Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Green Politics/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Start

Welcome to the discussion. A place where we can work together! Me-123567-Me (talk) 02:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Rescue!

I added this section under articles. Let's not list too many articles there, and instead improve what is there, and then go hunting for the next 5 - 10 articles. That way we can get some real movement made. We can also discuss here articles that may not be able to be rescued if we can't find sources. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Proposal

@Me-123567-Me: I propose that we change the title of this WikiProject to WikiProject Green Movement. Thoughts? J 947 21:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@J947: - Green movement is extremely vague. It could mean anything Green, and the idea with the project is to focus on the political. So if we were to change it, I could see WikiProject Green Politics at best. We could have sub-task force for the other related areas, and by leaving it hopefully we can get a vast number of Green Party articles improved. So many are so short with so few references. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Me-123567-Me: I agree with renaming to WikiProject Green Politics. J 947 21:45, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Plus there's a ton of work in re-naming such as renaming the categories attached to the project. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:32, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

That's why I decided to put the proposal out early. J 947 21:45, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, ok. Go ahead. Just put the old categories on speedy deletion. I'll create a new image for the banner. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Standards

What kinds of standards do we need to set for our articles? Length? Expectations? Any special templates we don't have? Me-123567-Me (talk) 02:54, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Merge discussion

I've proposed merging both the Green Party of Texas and the Green Party of New Jersey into List of state Green Parties in the United States. Discussion at Talk:List of state Green Parties in the United States. Me-123567-Me (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Handling of uncited material

Recently I removed a bunch of uncited material from a few articles such as the Ecologist Green Party of Mexico‎ and the Green Party of Rhode Island‎. Many articles like this sit with tags asking for sources for years. Bcharles thinks they should just remain tagged. What do you think? Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:NOCITE explains proper handling of unsourced material. Removing relevant and likely accurate info is not proper.

Moving the Template:Refimprove down to a specific section it applies to may improve the article's appearance. Featuring an article for ref improvements in relevant wikiProjects may attract editors. Bcharles (talk) 19:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Bcharles. J 947 21:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't agree. Either the information gets a source or it gets removed. We cannot have the unreferenced template forever be sitting on a page. However, I might be agreeable to a timeline. Say 2 years after a reference template is place the information is removed. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:24, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Removing content simply because it lacks a source is counter to WP policy. Even as sources are added, new material is added that may keep a refimprove tag seemingly perpetually. This is one reason it is better to tag a particular section instead of the whole article. If the content is not dubious, then the timeline is when someone gets to it. Having a rotating target-state-article to specifically do refimprove work on, might be the best way to get material addressed on a schedule. That would also help with reaching out to state wikiProjects for involvement. Bcharles (talk) 09:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea of a target article. And no reason it needs to be limited to just state articles either. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Warning - edit war on Green Party of New Jersey

A quick note - two users seem to be caught in an edit war on Green Party of New Jersey. I warned both and started a discussion at Talk:Green Party of New Jersey. Me-123567-Me (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

It was just a misunderstanding between two well-intentioned editors. A very nice outcome, and the promise of future factual updates. As I've said, I am not a fan of listing local candidates, but there are just a few examples, which is OK. I liked it that Denise wrote on the talk page to tell us when she had completed her updates. Jack N. Stock (talk) 07:08, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Target article of the month

January-February 2017: Green Party of Pennsylvania

Bcharles had the great idea that we should have a target article of the month! I selected Green Party of Pennsylvania randomly for the remainder of January (or do we want to do mid-month to mid-month?) Which article should we do for February? Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I think that the Green Party of Pennsylvania should be the article for February as well while we recruit new participants. There's not much point in having one for 3 or 4 days then getting a new one. Also, we should always change the months in UTC time. J 947 21:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Agree with J947, let's keep this focus for February. Also, to be clear, we are talking about improving the article, correct? Not deleting it or folding it into the list of state parties? --Editor B (talk) 21:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Me-123567-Me (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I suggest for procedure that mid-month, starting around 15 Feb, anyone who has a good article for target article can nominate here on this talk page and we can discuss them all under one subject heading. Me-123567-Me (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Me-123567-Me: Do you mean one subject heading for all the nominations or for each nomination? J 947 01:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

One subject heading per month. Me-123567-Me (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I've also thought of having a target article of the week, which may be nominations for TAM (target article of the month). Thoughts? J 947 02:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Categories and template

Is there a way we can differentiate when we add the {{Wikiproject GP}} banner to various talk pages so not all end up in the Wikiproject articles category if it's not an article? Like a category just for files, and another for templates? Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:12, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia ads?

