriously for a WP publication, the article in question does not claim nor quote Walsh as implying that WP reports on anything like Haley's skin color. The entirety of the article that has to do with WP is a quote from Walsh: ... And when I found out, like most people, I said, what? Nikki Haley isn't white? And I had to go check Wikipedia, and sure enough, like, oh, she's from -- her family's from India. I had no idea.

So how does article this warrant even a mention here, much less 200 words? SamuelRiv (talk) 18:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We pick ITM items based on a mix of tips, personal interest, and patrolling of news aggregation newsfeeds. This one happened to appear on my radar the third way, indicating that at least the aggregator thought it was newsworthy. It's worth pointing out that Matt Walsh is deemed a notable commentator by our own standards (I decided not to link his name in the item for reasons). Two of us on the Signpost team worked this item, so I'll stand by to see if the other author has anything more to say about it. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Am I the only person who sees a conceptual switcheroo in this? First of all, just to address the elephant in the room here, Nikki Haley is not really brown... So, if Nikki Haley's brown, she's only brown in the sense that any white person is brown. I'm not doubting that Haley's family is really from India. They are. But the point is that if she doesn't tell you she's brown, you would never know. In fact, like most people, I didn't find out until this election cycle that Haley is Indian. And when I found out, like most people, I said, what? Nikki Haley isn't white? And I had to go check Wikipedia, and sure enough, like, oh, she's from -- her family's from India. I had no idea. All that to say her stories of anti-brown persecution strain credulity from the start.

He's complaining that Nikki Haley claims she's brown, says he didn't believe it until he checked Wikipedia where he found out that her family is from India. I would have thought that any political commentator would have known that she was ethnically Indian back when she was UN ambassador, or maybe during last year's debates when two Indian-Americans, Haley and Vivek, were on the stage together. But he's not talking about Indian ethnicity, the elephant in the room is her skin-color. So, according to him, he hears Haley is brown-skinned and checks out Wikipedia and sure enough learns that she is Indian. Totally bogus IMHO. The rest is just as bogus. No discrimination in SC in the 1980s (!). That she is creating stories about anti-brown persecution. (Just bogus).

ML King said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character". Walsh would disagree with me on this being an important priciple, I'm sure. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 22:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SF Gate

I'm noticing that an SFGate article was mentioned in this, but is attributed to the San Francisco Chronicle. While the two newsrooms were connected historically, they were split in 2019 and have since then been independent of one another. My apologies for not catching this before publication, but would someone please correct the attribution in the article? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Red-tailed hawk Good catch! It's SFGATE. I thought I keep pretty good track of these things, but, 5 years after the fact, I guess I haven't. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 22:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In brief

I took a look at the article Military operations in Ukraine (from 2022), and it is as you'd expect, for example citing from "westerners" only Nicolas Sarkozy and Elon Musk on the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Related articles are similarly partisan. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 09:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Tell it like it is

The New York Post was shocked to learn that Katherine Maher, the new NPR CEO, had tweeted in 2018 that "Donald Trump is a racist".

The Signpost missed an opportunity to note that former reality television actor Donald Trump has been accused of racism since at least the early 1970s (see Racial views of Donald Trump), and that the New York Post has been shilling for Trump since the 1980s.[1] Viriditas (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harper's Magazine

"Comprised of" isn't a "grammatically incorrect phrase". Even Giraffedata himself says it isn't. Nardog (talk) 01:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]