Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Issue 002

Placeholder for next time

This page is a placeholder for discussion of what to say in the NEXT newsletter. Since a recepient characterised Issue 001 as "not finished yet" when it was delivered... :) maybe this one we talk about a bit more? or less, maybe?? Oh I dunno. ++Lar: t/c 21:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Why would we send it if it were not finished? I will ask him/her why they felt it wasn't - see if there is anything we missed. On Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles I suggested that the Navbox be included as a featured "To Do" item for this, as you and Kingboyk have more than enough on your plates and my knowledge isn't up to the task. Any fool , er, editor who takes it on can then be tapped for other tech stuff.LessHeard vanU 22:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I have asked.LessHeard vanU 22:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, I just thought it was funny! it's good to always have stuff left to do, keeps interest up. We all contribute in ways that are comfy for us... so don't worry about that either. As to striking things out, it is stock HTML. the <s> tag is how you do it. ++Lar: t/c 22:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

If that user comes back with good tips and stuff, then it is good. If not, no big deal. I've noted your comments elsewhere about the Navbox, and fine and thanks. I do wonder if we should have a technical todo on this issue, just to see if we can "snare" another user with those skills? ps. I have tried the HMTL... hits preview button... and, thank you (again).LessHeard vanU 23:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Every user on the project has done good stuff including GP... Some more than others, is all. I'm not worried. we'll get there eventually, and till then we're having fun. ++Lar: t/c 00:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I've elaborated a bit on the talk page where I originally posted the comment. (I guess it's the one for Issue 001?) I don't have any suggestions for the next issue, as of yet, but, like I said on the other page, we have a whole month to put it together this time. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 03:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Project tips

If we go with a project tips box for issue 002, should Project be capitalised? ("Some project tips" vs. "Some Project tips") I oppose changing what issue 001 says, it's historic now, and should not be changed. I'm of two minds about issue 2. Usage to me suggests it not be capitalised but I'm not all atwitter about it. ++Lar: t/c 15:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

As the title at the top of this page includes "WikiProject" then I suppose the capitalisation of the "P" would be correct, too. It might make the newsletter look more professional (if that is the image we wish to present*) as well.*sometimes "professional" doesn't look "friendly", it depends what we are trying to achieve.LessHeard vanU 20:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

If we called the tagline "some WikiProject tips" I'd agree (and I'd be fine with calling it that if we wanted to). But just project doesn't seem to need to carry the capital that way. IMHO anyway. Not that this is the biggest issue facing us, of course. Grin. ++Lar: t/c 20:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Not the biggest, no.... but if we do capitalise it, do we then refer to it as "The Project" or "the Project"? Evil grin!LessHeard vanU 21:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Smartass! Ok, (slightly) more seriously, maybe we better send Yoko an email and ask her? ++Lar: t/c 21:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Project with a capital P! It's the only way to go! I'm ready to go 10RR on this one :) (Kidding. I think it should be capitalised, but I don't really care as long as we're consistent). --kingboyk 21:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Timescales

Did I miss something in the talk pages regarding the last issue, but do we have a schedule for the newsletters? Are they to be monthly, quarterly or "when we have enough content"? Should we not, my opinion is that the last is a complete no-no; it would mean that the second newsletter may well be the last. Quarterly is too long to maintain a regular flow of "prompts" and "nudges" to build the momentum which should be the purpose of the thing. So, am I assuming that it will be monthly? My opinion about this is that it would divert the major contributors to the Project from doing editing the articles to creating the newsletter (this is not me, I hasten to add). This may be a short term loss for long term gain for the project, but perhaps it could be managed so that the time spent on the newsletter does not interfere too much with work on the Project.

I am going to suggest that the 'current' editors (that is those named from the previous newsletter - less any who are no longer involved - plus those contributing to the forthcoming) have a intense brainstorming day (to deal with timezones) a week before the newsletter is due to run to agree content and stuff, and then write, discuss, checkover and test over the rest of the week and let it fly. This gives the various editors 3 weeks in the month to work on the Project (plus other Wiki interests - also other internet stuff and that peculiar process outside of the internet termed "life"), then a day devoted to the upcoming issue and a fairly relaxed week fine tuning it (where time can be wasted on those other activities mentioned above.)

Would this work for the would be editors of Issue 002?LessHeard vanU 21:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. I'll chime in when I have an opinion. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me too. I'm willing to do the delivery and some light review of content for typos etc, but would rather not be a primary content provider. And yes I think a fixed frequency is the way to go, not a "whenever"... monthly is probably right. or maybe every six weeks. Nothing wrong with brainstorming up some topics any time though if people get motivated. ++Lar: t/c 00:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Does the weekend of 20th/21st May suit people? The 27/8th is the UK Bank Holiday weekend, and I will be away from the computer for that week. If we can do the bulk of the work on a weekend day before, then it will just be a case of finishing touches before using Lars good offices to send it (I'm presuming we are looking to send it around the 1st June). If the 20/21 weekend suits everyone then we can pick which day is best for all of us.LessHeard vanU 15:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that's alright with me, though Memorial Day weekend would probably be better. (OK, they're probably both the same. I'm here all the time, anyway....) —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 19:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think monthly. I'd propose we change the content of the portal at the same time. I've made it Apple Records this month, because Apple was in the news, so have a think folks what our "featured article" should be next month. --kingboyk 21:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

PS Lar and I have done a lot of work on the Project, and we're probably sick of hearing our own voices. If either or both of us are not around, you guys go ahead. As I've said before, we're all equals around here. --kingboyk 21:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

You have been conspicious by your absence!*grin* One of the reasons I have been promoting the brainstorming day is that I have never produced a newsletter before - my first proposed question on any agenda is... "er, do any of you lot know how to do this?" If it is any more difficult than copying over the format of newsletter 001 and substituting various fields - then my knowledge is insufficient... I hope Lar and GPH have some techy skills as well as ideas.LessHeard vanU 12:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, well, I didn't think to watchlist this one and I saw it in one of you's contributions - probably yours :) You've just reminded me, I planned (plan) to create a "skeleton newsletter" for subst'ing in to create future editions. I'll do it later. --kingboyk 12:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

That would be extremely useful. Thanks.(just let me know how to "subst" and I shan't overly bother you too much)LessHeard vanU 13:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Template. Usage:

{{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Template}}

I'll run a test now in my sandbox just to be sure that's right... --kingboyk 13:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Template

A template seems very useful, well done. Another trick is to keep the whole new issue inside noinclude tags till we are ready so that it doesn't appear in the archives. (perhaps leaving just a "still being written, come help" tagline?) I would say starting from last issue is not bad but we do want to say new things. Does the tips section stay? stay with changes? or go? Again, I am happy to deliver it but don't count on me for much actual content. Happy to nitpick small changes, and provide tech support where I can too, of course. ++Lar: t/c 13:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've tweaked same a fair bit. Comments welcomed of course (perhaps there...) ++Lar: t/c 15:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The "still being written, come help" tagline would be very helpful - I think I may need all the help I can get if I am to help steward it toward completion. Re, the tips section; if there are other tips that are useful (like "Please use your watchlist for this project" etc.) then they can substitute the previous set completely or partly - what may be obvious to some may not be for others.

There does need to be somebody with a fairly good over-view on what has happened since the last letter. I am aware of the Apple Corp vs. Apple Computer case, and the reporting of same in Wikinews, and Steelbeard (? I would need to check) being active in turning red links blue. Is there anything else an editor should know...?LessHeard vanU 21:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't think of anything else at the moment... feel free to wikistalk through my contribs though! :) And, hey, I'll make a note of anything which happens hereon in and - on past form - I'll probably be here anyway :) (although if you wanna be lead editor on the next one regardless, I'd be thrilled to give you the golden pen) --kingboyk 10:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC) PS: Actually, we made contact with the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team but that's more of a "watch this space" at the moment. We also offered some help and advice to the new Queen WikiProject, but it's no big deal and not very newsworthy. Just look at Wikipedia/Wikipedia talk in my contribs to find these things.

I do not want to be lead editor, but you and Lar have been doing a lot of stuff between you - and I have sort of fell into being cheerleader this time round. Should any editor have a burning desire to take over, I would gladly step aside. However, I really aught to do a bit more than do spell and grammer checks and suggest a few nice finishes once the hard work has been down. Even if it is a disaster - then your past and future efforts will be the more appreciated!*grin*LessHeard vanU 20:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's do it!!!