Anyone want to create an ad on behalf of the Wikiproject for Wikipedia ads? See: Template:Wikipedia ads. Me-123567-Me (talk) 05:09, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Userbox

I've added a new category - Category:WikiProject Green Politics participants‎ so that folks who add the project userbox to their pages will be auto-added to the category. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

New layout

I've put in a new layout that is used by many Wikiprojects. It is a tab-based layout. The main page is pretty much the same, but a few key areas that should grow were moved off to sub-pages. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Target article of the month - March 2017

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Green Politics/Target. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:10, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Me-123567-Me: Converted into a template and took back here. It's amazing how easy it is to convert text into a template. J 947 00:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Not sure if I agree with that. There's a point to breaking things down into seperate pages. Me-123567-Me (talk) 02:57, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

List of US elected politicians

I started a List of Green politicians who have held office in the United States based on the GPUS website here. I need help getting stuff added. Not every item has a source, but most of them are fairly easy to find on Google. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:54, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Help! - Template:GPC

Another user keeps changing the template to a darker colour than the parties in Canada use. I could use some help, though I did leave a note on the user's talkpage and suggested they read our colour guidelines. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:32, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Same problem on Template:Australian Greens. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Arizona Green Party

In case anyone cares, it seems Arizona Green Party will be the subject of intense editing by students. I say good luck to them! Me-123567-Me (talk) 04:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm just going to watch at a distance until the semester is over. Jack N. Stock (talk) 05:48, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I am going to try and do the same. Certainly doesn't need to be a target article of the month! Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

As soon as those students finish, editors will tear up all their good work. I'm never going to touch that article, as I don't want to be a part of their disillusionment. Jack N. Stock (talk) 06:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, I will try as well. Me-123567-Me (talk) 06:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Green Party of Ireland

I've noticed that the article for the Irish Greens doesn't say much about their platform at all. Would anyone be interested in helping me make drastic changes to the article? Although I've been a Wikipedian for many years now, I don't have a whole lot of heavy editing experience, and I could use the help. Necropolis Hill (talk) 01:00, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

RfC

The RfC located here may be of interest to members of this project. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:30, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Capitalism

Given that many, if not most, Green parties world-wide are either anti-capitalist, or support extensive reform and regulation of capitalism, I'm going to create a "Green Politics" section on the article for anti-capitalism. The trend in recent years has been for many Green parties to take a shift to the left and believe that capitalism is unsustainable. This movement is largely, though not always, separate from the socialist movement. Greens are usually middle-class and do not have the foundational concept of class struggle on which socialist ideology is based. Necropolis Hill (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good! --Editor B (talk) 17:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

New target article?

Any nominations for the next target article? Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Can I ask for some contributions from Australian editors to a current discussion on the talk page of Lee Rhiannon Gumsaint (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. Great idea! Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion?

Don't forget to keep an eye out on the deletion alerts! Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Green New Deal

Thanks to the Democrats, this article is getting a lot of editing and attention. So just keep an eye out that everything added is both verifiable and not vandalism. Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

PEI MLA's

So with the election of 8 Greens in PEI, new articles were created. I ensured their talk pages were tagged with {{Wikiproject GP}}. We should keep an eye out for vandalism over the next few weeks. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

PEI

I started a new discussion over on the talk page of the Global Greens to ask how the PEI Greens should be included. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

JasonCarswell

This user made a number of batch edits to the various provincial green party articles related to the Green Party of Canada. Problem was mostly fixed and communication opened with JasonCarswell (talk · contribs). Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

RFC discussion

An RFC has been started at Talk:Jo-Ann_Roberts#RFC_about_notability_tag over whether the notability tag should remain. Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Leadership election articles

Known leadership elections that I know of going on: