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Good luck

Hi. I just wanted to wish you good luck with the new WikiProject. If you haven't already, you should create a category for your project (and categorize that category), along with listing your WikiProject under Wikipedia:List of WikiProjects.--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Where to start

These would be my starting points

(Gnevin 22:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC))

Sounds good to me. I'm willing to help but not sure how far I can. I'm in the UK and all the Gaelic sports I see are either short highlights programmes which are hard to find on Sky Sports or when I'm in Ireland. I'll try to help where I can though. - JVG 18:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Fancy taking a stab at these pages ?

(Gnevin 19:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC))

I know more about Mayo GAA than I do about London GAA... - JVG 10:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
List_of_Gaelic_football_clubs Here is a great place to start imo, tomorow i'll start adding categorys of each of these counties . Anyone fancy helping out ?

(Gnevin 02:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC))

Nominated list for speedy was mostly links to towns around Ireland (Gnevin 16:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC))
If you ask me the club tteam list should be doen on a county by county basis, in so that way we dont have a massive national list. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont like lists too many red links and i think i read some where that wiki is trying to move way from them , Imo the best way going forward is add Clubs to Categorys. (Gnevin 20:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC))

Dont belive everything you read here, While categories are good they only address article that have been created anot articles that have yet to be created, and as much as people say they dont like lists their are some ways you cant effectively display information other then having them in the list. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

I just like to welcome everyone to the project, first off this is also your project, so feel free to edit things on the project as you go along, as well as put up any ideas that you might have that might improve the project or what we are trying to do here. If you have any quaestions, dont hesitate to ask, doesnt mean you will get a responce or a timely one, but hopefuly some one will be around to get you an answer. So i dont know what else to say, other then welcome. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Just another thing. if you come acorss an editor that has an intrest in Gaelic Games, either threw their editing, or threw some other mention, ie on their user page or something, make sure to invint them to join the project, if they have not be invited to do so. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


Article structure

I put up a basic article structure for the county GAA pages. It is based on what has evolved up till now. You can find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic Games/GAA county, comments/thoughts? --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, Perhaps a famous players/managers section? (Gnevin 12:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC))
Yeah i guess that would be good for inclusion, we have to take heed that the sections dont grow to much, and if they do to parse them off into their own articles. We also have to look at how some fo the information that is currenlty on the pages that is not in the line with the format can be better intergrated into the articles. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I like that. I might not have time before I go to NYC but when I come back in a week anda bit, I will see about putting the Mayo GAA page into that format and any others if they haven't been done already. - JVG 18:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, if the section gets too long, there is always the option of subpages. - JVG 18:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Wel when you get a chance, no big hurry, most of the count pages need a once over to celan them up anyway, i'll put a not in the to do. As for the subpages, agree, i was trying to say that with the post above. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Just like to add that I did a bit of a job with the hurling section for the Waterford GAA page. I added the mot recent championship hurling team along with a few pages for various famous players plus the counties roll of honour for intra - county club hurling. Just a thought but it would be a nice idea to add a most recent team to most GAA Counties articles. I don't know though if the format I have is the best. User:Niall123
Yeah looks good so far, as for the team list i like it but their are some problems that i can see coming about. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone object to changing the first history to information or background something along does lines as history doesnt suit general info such as current managers , stadiums etc (Gnevin 15:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC))
I'd suggest that the existing articles I have worked on seem to flow better where Honours are listed in a separate section, just above any See other, References, Source, or External links. This kind of Honours section also lends itself to using bullets for readability. I can provide some examples of what this has looked like, if anyone is interested. Thanks -- Argon233 T @ C  U ∠  22:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah sure let us have a look (Gnevin 23:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC))
I previously did this with almost all of the Affiliated Clubs of the Kildare Gaelic Athletic Association. You can find the links to those articles in the template there. Thanks, -- 63.226.38.196 04:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC) Argon233 T @ C  U ∠  04:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
First off just a note to other editors, Argon233 prewviously edited under ip addresses and the artcles in question he edited from these accounts, information on such can be found on his userpage, and he should not be confused with Ecorry, who is also suspseced of editing the same artciles from ip accounts.
As to address the issue. I can see what you mean. Their though is a specific reason why the article structure is the way it is in the project. The current article structure is basically for the the articles concerning the county level boards/clubs, and it also has to do with the fact that the GAA is also organized on, for the most part, four coded sports. The way it is set up for the counties is to list the honours for each of the codes that the county has one. A similar way should also be kept for the clubs as well, instead of all in one section, as it is easier for persons to identify what honours are one for what sport and so for. Also the outline in the page set-up is a template, not all of their fields will be included, for some clubs do not field teams for all of the codes. The reason why they are all grouped together is that one user when he put them it, only added them under one section, the way that he added them was to be honest confusing. I know this is confusing, it is easier to see in practice then for me to describe it. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

To do

Shouldnt this be on the front page some where ? (Gnevin 13:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC))

Umm, yeah, good idea, i'll stick a copy of it there. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Rounders

I've updated the rounders page with a conciliatory note. Whether rounders is English or Irish is probably up for debate (what they call rounders is called baseball their earliest citable incidence and what we call rounders is almost identical to what is called baseball today). However, the earliest national association for "rounders" is recorded by the Irish (the GAA) in 1884. Also, the Scottish (i.e. Celtic association) formed and association in 1889 as did Liverpool (suspiciously close to the Welsh border?). An English association was not formed until 1943.

The GAA game is quiet different to the English game - although both are comparable in type of game. In the article I have separated each by calling them the GAA game and the NRA game. Obviously, it would be preferable to call one rounders per se and the other English rounders, but there are many in-roads to be made before this can be claimed for sure. Sony-youth 00:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Which one of these is correct

(Gnevin 13:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC))

Not sure if it is policy or not, but the apparent MOS fot infobox names it Infobox "foo", so i guess the way it looks for the proviences box is the perfered look. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok fixed

Club Templates

Can anyone throw their eye over {{infobox GAA club }} and tell me the purpose of these categorys
Adult Teams: {{{adult teams}}} Youth Teams: {{{youth teams}}} Team Manager: {{{manager}}} Ladies' Gaelic football: [[ ]] Camogie:

i can't make sence of them (Gnevin 15:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC))

Umm i cant tell you, Ecoory developed the template off of the look of the county template, mine as well just think about rework the clubs template? --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok changed it , take a look, looks better imo (Gnevin 17:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC))
Yeah that works for now. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm i am kinda thinking about removing the Championships section of the infobox, i have really 2 concers about it. First is the numer of the champoinships that could be included in it, espically for the stronger clubs, i could see it like putting all of say the Cork or Kerry honours in the inobox. Also is how they will be listed, can't really use abbrevations being that those not fimilar with the GAA system woulf not know what they stood for, and if we used the full discriptions it would overly expand the infobox. Thoughts? --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at Kilmacud Crokes for an example of champsionships .(Gnevin 22:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC))

Template Idea

Have a look User:Gnevin/mysandbox page. Should we go with this for the club template? it works well {Gnevin 16:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)) edit changed link (Gnevin 17:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC))

I like the idea, but i have some issues with it, ment to bring this up when you made the initial changes on the current tepmlate.
  • I like the idea of the irish at the top under the english, but i see a problem. With them being both the same font size it can be a bit distracting in that at times it could look like all one phrase. Also being that this is the en the emphasis should be put on the en, to either i would size down the irish.
  • Though i frequenly hard code image size into the template, i dont know this would be a good case to do so. Being that i think claub crest are not, at least quailty images, going to be say to come by, the size of the images will vairy. Hard coding will leadt to the blurry image that you are diaplaying currently in the article. I would eaither take out the image coding from the templat eand make it case by case, or set the coding to 100px or so.
  • Though i was not sold on the club championships at first i am now. I like the idea of senior only, and the split into the by series and sport. My probley is with the way it is delivered, it make the box to wide, and it seems to be off-centered. I have an idea though.
These are just my thoughts, i might shank you code and see what i can do. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
So far what i have come up with is here. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
*I like your improvement , I would hard code the crest at 100px , just so we have a consitant size across all the clubs
  • Also i'd put the senior championships above the kit

(Gnevin 12:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC))

Well i took a look at it reversed, and i just didnt like the way it looked. I have both example on the test page. Anyway, before we decide on the version, i like to do some clean up on the code, so that wahy some optionals will display correcly if not listed. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Having looked at it the 1st version looks best (Gnevin 11:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC))
Ok well i have finished it up for now, and am going to put it live. I'll make the nesscary changes to the pages that are currently using it, as well as but a discriptor on how to use it. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 06:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Must say that looks well , the hidden structure works great , good idea their (Gnevin 14:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC))
Minor problem why does the : after camogie display on a new line?