So... I'll try and find the template at stick it the project page. You lot will start to fill it in?LessHeard vanU 20:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I've gone and asked for help at a few user talkpages (the previous editors and a couple of the more recent contributors). I've started the newsletter by mentioning the Apple Corp/Computers case - but need links and stuff (like the name of the Court in London) added, plus a proper notation on those Project members who kept it on Wikinews.

I DON'T feel it appropriate to include the Macca/Mills seperation, as it didn't make WikiNews and was a mere footnote in the McCartney page. There are a lot more more worthy contributions being made (IMHO!!)LessHeard vanU 20:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

My thinking is that maybe a news item discussing why it's not newsworthy and what it means to the project (little or nothing?) might be a worthy item?? As I said, I have no major content to contribute but am good for edit checking and for delivery, as promised... ++Lar: t/c 21:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I shall wait on a couple more responses - in case anyone does think it worthy of comment in itself, or thinks it unworthy of even mentioning as proposed by you - and see what I can do. Er... is there anything else you think noteworthy that could be included? If so, give me a link and I will do the reporting of same.LessHeard vanU 21:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Best clear up one little thing right away :) - the "In the news" section on the front page is not wikinews - that's actually a seperate site. Rather, the section links to new or updated articles which have changed in response to the news. The Apple case got onto the front page due to my efforts - nominating it, then actually adding it when nobody the objected. I also "created" the article, but mostly from the work of others as I just split it out of the Notable litigation of Apple Computer article. (It was more the work of the Apple Mac fans here than Beatle people). Guy Goma makes an interesting little footnote to this news event too. --kingboyk 02:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask you to author this piece of news, since you have the most knowledge of it and will have all the links? If you want to explain what you did in the newsletter, for future reference for techno-duffers (me, that that is), then you can do it on this page. I shan't ask you for any other contributions to this newsletter (but if you feel the need to...!*grin*)LessHeard vanU 08:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Other stuff:

• I don't think a lot's been happening in Project space, alas, apart from (and this is probably worth mentioning) continuing lively debate on the policy talk page. (Sometimes a bit too lively perhaps!).
• Project member (cofounder I guess!) Lar was promoted to adminship since the last newsletter
• We have several new articles as listed in the log
• The Beatles discography has been given a springclean thanks to User:Analogdemon, with the inimitable User:Steelbeard1 following close behind. In my opinion at least, it looks a lot nicer now.
• What else, I don't know? Tell me what's been happening in watchlist-land for you people - I've been a bit busy working on getting The KLF to Featured Article status! --kingboyk 02:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The above is good stuff. My suggestion would be to recap the talk page debate points, go with the above items, and also talk a bit about the effort to get History straightened around (we mentioned it last month but...) that's actually a rather full issue. Do any of them go to the right as tips or special notes or whatever?++Lar: t/c 03:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we need make stuff as "tips" just because the news section is full. As this is a newsletter then news items are the premium requirements. The tipsbox was useful to fill out the first issue, and may be so again in future editions. Unless there is a burning issue that can be covered in a tipsbox, I think it should be used on the above basis.

Somewhere in this project we discussed the red-links to Apple Records artists, and it was suggested that we ask for responses on the proposals that red-linked artists should be delinked for the time being or left as red-links for the time being or request somebody adopt them as a project; responses to the relevant talk page. Is anyone able to create a specific box within the newsletter, laying out the comment, options and link? (Like the tipsbox, this could be an occasional element in future newsletters.)LessHeard vanU 08:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree re the tips. I didn't like them very much, and they're filler. However, it is a Project newsletter not a Beatles newsletter, so bear that in mind when selecting content. Apple artists? Not sure. It was kinda resolved but only in a "wait and see" sort of way :) --kingboyk 10:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Honours, awards and other vanity: I'm already an admin (happened just as the Project was starting). This month I've received a music barnstar (which is on my user page) and The Beatles are specifically mentioned... and I helped get The KLF to featured status. None of this is big news, possible filler though. --kingboyk 10:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

As the current wielder of the "golden pen", I would suggest that the newsletter reflects current events - so I would like to include the music barnstar (especially with the The Beatles connection) and mention the KLF featured status award* in passing (but the Adminship is "old news" to speak). I will add it to the Lar news, as it is similar in content.LessHeard vanU 20:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, great! When does it appear?LessHeard vanU 20:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

If you mean The KLF, it got promoted today. Front page appearances aren't automatic, but should follow some time (maybe when an important anniversary comes up)... watch this space :) --kingboyk 20:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I should mention - project member User:ZincOrbie got a barnstar at the same time as me, for his work on Badfinger. He is however "missing in action". --kingboyk 20:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

If he is on the mailing list, mention it - perhaps he will feel guilty enough to rejoin the fold!*grin*LessHeard vanU 21:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

One other issue - there may or may not be news about Wikipedia 1.0/what will be expected of us regarding article classification. I think Lar might have a better idea about this than me. (Or, it will have to wait until next month). --kingboyk 20:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

As I don't have a clue what the above means I personally will not include it. If Lar thinks it noteworthy then perhaps he would like to add it (in layman terms, please!)LessHeard vanU 21:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Should we include the creation of the Project navbox in the news? If so, (a link please, so I can refresh my memory) I think that that would be enough news for now - and that any important stuff that appears before publication should be at the expense of a "weaker" item e.g. the McCartney/Mills piece.LessHeard vanU 21:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Too late re Macca/Mills, I've already zapped it :) Lar wanted us to mention the History of the Beatles article/debate/plan of action, which I think is a good idea. Navbox is great but not worth documenting I feel. --kingboyk 22:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Enough news? and layout

The newsletter is getting a little lopsided with the amount of news. Should we move to the fine tuning stage? Can we also move the "to do" section (I would like to mention "History" and DavidWBrooks input - and a plea for assistance) to under the editors comments (not a big deal if it is not worth the work)?LessHeard vanU 21:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

If someone could kindly type "TEXT" in the area where I can start editing the "History" stuff I will make a start on Tuesday 23rd (I have a funeral to go to tomorrow and will be back late - folk are welcome to edit in the meantime).LessHeard vanU 22:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. I've marked out a possible spot for that topic - it's a large area of whitespace we as may well use. There are a few HTML comments which need to be observed/acted on/removed, and then I guess it's copyedit time. Good work! --kingboyk 22:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I've filled the space - and would be grateful if anyone would review it. I've also concluded (as far as I am concerned - always space for more contributions) the "from the editors". There appears to be a bit of space within news (for any last minute breaking project info) and any other "to do" matters. If there are no other comments - and hopefully a review from a third party (that would be you, Gentle Reader) - then it can be passed to Lar. I assume it will be he who will remove HMTL tags and comments (?).LessHeard vanU 21:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

In general this looks really good. If anything it's fatter than I expected. Some thinning out of words may be needed, not sure. In particular this bit" Whilst there has been a couple of Beatles related items in the news recently, the work on The Beatles Project continues as before. This newsletter is intended to keep you up to date with what has been happening and, perhaps more importantly, what needs to be done (see "History" above and "To Do" list left)." seems a bit wordy. What I was getting at was to briefly mention the newsitems but say that we focus on articles not news. Not sure how to say that! ... What is our target delivery date? I will do the delivery, with a subst of the todo list just before delivery. As for the 1.0 stuff, best not to mention it or if at all just suggest people keep an eye on developments. Steve and I have yet to have our chat about what it means to the project and my (increasingly backlevel) automation, so I say next month is soon enough. Good work , all you contributors! ++Lar: t/c 21:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

My personal view is that the "from the editors" bit is where "we" can be friendly and informal, as much of the newsletter is precis and listings (which is why I transferred asking people to register as participants and advise of promotions/awards to that section from the news items concerned). If anyone thinks it is verbose, and by trimming it it will make the layout better, then please do cut into it.

