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Zhongzheng Memorial

Are you guys okay with having Zhongzheng Memorial as the image for our project banner? I thought it was one the more symbolized structure of Taiwan. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 17:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Something more 'Taiwan' would be better. Wenzi 00:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer Taipei 101. CKS Memorial is the symbol of Taiwan's past, the martial law era, and I think we should go with something that symbolizes the future of Taiwan. 23:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I vote for Taipei 101. --Ideogram 07:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is it changed back again?--Jerrypp772000 01:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Guess who? -Loren 06:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you get rid of the Chiang Kao-shek Memorial? Is the WikiItaly page fronted by a pic of Mussolini? There are so many things that can symbolize Taiwan. Localization movements have focused on nature, especially Jade Mountain (Yu Shan). A nice pic of that would make a much better statement about Taiwan. If you want something recognized, go with Taipei 101. But CKS? He shot thousands of people in Taiwan.... Michael Turton

Let's not get into the Chiang Kai-Shek topic. I agree your opinion. The picture is now changed back. If the user tries to change it back again, we will try to get the template protected. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Chiang Kai-shek was an honorable man who protected the Free Republic of China. He should be respected and not compared to Mussolini. You guys should not make controversial comments like that Alex678 01:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Neo-Nazi groups also respect Hitler and his Nazi party. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, and you really can't tell them what to do or what to think. Kc0616 11:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Selected articles/pictures on Portal page

Hi, can anyone come up with a way that everyone can add/edit items for upcoming:

• Selected article
• Selected biography
• Selected picture
• Did you know

So that we have a monthly selection prepared at least 3 months in advance? — Nrtm81 10:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Can we organize it the way it is organized in Portal:China right now? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 21:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Can you change the templates so that it functions like Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 2006. So that selected articles/biography/picture will display automatically each month (or every day, if anyone is dedicated enough to find and add articles in advance). — Nrtm81 02:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's already set that way, but I just fixed the title so it's more clear. Should we put a article nomination place, or just discuss next month's selected page in talk pages? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 07:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just created Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwan/Selected articles. How about a page like that? If it's not good, then you can list it for speedy deletion. — Nrtm81 09:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I created a similar page on Portal:Taiwan a while ago, Portal:Taiwan/Selected article and pictures. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 00:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

( b^ 0^)b w00t — Nrtm81 00:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicities in Taiwan

71.106.149.53 keeps deleting this image from Demographics of Taiwan. He says it is inaccurate and accuses it of being PRC propaganda. Is it incorrect to call Hakka and Minnan people Han Chinese? And is the image violating NPOV? — Nrtm81 06:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, maybe that guy is a nut, he's gone off to write "non-Han Chinese" in Hakka and Hoklo people. I hate it when people get all political... — Nrtm81 07:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded a newer image at Commons which replaced "Han Chinese" with just "Chinese". I hope it's OK, since that seemed to be the only issue that person had over the image. If there's any objection please leave me a message on my talk page. — Nrtm81 22:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Anyone ever look at this page? lol. There's a bigger issue now, see Talk:Taiwanese people. There is a view that Taiwanese (Hoklo & Hakka) are no longer Chinese and should be regarded seperately as "Taiwanese" and not Chinese. I think it's based on the claim that over 88% of Taiwanese have aboriginal blood. If anyone in Taiwan can find the research or any source to support this claim, please help out. — Nrtm81 01:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't spend too much time arguing with these kind of people. But I'll see what I can look up... AQu01rius (User • Talk) 07:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This problem still exists. I suggest the articles that are controversial be semi-protected, such as:

• Demographics of Taiwan
• Taiwanese people
• Taiwan's identity crisis

There is an anonymous user who is definitely pushing a POV agenda. I noticed his recent edits in Demographics of Taiwan, where he has changed the text under Nationality which said Taiwanese are officially "Chinese citizens" (fact) to "Taiwanese citizens". Other things is to change anything "Chinese" to "Taiwanese" such as the population of ROC is 98% Taiwanese instead of 98% Chinese — Nrtm81 04:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The Taiwanese are not officially Chinese citizens, and being a Chinese citizen is not an ethnicity. It would be better to use the systems used by the locals themselves, who divide Taiwan into four broad groups, Mainlanders (post-1945 Chinese immigrants), Taiwanese (pre-1945), Hakkas, and aborigines. The term "Taiwanese" is confusing because it can designate any or all those groups. -- Michael Turton

Yes, Michael Turton is correct and the diagram above is not. What the diagram actually refers to is racial--and not really existing ethnic--divisions/classes. My suspicion is that the creator of this diagram was him/herself a "Han Chinese" who wanted to push a POV agenda to obscure or cover over the classification Michael Turton mentions is normally used by locals (i.e., 外省人,臺灣人,客家人,原住民), and which classifies ethnicity on the basis of one's mother-tongue (and not his/her racial origin). It's unfortunate, but many Chinese are racists. Nostalgiphile 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Awards

User:Miborovsky have created this image (see left) a while ago. While it's unsuitable for WikiProject China, I think it will suit perfectly for WikiProject Taiwan. It combines together the Wikipedian barnstar and the Blue Sky White Sun Medal of Honor together. Should we use this image for our awards template? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 01:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I prefer something original and Taiwan related. =) Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 06:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)