(Gnevin 15:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)) Umm i dont know, i noticed it myslef, might have to do with page rendering when their is extra text, more then likely a width issue, i'll take a look. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 02:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

It fixed, it should work now. As for hidden structurs, while it great it does have it's drawbacks and detractors. Though i like to see how thy could come up with a solution for the championships table. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ecorry

I would like bring this Ecorry (talk • contribs) to the attention of project memebers.After taking a short brake he has returned . Many of his articals consist of text dumps and often make little sence. I have been told all that we can do is monitor is edits.(Gnevin 17:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC))

Well i gave the user an invite to join us at the project, but he seems inresponsive to that invite as well as other attempts to communicate with him. I dont know what to tell you, i would ask an admin or post something on WP:AN and let them sort it out. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok this has got to stop , Ecorry posting under User:12.108.248.109 has rv all the changes i made to link the kildare clubs to the correct info box instead linking to his own personal hobby horse Template:Kildare GAA Clubs2 Infobox, he has also readded a wrong crest to these clubs. Surely one man cant dicated what he wants (Gnevin 18:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC))
Well i cleaned up all the pages in the category, redirected the templates, and tagged all the articles with clean ups, and project tags. I don't mind him adding to articles, but you cant understand 2/3 rd of what is their, and to people that have no knowledge on the subject, their going to walk away with just as much as they came with. Along with his apparent lack of communication with anyone,, unless you could this. Like i said if he keeps it up you might want to take it to WP:AN, or WP:AN/I, not that i would expect much their either. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Also his {{Kildare clubs}} is just about as good as his articles, going to have to give that a major re-do. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I dont really see the need for {{Kildare clubs}} surely the best thing to do is just add the category to each page and let people find the other clubs that way . Imagen the size of it if we did a list for every county dublin would have over 100 kerry over 50 its would be mad (Gnevin 14:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC))
I suppose so. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow. I’ve just come across this. What an amount of energy has been put into invective that could be put into something more positive. My articles “make little sence”. I could make offensive comments about your contribution guys but that’s not good for any of us. I’ve no idea who any of you are or where this hatred comes from. If the object of this exercise is to bully people off your patch – please reconsider. You are not going to do this on your own. My own initiative was to try to get the empty GAA sites filled with informative material (yes, lists as well) and leave it to the locals after that. It would be nice to think someone else amongst you shared that objective. I even asked PROs to upload crests, honours lists, manager names and current strength of clubs in adult and youth teams. In view of your reaction here, that was probably a mistake. For the benefit of Gnevin, the criteria were changed for weaker counties and clubs. Waterford beating Kerry in football and Kerry beating Waterford in hurling are worthy of mention, not the other way round. You are welcome to take down the information I have provided if it offends you so much but surely a project such as this needs to move forward rather than become a chatroom for axe-grinding, ranching up the sort of defamatory remarks about new contributors you have made about me here. - Ecorry
I have no personal problem with you , my only problem is that while we are trying to agree formats for infoboxes ,clubs and counties you where doing your own thing (3 different infoboxs for kildare for example) just today you edited {{Infobox GAA club}} to add fields no one understands (see infoboxes in this talk) You also ignored my several attempts to contact you . Now your edits are more than welcome and you've done great work with kildare gaa . As i said before i would love to work with you , instead of against.(Gnevin 18:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC))
Since I wrote the above I have received another abusive message from Gnevin, this time posted to me personally, accusing me of having a “negative effect on the artacals (sic).” It is no doubt obvious to everyone, including gnevin, that the opposite is the case, Gnevin’s name cropped up vandalising the Kildare GAA club sites as soon as I set up the templates in early March. The ambition was to have all 55 up and running by Easter. That became unlikely not because of gnevin’s vandalism, annoying as it was, but the slow response of the clubs. For example just one club crest was uploaded. This meant that, having initiated the project, I have to do the bulk of the work myself at the same time contending with gnevin’s vandalism– something I was happy to do until I saw your discussion group. So it will cheer you all up no end when I take the sites down.
There is a really important point about your attitude to contributions from others which must be made, at the risk of becoming the recipient of more hatemail from gnevin. It would help if some of the group of self-appointed enforcers understood more about the GAA and how it works. There is much to suggest they don’t, most glaringly the repeated misspelling of ‘cumann’ in the introduction to every county site and the erroneous suggestion, repeated on every county site, that the county board is responsible for camogie and ladies football teams, It should be obvious that your proposed honours list format won’t work, or will work only for the ten most successful counties, after that it will be a lot of nones. You need to understand the nature of county identity. An O’Byrne Cup win is significant in Longford, in the same way that Exeter City’s honours list will feature different competitions than Manchester United’s. If you understood Wikipedia you would know it is an evolutionary process. A tipping point is reached after the heavy lifting has been done, honours lists, introduction etc, where people contribute under their own areas of expertise. We may be close to that with the Kildare GAA site. It is in your interests to reach that as soon as possible, not to try to prevent sites reaching it. Being aggressively territorial about these matters won’t help the credibility of the finished product, a pity because wikipedia is growing and so important to the diaspora. Presumably the bullying I was subjected to in the passages above was designed to deter other contributors from making these and similar points. For the sake of the project, I hope it didn’t succeed. There are plenty of sources of reliable information about the GAA. Why are people posting insults rather than using these? - Ecorry
Sorry gnevin, you insult me, call me names, say my articles make little sence (sic) and insinuate my work is tipped refuse, then tell me you want to work WITH me? Vandalising sites in progress was expected, a hazard of Wikipedia, the level of personal invective directed against me was not. Are you surprised that I find your aggression and the unwarranted personal abuse you have heaped upon me militates against this? - Ecorry
"Since I wrote the above I have received another abusive message from Gnevin, this time posted to me personally, accusing me of having a “negative effect on the artacals (sic)"
  • Firstly i assume your refering too your talk does comments where written weeks ago, 21/3 been the last note the date on them and Special:Contributions/Gnevin You will see i havent posted too your talk in weeks.
  • Second , if you consider my messages "hatemail " well your easily offened ,
  • Next "Gnevin’s name cropped up vandalising the Kildare GAA club sites as soon as I set up the templates in early March."
as i pointed out to you on both the club page and your talk its was not vandalising it was simply using the correct infobox/template. Which you will be able to see in the todo above was one of the tasks for this project.
  • " The ambition was to have all 55 up and running by Easter"
a very good objective which i and others would consider great work
  • "So it will cheer you all up no end when I take the sites down."
infact quite the reverse , It would be a shame to delete all the work you put in and not be able to say every club in kildare is on wiki.
  • "There is much to suggest they don’t, most glaringly the repeated misspelling of ‘cumann’ in the introduction to every county site and the erroneous suggestion, repeated on every county site, that the county board is responsible for camogie and ladies football teams,"
As has been noted in the talk here and we are currently in mid discussion as how to procede.
  • "It should be obvious that your proposed honours list format won’t work, or will work only for the ten most successful counties, after that it will be a lot of nones. You need to understand the nature of county identity. An O’Byrne Cup win is significant in Longford, in the same way that Exeter City’s honours list will feature different competitions than Manchester United’s"
Also a very good point which should be in the discussion abou this issue, while it's obvious too you i had never thought about( prehaps being a dub, i only consider a sam success) that till you pointed it out , i am tending to agree with you
  • "Being aggressively territorial about these matters won’t help the credibility of the finished product"
I have not been aggressive or territorial as i and others have said your lack of responivness to comments meant that you where pulling in a different direction than the rest of us.

All that being said, I am once again going to say i am more than willing to work with you and willing to offer a blank slate and say we got off on the wrong foot . Your input and that of anyone who wants to contib is more than welcome. (Gnevin 21:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC))
Ps you can sign your comments by using four tildes (~~~~)

Let’s bring the soap opera to an end. I have taken down the Kildare club sites I created, honours lists and 20,000 words of content and my contributions to county sites. May I remind you copyright has reverted from Wikipedia on all of this material, in case of mischief. I already see mischief afoot. Some of the material which, according to this forum, “made no sence” a few days ago has been remounted. Take it down again. Get to work and try not to react as badly the next time a new contributor joins. If things improve for other contributors I feel I will have achieved something. – Eoghan Corry.

Honours

I am going to go threw and start to clean up the honour lsit for each of the county articles. Ecorry has dumped alot of them into a central section, problem is you cant really figure out what wimmer is what, and which would go under what sport heading, so i'll do it the best that i can figure out. I'll remove the txt dumps from the artilces and repost them on the talk pages for each article that i do, so if some one wants to dry to do it further the information is sill here. Also i dont know what everyones thoughts are, but he has a tendancy to list, what i would consider, minor titles, by todays statdards, on the list, question is should we inculde them, also he list if they were simi/quater/finalist for the all Irelands and the leagues, i really dont see the revalance of listing anything further back then the if they were finalists, and thats only for the All-Ireland. Thoughts? --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree , List the big 2 All ireland and league , no one cares about the others . Also i'd agree on listing if they won or where beaten finalist or some Counties like Kerry ,Dublin,Cork ,Kilkenny what would make the list huge . Also i'd consider Senior , u21 and Minor as the only important levels

(Gnevin 20:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC))

Well if their listed already i dont see a need to remove them, and if they are added by some one elas, i am not going to start removing them, "but as a rule" i think that we should sitck to the format of:
  • All Ireland Senior
  • All Ireland Intermediate
  • All Ireland Junior
  • All Ireland U-21
  • All Ireland Minor
  • League
  • Provience Senior
  • Provience Intermediate
  • Provience Junior
  • Provience u-21
  • Provience Minor
  • others
The cubs are listed by decending order by level, i think i have them right. I figure if were are going to list the u-21 and Minor mine as well list the Junior and Inter, i dont really see a reason to list the Underage at the moment. I also think the provencial titiles nned to saty as well, as though they are not as important as the all-ireland in the case of the GAA as a whole but they are, for the most part, considered to be major titles for the boards. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

GAA boards

I just noticed a problem that i had not noticed before, dont know why. Their is a problem with how we have the county GAA boards described. The County GAA borads, oversee Hurling and Football, but Camogie and Ladies' Football are controled by seperate couldty boards from the GAA county boards. Currenlty we have it all listed uder one page, and for the most part one board (though their are some execptions). I dont know if we should think about spinning of the Camogie and Ladies' Football listings to seperate articles for the respective couties, or just keep as is, mention that they are seperate boards for the control of the respective codes, and let it go at that. Thoughts? --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Well the major problem with spinning them of is their are nearly all going to be stub's , how about something along the lines of

The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Dublin while camogie and ladies football teams are controled by Dublin [[Ladies' Gaelic football.

(Gnevin 15:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC))

The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cummnn Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Football and Hurling in County Dublin. While the Dublin Camogie County Board is responible for Camogie and Dublin Ladies County Board is responsible Ladies' Gaelic football in County Dublin .

How about this, Also shouldnt this be some sort of template to make future updates easier?(Gnevin 23:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

Humm let me think about it, i have been mulling over the wording. As for template, i see where you going with it and the idea behid it, though i am not sure it would be nessicarly a good idea. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I feel that what the expansion of GAA on wiki we really should have county boards and provincal councils in a category my suggestion would be category:Gaelic Sport Governing Bodies this allows for eventual addition of camogie , ladies ,rounders while alsocovering county and provincal and misc such as central council .(Gnevin 19:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC))
Yeah that would work, we need better categories/categorising overall anyway. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Created category, is anyone still around project seems to be going no where (Gnevin 18:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC))

Club naming policy

I think we should have a naming policy for gaa clubs . Currently most articials are just called name gaa eg Ellistown GAA others are just the name eg Na Fianna. my suggestions would be

(Gnevin 17:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC))

Umm actucally i thigk the naming ought to go on a case by case basis depending on the usage by the club. I have seen them so far laisted as:

The cases by case would be the best macth, smilar to the naming of Footbal clubs. The oonly change i would put in id that if they refer to themselves as GAA that we use GAA club instead, though i am still not entirely sold on this idea. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Was thinking, should we go dots or non dots? ie G.F.C. or GFC --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
No dots the dot make it look untidy and will make linking to the pages a bit of a pain (Gnevin 11:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC))
I see your point. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Contributions, Welcome or Unwelcome?

Contributions, Welcome or Unwelcome? Unfortunately a small gang of members is using this forum to bully contributors off their patch. This is unfortunate for the project as a whole, as some of the material on your GAA pages is extremely substandard. You need to welcome contributors rather than resent them, allocate areas of specialisation, to recruit new people to project and keep this growing until the quality and quantity of information does justice to Wikipedia. The GAA project is a mess. Some of the 44 county boards don’t have pages yet, many of the others are empty, even high-profile ones. The introduction to each of the Irish county pages has two glaring errors in it. This is not an environment for people to become aggressively territorial, post insults or attempt to bully new contributors off the project. The combination of small minds and petty jealousies (not unprecedented in GAA circles) is contaminating the nature of the project and preventing corrections being made, standards being raised. It is in your interest to sort it out, as in the current condition I would not recommend anybody knowledgeable about GAA affairs to get involved. I would strongly recommend them to avoid your project until there is a change in attitude. – Eoghan Corry (Moved to correct place (Gnevin 11:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)))

GAA Overseas

I recon we should rename these or delete these.

British GAA
European GAA'
 North American
Asian GAA'
 'Others

(Gnevin 16:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC))

Would go with Europe GAA and North American GAA, as that is the name of the boards for ths respective areas. Should stick with the board names for regional articles, being that is that case is it British GAA for Britan, i could nto find anything definitave. Also spin of Warwickshire GAA, i am guseeing that is a seperat board from London, and the rest of Britan. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 09:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[1] Would seem to show Britian as a provincal board. With 7 counties . Need to mention them in British GAA (Gnevin 23:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC))
Umm dont know why that i could not find that website, i huess then we need to outfit the article accordingly, guess it's time to develope a standard format for provinical boards. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
The county board structure in North America is: North American Board (covering the USA outside New York City), the New York Board (covering New York City) and the Canadian Board. All three are county boards. --Eamonnca1 18:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Planned changes too Gaelic Athletic Association

See Talk:Gaelic_Athletic_Association for my planned changes. (Gnevin 18:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC))

Template:Kildare Clubs

{{Kildare clubs}}

What are other users feelings of this ? While i think is looks well( the yellow could be changed) do we really want 32 + of this sort of template (Gnevin 00:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC))

I am still not entirley sold on the idea. But i would not push for a deletion. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

GAA Grounds

Just wondering but I think this needs a look into too. At the moment most GAA grounds don't even have a picture in their article. Just look at the Semple Stadium article. No picture eventhough its the 2nd most important stadium in the GAA.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niall123 (talk • contribs) .

The trouble is with most stadiums is the difficulty in finding non copyrighted image's of these ground Parnell Park and Croke Park are both good examples of how the semple stadium articial should look (Gnevin 20:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC))

It not so mush copyright, though non copyright images would be perferedyou could use the fair use provision for most of the stadia image, it is also a matter of finding good quailty images. I personally rather ohave no image then a crap image just for the sake of having an image. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hurling

The Hurling articial is very bad , i have removed some pov but it seems to be full of it. If anyone has some free time maybe they could look over it (Gnevin 23:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC))

Linking Policy

I have noticed that many articials link to gaa clubs i have been removing these links . Do other members agree see Europe GAA and Hurling as examples where their are club that i think should be removed (Gnevin 23:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC))

Move Railway Cup to Interprovincial Championship ?

I would suggest moving Railway Cup to Interprovincial Championship . Would anyone agree (Gnevin 14:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC))

Photos

Does anyone know how to go about getting photos of GAA players on their bio pages? Frainc 23:10 01 June 2006

What do you mean? (Gnevin 18:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

Is it possible to take a photo from any website, and add it to wiki as long as it is sourced? Frainc 23:22 19 June

I'm not 100% sure i think you could called it fair use and get away with it (Gnevin 22:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

Hurling 2006

Can anyone with interest in Hurling set up ring cup and rackard cup with scores for 2006 (Gnevin 18:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

Task List

Can someone help me out here? I can't seem to edit the to-do list. --Eamonnca1 18:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Rampant vandalism on Mark Vaughan -- help!

I noticed while doing some RC patrolling last night that the article Mark Vaughan has been mercilessly vandalized by a number of people, to the point where I don't think the vandalism cleaners even know what's true and what's not. Some of us have been reverting each other to varying versions, and there's a lot of confusion. I've tagged the article for cleanup via the ExpertVerify tag, but since it's part of your Wikiproject, I thought I'd let you know in the hopes that one of you could head over there and fix the inaccuracies. Thanks! --FreelanceWizard 21:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Tailteann Games

I've created a stub for the Tailteann Games but I'm not entirely sure how to bring it into this project. I think it should be brought in given the importance of this event in inspiring Michael Cusack and the early GAA founders. --Eamonnca1 22:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest makeing it a heading the history of the gaa articial(Gnevin 11:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

Reboot

Please leave comments hear on how too move this project forward (Gnevin 11:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

Intro's Again

The Warwickshire County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (or Warwickshire GAA) is one of the county boards of the GAA in Britain, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in Warwickshire. The county board is also responsible for the Warwickshire inter-county football, hurling, camogie and ladies football teams. The Warwickshire branch of the Gaelic Athletic Association was founded on date


The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Dublin. The county board is also responsible for the Dublin inter-county football, hurling, camogie and ladies football teams.

Here are a sample of 2 one at home one oversea's . Now my problem is that

Surely these 2 things are one and the same ?

We should either go with and is responsible for Gaelic Games or The county board is responsible for the Dublin inter-county football, hurling, camogie and ladies football teams.

This also doesnt cover the ladies and camogie boards . Any thoughts ? (Gnevin 11:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

Article currently nominated for deletion

Don't know what your policy is for articles on individual GAA players, but the article for Michael Jacob, a Wexford hurler, is currently nominated for deletion- if it goes it could set a bad precedent for future player articles. Robotforaday 04:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Images

It appears that are very few if any pictures of GAA players on Wiki, how may we obtain pictures, it would really brighten up all the pages. Is it possible to add images from other sites as long as they are properly sourced to their original page? Frainc 18:15 08 June 2006.


DOB

Is there any way that Bate of Births can be gotten for the players. I think that it is a huge disadvantage not having the DOB's. They would bring the articles on. There must be some kind of source for them.--Play Brian Moore 20:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if there is information on any of the GAA sticker albums that have been released over the years? Frainc 22:14 18 June 2006

I think we'll have to start looking at match programmes. Some very illustrious players (eg I got a lot of info for Frank McGuigan) may have biogs on their club pages.--Macca7174 23:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Team of the Millenium

I noticed that their is box with the team of the Millenium at the bottom of the page of each player from the team. Any chance of 

box at end end of each of the pages? Frainc 20:44 2 July 2006

Infoboxes

we need a new infobox for managers , i can add too the current {{infobox GAA player}} see shane ryan for a good example of it in use . The only trouble with adding to the current info box is that its already quite long add other couple of field could be troublesome any ideas (Gnevin 18:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC))

Ok i've done up User:Gnevin/sandbox3 which is the manager box on it own which looks fine but their is a major problem trying to added to the player box for players who went one to become manager see here User:Gnevin/sandbox5 its far far far to long the only idea i have is to strip out all the achievements for playing and management career. Need Help ! any ideas anyone (Gnevin 21:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC))
I don't think we need all that info in the infobox, we could make another template for achievments and stuff that would maybe take the width of the page, and go at the bottom. Pauric 22:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I love the look of the manager infobox, its true that it will look big but only on the pages with very little text, I cant see how it could be another way? It'll take a while to gather all the info, but the sooner its up and running on the pages, the easier it will be to collate the info of new managers! The older ones will take more time to gather the relevant information. (Frainc 22:21 30 October 2006 (UTC)).
The manager box on its own is fine for the like of Paul Caffrey , but how do we deal with people like Kevin Heffernan who has been a player and a manager (Gnevin 22:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC))
This is probably a bad idea, but il say it anyway! For example, in the case of Kevin Heffernan, how about having the manager box on the right hand side of the page, as it is the most recent. Then, adding the player bit on the left hand side further down the page. In the future, by the time, a player becomes a manger there should be loads of text there, so it shouldn't look over crowded? I think that it could be better than one very long infobox?(Frainc 22:53 30 October 2006 (UTC))
In line with User:Frainc's suggestion. A simple solution what do you's think User:Gnevin/sandbox6(Gnevin 23:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC))
[ser:Gnevin/sandbox6 still looks crowded, try not having the manager box directly under the player box and putting it in a separate section of the page with the relevant article on its side, and is it possible to put it on the other side of the page? (Frainc 23:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC))
I haven't seen a infobox on the left before can you link me to one , their is a table based trick to force the infobox left but it looks crap (Gnevin 23:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC))
To be honest I never saw it either, it seems that itd be best to have the player and manager infobox together as you did before User:Gnevin/sandbox5, it seems the best and tidiest option? The length of the box is grand, but the main issue is its width! (Frainc 23:59 30 October 2006 (UTC))
five is a non runner for me i mean just look at the code [2] for it ,something along the lines of User:Gnevin/sandbox6 is still the best way imo (Gnevin 19:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC))
ok, itl work the best, itl mean that we can keep the player infobox where they are, when the player becomes a manager, itl be easier just to add the separate box, (Frainc 20:57 31 October 2006 (UTC))

DOBs, etc

Hi, I've been making articles for Derry players recently and I can't seem to find any source of obtaining date of births. Is there anywhere online that has a l,ist of date of births and other details for GAA players at all?