Since it is the June newsletter, then I feel the weekend of 27/28th May would be suitable - hopefully you (Lar) will have more time to do it and it will hit peoples userpages during their weekend.LessHeard vanU 12:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

As stated in my edit summary: "Big trim (needs a copyedit) to try and reduce whitespace; rv if you don't like it". However, if you do revert please retain the link I added. We have a Project page for discussing the issue about the History article. :) Other than that, looking good to me mate! --kingboyk 13:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It's all good... Since you (Lar and Kingboyk) both concluded that there was too much waffle in the "History" piece I will go with the majority re edit, but I want DavidWBrooks and Vera, Chuck & Daves names mentioned. I believe if editors input is recognised then they are likely to continue after the first flush of enthusiasm has waned (same reason of mentioning new "participants" in the news items, creating the illusion of loyalty). I will make it brief, but please edit to suit.LessHeard vanU 20:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Can't argue with that rationale! :) --kingboyk 20:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

More news

There's been a little flurry of activity today, as with the assistance of User:Lar I've overhauled the article classification system and our main Project talk page template. Please see Template:WPBeatles, Template_talk:WPBeatles#This_template_just_got_serious_:.29, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification#Changes_to_grading_and_templates, User_talk:Lar#Beatles_WikiProject and Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index_of_subjects#So.2C_how_do_we_use_it.3F for all the juicy info. --kingboyk 20:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Or I could just say, "You guys dun it, den you guys rite it!" By the time I've reviewed the various pages (and corresponded enough to ensure I understood things) and written the piece it might get into Julys newsletter - so I think I will throw the ball back into your court.LessHeard vanU 20:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)ps. If Lar writes so much as one original word he gets an editor credit! No arguments!!*grin*

Hmm... I don't feel much like writing any more about it right now :) Could you use what I wrote at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification#Changes_to_grading_and_templates, or shall we hold this for next month? This is gonna be an ongoing story anyway... --kingboyk 20:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Use it? I don't fucking ruddy understand it! I am not going to write anything for fear of misrepresentation - and being shown up for the idiot I am (and the bucketmouth, too).... I will do a very simple direct and leave it at that. As it is an ongoing matter (?) then perhaps a larger piece for next months? I will do my bit on the newsletter, and let you decide whether it stays or keeps till next month.LessHeard vanU 20:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Okie doke. It can wait. I'm in winding-down-with-a-beer mode now :) --kingboyk 20:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I've written it. That reminds me, I have a beer in the fridge!LessHeard vanU 20:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Enjoy your beer! --kingboyk 20:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Any credits due for Wikipedia:Version_0.5? I understand Lar was involved?LessHeard vanU 21:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Had nothing to do with our Project as far as I know. --kingboyk 22:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Nor did I. I see The Beatles was selected for inclusion but I had no input into that. Worth a mention perhaps though. ++Lar: t/c 13:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Editor credits

I really do not like the "Editor in Chief" appellations*! I feel this is a community project, and thus newsletter, and I don't think promoting one persons contributions as more important than another is the way to go (even if this is not what was intended). If anyone is interested they could look up in the history to see who did what. This is not false modesty, I think it may discourage other contributors; either they may believe there is some standard to be achieved - or they think there is a set group of people in place already so they don't have to bother. I shall not change it myself as there is the views of others to consider - much as I won't list Lar as an editor (though I feel he should be) as it is against his wishes.LessHeard vanU 13:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Change it to "This Month's Editor in Chief" then. You did most of the work, and I was close behind, and there's nothing wrong with giving and receiving credit where it's due. (In fact, I think it should be encouraged). By adding "This Month's" we emphasise that by 4 weeks time we might have been booted out and you humble reader might be Editor in Chief! (And, you know what, I'd like it if I could get an issue land on my talk page with no prior knowledge of what it would say - except I'd then probably grumble about its shortcomings :P) --kingboyk 13:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I compromised by making it "This Month's Lead Editor", which works well IMO. If you really want to be surprised I can arrange it for next months newsletter - I will subs't some other username on all your contributions!*evil grin*

I shall be around this evening, doing the usual, but I am off tomorrow for a few days holiday (no computers). When the newsletter is finished it can be handed over to Lar to remove the tags and send it out this weekend.LessHeard vanU 20:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I tweaked the section a bit. Let me know what you think. (I actually missed the talk the first time around, but I changed it before anyone noticed....) —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 20:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I got an edit conflict banner, so my variation didn't fly. Lead is good, it just means someone got there first. I do have a problem with "titles" that I feel unworthy. My problem, but one I hope folk will humour me over.LessHeard vanU 20:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't feel unworthy, you've done brill this issue, I feel. Credit where credit is due is my motto... but won't push the point if you're not comfy. "Lead" is shorter than "Editor in chief" anyway! ++Lar: t/c 13:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Ready to go??