We've had major problems in the past finding this sort of info, the closest you'll often get in the national press is x player is 24 or what ever with out ever giving a date of birth (Gnevin 12:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC))

What about scoring and appearnces? There must be somewhere on the net that has these fgures?Commentators always seem to have these statistics, do they just do their own research or is there anywhere they get them from specifically?

I have a friend in the press i'll ask him (Gnevin 13:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC))
OK, thanks. (Derry Boi 21:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC))
[3] so its not on the net back to square one (Gnevin 18:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
Which thread is the one you're trying to link me to? (Derry Boi 19:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
[4] sorry about the bad link (Gnevin 13:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC))
You think there's any way we could get some of those media packs? Pauric 22:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll ask my friend again , might it be worth emailing the like of the local and national newspapers(Gnevin 00:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC))

Names of County and place of birth on infobox

When we refer to players from Derry should we write Londonderry or Derry, my personal view is Derry. See case of Paddy Bradley. When has Derry ever been referred to as Londonderry by any person writing on GAA affairs? I feel we must make a permanent decision on this. Secondly, when referring to place of birth, should we write Northern Ireland or Ireland or Republic of Ireland depending on each case, see Peter Canavan. If we are referring to Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are we suggesting that the All-Ireland is an international tournament, if we acknowledge separate countries, this is what is being expressed. What should we write so there wont be an absurd swapping and childish swapping of names and titles. I think we should make a decision on this. Frainc 22:05 16 September 2006.

I really think Derry and Ireland should be used. At the end of the day its common sense. (Derry Boi 21:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC))
Um if you are using county and country of birth then the proper geographical terms should be used as per WP:IMOS, hence County Londonderry and Northern Ireland. It has nothing to do with the GAA that information. Ben W Bell talk 21:33, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
If we are using the proper geographicals term then ireland is correct when pointing to the island of , how ever if we are talking about WP:IMOS and its 4/5 person compermise then londonderry is correct (Gnevin 02:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC))

GFC/GAC

I did an article last night for Lavey GAC, on the strip I did the football strip, although their hurling team (and probably camogie team) has a different kit, any way of putting both the football and hurling strip in the infobox? Pauric 17:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Was actually going to ask something similar myself, ie some teams have home and away kits, I was wondering if there was some way of facilitating both? (Derry Boi 17:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

I noticed the Manchester United article has a home and away strip on their infobox, although we might need to edit the GAA template for that. Pauric 18:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm interesting might be able to do something with that leave it with me (Gnevin 19:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
Ok so this is going to be a problem i can't hide the other kit with if statement and also the name must be predefined such as away kit etc which means is useless for camogie (Gnevin 19:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
Ok got an if working check it out {{infobox GAA club}}
Great job. (Derry Boi 20:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Regarding the ability to have two strips, would you be able to make it so you can name each strip, ie say you wanted senior/minor, or football/hurling, you could say kit1=football kit2=hurling? I'd do it myself, but I'm afraid I found the code somewhat confusing. Pauric 17:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I tired to do that put the name must be define , the football kit template requires it (Gnevin 17:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC))
Ok figured it out and updated now (Gnevin 18:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC))

Bloody hell, that was quick. :P Pauric 18:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Club badges, etc.

I read all the stuff about uploading images on Commons, etc, but am still a bit confused.

Am I right in thinking that I can't upload an image from say http://ballinderrygac.com/history.htm  ?

If so, how am I to go about getting such an image if I don't know who holds the copyright? (There isn't ojne I think).

How did people upload images for clubs such as Na Fianna CLG for example? (Derry Boi 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

You can either contact the site owner, and find out the copyright on it, and ask them to use the image if they own it. As for logos, it's fair use to include them, so upload away. Pauric 18:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
OK so, do I upload to Wikimedia Commons, or just Wikipedia? (Derry Boi 18:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
I guess wikipedia. Pauric 18:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Just wikipedia no real need to have on commons, just remember to tag it as {{logo}} (Gnevin 18:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
When uploading I selected "Logo" from te drop-down menu, is that the same thing? (Derry Boi 19:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
Should be just link me to we you uploaded i can check its ok (Gnevin 19:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ballinderry.PNG (Derry Boi 19:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC))
You got the licenceing grand. Pauric 19:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

Welcome to the project Pauric hope you enjoy your stay , would say don't be afraid to get stuck right in but you've already done that  :) anyway just though i'd say welcome (Gnevin 20:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Ps make sure too add the project to your watchlist watch (Gnevin 20:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Thanks very much Gnevin. I think I'll start off doing up clubs in South Derry first, as I'd be familiar with them, I'll have a look at those more pressing matters you have mentioned on the front page too. Pauric 22:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

County Championships

I'm slowly trying to get all the county championship pages up, see: [5] for a complete list of the ones made so far. If anyone knows of any places that are good for full lists of county champions, except HOGANSTAND, please post them here or if anyone wants to start one for a particular county, please do? Any ideas for the pages? and lastly, any infobox people have any ideas? Thanks. Frainc 21:52 September 2006.

Looks good my only suggestion would not to make the years links , i dont see the point (Gnevin 21:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Ok, will do, liked the blue, Frainc 22:07 September 2006.


Was just thinking, it may be good, to make one of those template things so people can get quick access to whichever county championship they want to view next, a bit like the gaelic games template? Frainc 02:33 September 2006.

What would the template contain , links to every county championship , or links to championship in one county ie Dublin Football ,Dublin Hurling, Dublin Camogie, Dublin Ladies ? (Gnevin 17:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

Listing players

I just started the Swatragh GAC article, I listed all the players in their current senior teams and added links to them. What's the general feeling on this sort of thing? I don't know the team well enough to say which players are noteable and which aren't, so should we just remove the player section from this article all together now? Pauric 23:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Generally we just link to their Famous Player this tends to be their current and former intercounty stars see CLG Na Fianna and Kilmacud Crokes as good examples (Gnevin 23:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Table for player's scroing records.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a table on articles such as Paddy Bradley to categorise their scoring records (where available) per year.

Possible columns being:

- Year

- Games played

- Goals-Points (Total) eg 2-17 (23)

- Average

- Rank in Province

- Rank in Ireland

And if possible columns where no information is available could be hid.

I'm no good at making these kind of things, so if someone has the time maybe they might wnat to make one.

(Derry Boi 16:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

I think its a good idea and should be done, although its tough finding the information for most players, id recommend a goalscorers chart thingie that could be a option just to show one years record, so at least all the 2006 and 2005 will definitely be available for all players. Anyway, I wouldnt know how to do it, but like the idea. Frainc 18:10 21 September 2006

Can you link me to a example in other code eg soccer i'm not sure what you want to do (Gnevin 17:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

Club names

I know this is a bit of a backtrack on previous discussion but i'd suggest naming every club artical X gaa anyone agree (Gnevin 17:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

* Swatragh GAC becomes Swatragh GAA with an opening line of Swatragh GAA officially Swatragh Gaelic Athletic Club (Swatragh GAC)
  • CLG Na Fianna becomes Na Fianna GAA with on opening line of Na Fianna GAA Club (Irish:Cumann Lúthchleas Gael Na Fianna )

Hmm I don't know, personnally I think if we were going to rename they X GAC would be better, but I can see where you're coming from. Or else deal with each club indivdually. What does anyone else think? (Derry Boi 08:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

Most people aren't going to know if the club is a GAC/GFC when they search i know i just search for X GAA (Gnevin 12:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

I think we should have it *Townland* GAC, then probably make *Townland* GAA and GFC redirect to them. Pauric 17:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Right I think we do need to do something about this. Personally I think we should do it on a case-by-case basis. The article should be called whatever the club calls it. But we should also redirect to the article, for example we should keep Lavey GAC, and we should rediect "Lavey GAA", "Lavey CLG" and "Erins Own Lavey" to it. Do we just make new pages for each of these and just put a redirection as the only line of the article? (Derry Boi 16:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

I agree , yeah you just make the page and put the redirect on it (Gnevin 19:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC))

Images

[6] seems to be a good place to find some GAA images just search by creative commons found great pictures today

Provincal kits

Does anyone have any pics of the provical kits that are wore during the Interprovincial Championship . If you know what they look like i think i would be good to add to Leinster GAA etc (Gnevin 22:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

Here s some images, but theirnot very clear and I don't know what the copyright status of them would be either. (Derry Boi 08:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

Ok have added them to the best of what i could see , if you know better please update them, I have requested from some part over at Template_talk:Football_kit#Dark_Green_arms (Gnevin 12:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

Category Suggestions

I'd like to suggest we create a few new Categorys based on the All- stars as such we'd have

With a category for each all star year (Gnevin 12:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

Good idea. (Derry Boi 13:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

Well i've made a start so many to update will take ages (Gnevin 13:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC))
Up to 96 in football , and 03 in hurling (Gnevin 16:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC))
I have changed some of the GAA County Boards from the Catagory 'Gaelic Sports Bodies' to 'Gaelic Games Bodies'. However it is necessary to change another 20 of so. --Gael-wh 14:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok done (Gnevin 18:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC))

Dual Player infobox

User:Gnevin/sandbox5 Have a look , feel free to play around with it , any comments and suggestions most helpful . My main concern at the moment is that it looks too full (Gnevin 15:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

What about a colour system, rather than whole titles saying "hurling", "football", and (f), (h)? There's probably an easy way to cut down on redundancies if you don't like the colour idea. I think that's the biggest problem I can see with the infobox. Pauric 17:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The trouble with colours is that new user won't be familar with them or how to code it (Gnevin 19:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC))
Unless you stick in some comments in the code, telling them how. Something simple like light green for hurling and light blue for football would work well if there was an easy means of doing it, would it not? Pauric 20:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I've never seen any text colour but black here on wiki can you link to to some where with colour so i can steal the code (Gnevin 21:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC))
I don't really mean text, if you could find some way to work in background colours like WP:COLOR. Pauric 21:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Thats a non runner as background must be hard coded in to the infobox (Gnevin 21:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC))
If no one has a problem with the current version i'm going to start adding it to a few players (Gnevin 18:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC))

Railway Cup

I've had to tag Railway Cup as disputed ,have a look at it's talk page to see why (Gnevin 18:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC))

New template

Have a look at Dublin_GAA#Dublin_Gaelic_Football_Squad too see the new gaa squad template (ok so i stole the majority of it from the soccer template) (Gnevin 23:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC))

Picture of Sam

Does anyone have a decent close up picture of sam, i added 2 pics to Sam Maguire Cup but the one of the cup on its one is very far away (Gnevin 00:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC))

Good Pic here, can we use it? (Frainc 16:00 5 November 2006 (UTC))

[7]

County Championship

How about adding update all the county championship pages with up to date information, roll of honour and top winners section to the to do list? 01:28 Frainc 26 October 2006

Done (Gnevin 20:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC))
Thanks for that, itl be great when they are all updated. 19:25 Frainc 01 November 2006

GPA Awards

Is there an article on the Opel GPA Players of the year awards?

01:28 Frainc 26 October 2006

There is Texaco Footballer of the Year and Vodafone Footballer of the Year, and I'm not sure how/why they differ. I'm not aware of the GPA players awards.

The Vodafone Footballer of the Year is part of the all stars awards and as so i would suggest moving it to All Star Footballer of the Year
The texaco award is a award part of a whole package of award for irish sports suchs as rugby player of the year etc.
As for the GPA award their isnt an articial you can create if you wish (Gnevin 20:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC))

Goals and Points

I was thinking of putting a page together with all the scorers of points and goals for Dublin since about 2001, so we could have a database to check scores to add to the scores section on the Dublin players, this should prove especially useful for the newer Dublin players? Frainc 15:07 October 26, 2006

I dont know about this would it pass a WP:NN or WP:NOT test? ,seems to be it wouldnt (Gnevin 21:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC))

Is there a GAA article that is particularly strong? We could all work extensively on it (preferably something we know about, eg All-Ireland Senior Football Championship) and then hopefully, within a month or two it would be eligibel to be reviewed for featured status? even if we get that far it will have encouraged people to read about GAA articles, which is what we are all doing this for, right? This may be my N00b niavete speaking though (ie, that we could get featured within a few months)--Macca7174 23:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest i don't think any article would get near WP:FA even in two months i'd suggest driving more towards getting some of the above to do list done esp the stub sorting . (Gnevin 20:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC))
I agree. If we were to make a concerted effort to get something towards featured status then it'd probably be the main GAA article, but there's probably a year's worth of work right there. Let's just keep plugging away. --Eamonnca1 19:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Club championships

The following is copyed from Talk:Leitrim Senior Club Football Championship

The word "Club" in the name of this article is superfluous. Also, as far as I know, this was taken care of over at the Tipperary hurling championship page. DellusMaximus 06:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Basicly DellusMaximus i saying it sohuld be Leitrim Senior Football Championship, Dublin Senior Football Championship etc . I would agree ,what does everyone else think (Gnevin 18:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC))

Why not, its shorter and better, go for it! Frainc 22:43 Wedesday, 1st November.

Can you please list as you move the pages so i can run AWB to fix the links.(Gnevin 15:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC))

Logos

So, I was having a look at the Derry GAA logo, and the logo was of pretty poor quality.
60px
So, using Inkscape and GIMP, I whipped up a new one, although I realise it's not perfect.
File:Doire2.png
Could I get a bit of feedback on it? If anyone else thinks so, we could do new SVG logos for all the different counties (and maybe some clubs) (although I may need a bit of practice). Let me know how I could improve the new Derry logo too, although we might not use it, I've made a little Doire userbox with it. =p Pauric 22:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks great the only thing is the black outline around the oak leave and the outside of the circle if you could get that it would be bang on , also i'd suggest using the eye dropper to get the red colour closer to the original red (Gnevin 12:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC))
Good effort, however, I would be aprehensive about using unofficial (sorry to call it this but I can't think of another word) 'fanart'. Is that how all the GAA logos are made?--Macca7174 00:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The gaa logo here where all taken from official sites but their quality is crap, once it was 100% clear on the on the logo page that is a copy of the official logo i wouldn't see a problem (19:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC))

Useful Websites

We are all having difficulty finding websites that give information about player's details, match scores etc. Perhaps it would be a good idea to pool all the websites we use here?? I would suggest everyone mention the websites you, even if they seem obvious - some people may use different search engines etc, and not have come across them yet. I shall start the first few.--Macca7174 11:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

  • An Fear Rua's searchThis is good for getting recent year's championships, as well as getting opinions on the state of the game, which a lot of articles need to start addressing.
  • Hogan Stand Mag Probably everyone's first port of call, due to comprehesive coverage of every county individually.
  • RTE's TV News website This is great in that it provides streaming video reports of the day's matches. Go to the drop down menu at the left (archives), and find the date of the match. The archive goes back to June 05, although I don't know if this will remain.