Wow. After the "gee what are we going to say" discussion at the start, I was quite amazed/impressed/pleased/floored with how FAT this issue was!!!! Well done all you editors... but of course we don't want it to be TOO fat. So I've given the issue a copyedit, looking for ways to take words out and tighten up the prose, but keep meaning. I think I've done OK at that. I also clarified and expanded a few things and gave a few more links. I also put a skeleton for issue three in place and put a link to it on the outreach page, and in the newsletter itself.

Are we ready to go with this issue? I'll get this out (regenerate the subscriber list, subst the todo list into the issue so it's "frozen" and do an AWB run to leave a copy with everyone except GP who wants only to be notified) later today if so. Of course, please feel free to change any of mychanges (goes without saying but I DO like saying it!) Oh... and of course this qualifies me as an editor... tee hee. ++Lar: t/c 13:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

everyone except GP... and Gruntness, who has the page watchlisted. --kingboyk 17:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks and sounds good to me. Lessheard said he is off for a couple of days so you might have to make an executive decision on whether to start firing. --kingboyk 13:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I think first thing tomorrow (my time) if no one has squawked by then, I'll call it and away it goes... ++Lar: t/c 22:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't see this before, and I did some more editing to the issue. I think that we should never jump the gun on sending out an issue. It should be released as close to the last day/first day of the month as possible. There's still 4 days left in the month, so I think we should let them play out. It'll allow for any last minute copyediting. Plus, a lot could happen in four days (in terms of news). —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 00:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a question of when the distributor is available to fire it out (although, that said, I'm quite happy to do it, and I'm here every day) but also of not leaving it around too long so that it gets stale. We probably have slightly different opinions on the required quality, and as always mine is just an opinion. Everyone has them and... :) --kingboyk 07:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The 31st is a Tuesday but it's the day after a holiday for us in the US, and it will be my first day at a new client. So I won't be able to do the run till the evening (when, it technically will be 1 June in some parts of the world). I'm fine with waiting and happy to do it (and in fact would prefer to do it as I have already set up the needed lists) but my preference would be to do it today or at latest, tomorrow morning, before I fly out in the afternoon. ++Lar: t/c 14:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

You crazy people and your jobs. That's why I do my editing at home. Alright, well, feel free to release whenever you're ready. (I don't see it as a big deal if it's already June 1st in certain parts of the world when you release, but meh.) But don't come crying to me if something huge happens between now and June 1st. ;) —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 23:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, as a note I did not use the template for issue 3, as I forgot about it! I just copied issue 2 and trimmed a lot away. The template perhaps could be enhanced with the stuff I left (new people, articles added etc, are all stubbed out but present in the items list)~ thoughts? I'll do it if I remember. ++Lar: t/c 13:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the contents, as above, could be added to the template along with any subsequent headings we find useful. That way we have existing lists for most contingencies/requirements. Then it would be a matter of removing unused items prior to despatch. However, as I mentioned on the latest newsletter talk page, it is up to the contributing editors to agree layout, style and content - it just means that there is a comprehensive template to deviate from,LessHeard vanU 10:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. That's the purpose of the template (to set it up as before) and the reason for subst'ing (that month's editors can change it as they see fit). So, fire away my man! --kingboyk 11:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Delivery

I know I've wiggled around on this a lot. I just got to MSP about 2 hours ago and after catching up on WP:AN/I (what a mess!) I'm out of time for tonite, so I'll do it tomorrow (Tuesday) after work. That will be May 30, May 31 in some parts of the world which is close enough. If something really huge happens late May 31, we'll hear about it next month. I do want to do the delivery, don't anyone else "hog the fun!" (please?) ++Lar: t/c 04:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I've only just returned - and if it hasn't been delivered already I'm putting a couple of new participants in the newsletter. If it has gone, then they need putting into the next one.LessHeard vanU 16:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hasn't went. Do it. (I think maybe you just did...) ++Lar: t/c 17:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Delivered

If anyone has any complaints, you know what to do... ++Lar: t/c 01:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

"cat complaints > /dev/null" ? --kingboyk 08:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Last job

Could someone move these pages to the relevent section in... um... er... wherever it was that Issue 001 was placed?LessHeard vanU 11:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

If you mean this [1], done! If not, please elaborate. --kingboyk 11:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)