New stub proposal

Their is a proposal for a new stub cat over here here ,have your say (Gnevin 22:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC))

As you properly know Image:Gaelic Athletic Association.png is licensed under fair use, i am going to ask Pauric would he be able to make a logo that contains a Gaelic football and Hurl such as Image:Cdawson gac.gif so we can use it instead on templates and the likes the other suggestion is two logos one on a hurl and one of ball like this one Image:Offalynewcrest.jpg(Gnevin 20:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC))

That sounds like a good idea, but could you please make sure a sliotar appears in the logo. Hurling and football may be the two most popular and well-known GAA sports, but rounders and handball are official games too. My opinion is that a sloitar would suffice for rounders (a bat would obviously be better), I don't know what handball would require. sony-youth 21:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll certainly have a go at it anyway, I'll get a few different ones done tonight, and post them up here. Any suggesions for colour schemes would be appreciated, as I've said a couple of times on here before I'm colour blind, so on the colour side of things, some stuff I do may look a bit naff. Pauric 21:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I've done this one, it's not looking that good, but I've got basic shapes drawn in it. Let me know what you like/dislike, etc. I'll do some more tomorrow, not feeling very creative tonight.
Pauric 22:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
That looks good my suggestions would be too
P.S don't delete old version just upload a new file so we can compare the two (Gnevin 00:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC))
Okay, is a handball white? For the harp, are you wanting to fill up some space with some Irish symbolism? I think there's probably something more relevant we could use than that, although I can't think of anything right now. Pauric 17:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the handball is white but i'll ask User:Frainc as he'd know 100% , i suggested the harp as it has been both a traditionally irish and appear on the gaa symbol
I have a handball at home. It's red. --Eamonnca1 19:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It would appear that their is not set colour , but white seems the most common (Gnevin 22:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC))
Here's how the logo will appear on the {{gaelic-sport-stub}} template
 This Gaelic Athletic Association-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

Category:Gaelic Athletic Association stubs

worth considering (Gnevin 19:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC))

[9] A link to how the offical logo looked before it was removed (Gnevin 19:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC))
If you're customising this for the stub template(s), I'd suggest enlarging the football, caman, etc, skipping the text, which doesn't work too well at 30px, and perhaps using a square or 4x3-ish rectangyular background, to make better use of the space. Alai 20:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Did a couple more, re both your suggestions. Just realised I forgot to do the box thing you mentioned Alai, I'll get it done though.


Pauric 22:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:GAA logo-test2.png looks very good for the templates ,am very impressed , could you do this with Cumann Lúthchleas Gael around the outside going over the top and Gaelic Athletic Association going down for use on userpages and other use's ?

"could you do this with Cumann Lúthchleas Gael around the outside going over the top and Gaelic Athletic Association going down" - Not sure what you mean sorry, could you rephrase that? Pauric 22:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[10]] like this but where this has department of energy you'd put Cumann Lúthchleas Gael and where USA is would be Gaelic Athletic Association (Gnevin 22:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC))

Okay, I'll give it a go, but I'm not sure how to do it with my software just yet. Pauric 23:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I like test2 too, very nice job. I wouldn't worry about the 'box': that was just a suggestion, and the disk looks clear enough at 30px, I think. Alai 23:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the direction of test2. But have a few comments: 1. the proportionate size of the hurleys look huge; 2. especially in relation to the sloitar; 3. are those rounder's bats or goals? (sorry!) I'd also suggest playing with what it looks like without the green/orange disk, this would give more room for composing the image (composing in to a square rather than a circle) which might be more useful for use when it is scaled down, like in the stub article template. But really, it's a great job, these are just minor - well done. --sony-youth 11:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa guys, hold everything. What's going on here? Why are we trying to concoct a new logo for the organisation? I mean, if the Sony logo were licensed under fair use, would wikipedians just invent a new one? I don't think the company would appreciate that. What you guys are envisaging here is not an actual official GAA logo, so to use it and pass it off as such is misleading, kinda contrary to the whole point of what wikipedia's all about. Why can't we just use the official GAA corporate logo? --Eamonnca1 18:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

We are not trying to replace the offical logo we need a logo as the stub template cant use fair use logo's either can any other templates or the numerous other places. This logo will represents Gaelic Games not the GAA just like Image:Ru_ball.png (Gnevin 19:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC))
Well then the 'logo' shouldn't contain the words Gaelic Athletic Association if that's not what it represents. Just so we're clear, is this just going to be an internal wikipedia thing? If so, it should be crystal clear that it's a wikipedia thing. And what are those two vertical drumstick-like objects? Also, I'm not clear on what you mean by a 'fair use' logo or why you can't use it. Where is that documentation? (You'll have to forgive me, I'm not familiar with a lot of wikipedia's stuff beyond basic text editing). --Eamonnca1 21:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The drum sticks are Rounders bats and the WP:Fair use , it basicly means its ok too use the GAA logo on the GAA specific pages but players etc. are covered and since templates can be used anywhere Fair use means they cant have the logo (Gnevin 21:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC))
Sorry, can you re-phrase the part about fair use? Thanks. --Eamonnca1 01:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Basicly is says since the GAA logo is copyrighted we can use it on the GAA pages that is fair use ,as their is no other way we can show the GAA logo without using it. However fair use also states that while its on too use it on GAA pages they are the only ones as the GAA still retains the copyright and anyothere usage is in breach of copyright, hope that explains (Gnevin 19:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC))
So you want to create a GAA logo to use on non-GAA pages? Why? In any case, why not just get their permission to use it? I know D Power at Croke Park, I could speak to him and get his permission if need be. --Eamonnca1 23:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Not on non-GAA pages , pages such as player pages or user page or grounds, For the offical logo too be useful on Wiki the GAA would need to give up the copyright which isnt going to happen (Gnevin 00:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC))
What do you mean 'give up the copyright?' Surely all they have to do is give permission for the logo's use on GAA-related pages. --Eamonnca1 18:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added "test2" to the gaelic-games-stub template, since that seems to be the general gist of the above discussion. Alai 19:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks good here's a quick
This user supports Gaelic games. 
userbox, feel free to edit it (Gnevin 21:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC))
Can't figure out how to wrap text around the logo, any consensus on what needs to be changed on this logo? If anyone has one of the newer releases of photoshop though, I know there's a feature to make text follow paths if they want to have a crack at it. I like the userbox there Gnevin. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 22:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it'd be a good addition for either the userbox or the stub template; the text would be too small, and cramp up the rest of the image. It might also raise the objection that Eamonnca1 makes above, of appearing to be an "alternative" GAA logo, rather than representing Gaelic games in general, as is intended. Alai 00:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah i'm in agreement looks fine without the text , can you change the sloitar to a handball?(Gnevin 00:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC))
Sorry, thought I'd already changed it. Want me to overwrite the test2 file with the updated version? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
File:GAA logo-test4.png -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Thats looks great , you could proberly give it a proper name and description now (Gnevin 00:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC))
I find the rounders bats a bit confusing. Is it really necessary to include them? --Eamonnca1 18:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it is, so we can represent more than just the two big sports. However, if you have any ideas of a better way to represent rounders, I'm all ears. :) -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 18:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
How about crossing the bats somehow like the hurlies? I'm not sure where you'd put them though. --Eamonnca1 18:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What about right underneath the hulries, and above the handball? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 19:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Sub-category for All Stars: Counties

I am going to start a sub-catogory for Category:Gaelic Athletic Association All Star Awards (football), with Category:Tyrone All Star (football). Does anyone have any objections? I think it is a logical step in the categorisation of All Star Winners to have subcategories for each county?? --Macca7174 15:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Go for it (Gnevin 18:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC))

Brackets.

I created Ulster Senior Club Football Championship 2006. Is there anyone that knows how to include the preminelary round game (Cross vs Gweedore) in the "Last 9 layout" brackets section? Derry Boi 15:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe you'd have to switch from {{8TeamBracket}} to using {{16TeamBracket}} instead. Would be better if there was the possibility of blanking unneeded prelim. round boxes. Of course, you could subst: the template, and edit that code... Alai 07:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I found this for the 1999 Rugby World Cup. Maybe you could manipulate it to the Ulster Championship. I don't know how to work the code.
QF Playoffs Quarter finals Semi-finals Final
            
Wales Wales 9
Australia Australia 24
South Africa South Africa 21
Australia Australia 27
England 45
Fiji 24
England 21
South Africa South Africa 44
Australia Australia 35
France France 12
Ireland 24
Argentina 28
France France 47
Argentina 26
New Zealand New Zealand 31
France France 43
Scotland 35
Samoa 20
New Zealand 30
Scotland 18

--Macca7174 13:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks interesting i maybe be able to backwards engineer something for it (Gnevin 15:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC))
It seems fine for GAA purpose as is it now, what changes does it need (Gnevin 15:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC))
well, the issue arose from the Ulster Senior Club Football Championship, because it has one preliminary round match - to reduce nine teams to eight. It would also be needed, therefore, for Ulster Senior Football Championship. I would imagine the other provincial championships are in the same boat.--Macca7174 12:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
That works fine as is with the Ulster Club championship and i've added it ,my guess is that it will be very well used by GAA articles good find! (Gnevin 14:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC))
I have updated the Ulster Senior Football Championship now with the proper bracketstructure for the 2007 championship. Here is what it looks like.--Macca7174 23:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Preliminary Round Quarter finals Semi Final Final
            
Down
Cavan
 
Monaghan
 
 
Antrim
Derry
 
 
Fermanagh
Tyrone
 
 
Donegal
20px Armagh

Cambridge University

Cambridge University Gaelic Athletic Club has been nominated for deletion have a look (Gnevin 14:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC))

CLG Eoghan Rua

There was two articles for the GAA clubs in Coleraine: Owen Roe GAC and Coleraine GAC. It's worth pointing out that the club themselves only use the Irish version of the name. Therfore I moved Owen Roe GAC to CLG Eoghan Rua and redirected Coleraine GAC to it as well. Derry Boi 00:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Club templates.

Why don't we have the Irish clubname section of the club templates anymore? Derry Boi 00:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

How do you mean (Gnevin 21:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC))
Ok i see , should be fixed now was a bug (Gnevin 21:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

GAA pitch layout

As per Gnevins request, GAA pitch layout. Let me know what you all think.
-- Pauric (talk-contributions) 03:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks good can you make the following changes please .
  • Move the word midfielder up so the line doesnt block it
  • Move right half word up and into line with the center half forward and left half forword
  • Change center corner forward to center forward
  • Move the full forward line in line with the left corner forward
  • Move the full back up a bit (Gnevin 21:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC))
How's this? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 22:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Thats 100% i'll add it to gaelic football ,hurling and Gaelic football and Hurling positions (Gnevin 23:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC))
Is their a case for marking line with their distance , you know 21 ,45,60 etc ? (Gnevin 19:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC))
Alright. Does it go 21, 45, 60, mid, 60, 45, 21? I'm not 100% on my Gaelic. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 21:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[11], it goes 13,20,45(football),60 (hurling) mid, 60,45,20,13 (Gnevin 23:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC))
Image:Gaelic football pitch diagram.jpg needs an extra line in for the middle and the numbers(Gnevin 23:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC))

Archive?

Maybe time for another Archive Gnevin? I'd do it, but I don't know how the talk page is getting pretty big, slow and messy here. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 19:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Done (Gnevin 19:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC))

County Londonderry , Derry and Derry GAA

Jumping threw hoops to avoid the WP:IMOS is not good pratice, the use of piped links in Derry GAA articals has gotten very bad. So far i've see

Also every gaa player i've see is from derry the city surely this isnt correct ? The IMOS it is agreed wiki policy , we should follow it (Gnevin 20:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC))

IMO, using the IMOS regarding Derry GAA is nonsense. Granted it's semi-official policy, but 90% of people from county Derry, even protestants call it Derry. It's only called Londonderry by unionists outside Derry, and Brits. Now, whilst that may be somewhat off topic, what to call it and what not too, no one says Londonderry when they're talking about GAA. Whilst it may be technically accurate regarding the policy to refer to GAA teams as that, it's really overkill. I've never used the term "PC gone mad" before, and I dislike it, but it's suitable here imo. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 21:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The GAA can call its 'counties' whatever it wants since it doesn't follow whatever the civil authorities call them and nor does it follow the county boundaries of local government. (Are Co. Fingal going to win the All-Ireland next year?) In fact, strictly speaking, there are no counties in the north since the county councils were abolished. The GAA can refer to Derry, Doire, Doire Colmcille, or even revert back to 'County Coleraine' if it wants. One thing for sure, there's no 'Londonderry' in the GAA. --Eamonnca1 21:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not here to debate the derry v londonderry issue again, nor do i ever intend to get involved in it again, nor am getting into a debate over the WP:IMOS we already have 3 of them active on the talk page .
The fact of the matter is their has been agreement here to call the county Londonderry we should take active steps to promote this as other people will do it and wont be happy at all the tricks pulled to get around the IMOS .
Eamonnca this in not about renaming Derry GAA to Londonderry GAA its about saying x is a Gaelic Athletic Association club/player/ground in/from County Londonderry .
Now if you can get the WP:IMOS changed fine but up to them we cant ignore it (Gnevin 22:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC))

Please note there is no team called Londonderry attatched to the G.A.A. To refer the Derry G.A.A. team as Londonderry is just wrong, notwithstanding any political inferences that may be drawn from it.

Peer review of GAA articial

I have submitted Gaelic Athletic Association for Peer review have a look Wikipedia:Peer review/Gaelic Athletic Association/archive1 (Gnevin 09:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC))

Good incentive, but I wish you would have mentioned that you were going to do this before going ahead, so we could have a quick once over.
A quick look over the article myself, and I see uncited sources, informal language, slight grammatical errors etc. I mentioned we should strive to work on a particular article for this treatment (well, I mentioned at the time Featured Status - I would have meant Peer Review If i had of known the channels these things go through.) I'll see what I can do about the copy, but there is already a {{sources}} tag applied to it.--Macca7174 13:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for not mentioning it before it was a spur of the moment thing , The good thing is that we a getting feedback which we can work with and then resubmit for review.
As for a reviewing artical not too get FA but just to review them that is a good idea. I'd suggest week focus on Gaelic Athletic Association , followed by Gaelic football and Hurling as the first few . (Gnevin 13:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC))

Suggestions for weekly review

As per a above please add suggestion of articial in need of a review by the project as a whole (Gnevin 13:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC))

Is a very important article that needs attention can anyone help (Gnevin 10:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC))

New counties template

I've designed a template to replace Gaelic_Athletic_Association#The_GAA_across_Ireland_and_the_World have a look


Please give suggestions

(Gnevin 14:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)) (Gnevin 18:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC))

Looking good. There are a few other overseas units too, like Europe, Asia and Australasia. Not sure if they're county boards or provincial councils though. --Eamonnca1 00:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Europe is in their i can asia and australasia but they will be red links (Gnevin 13:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC))
Capitalisation? USA (excluding new york) - > excluding New York --sony-youth 10:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok fixed anything else ? (Gnevin 12:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC))

Rename

Should Category:Northern Irish Gaelic sportspeople and its sub category be deleted as renamed by sport like Category:Dublin Gaelic footballers and Category:Dublin hurlers (Gnevin 21:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC))

yes switch to the individual counties hurlers and footballers--Macca7174 10:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Done (Gnevin 23:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC))

When

When did clubs stop representing countys at all ireland level and the county team as we know it come in to being (Gnevin 13:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC))

Good question, it's on the tip of my tongue too. I'll have a look when I get home. It's in the book of stats that Croke Park produced earlier this year. I think Cork was first to put in a select team. --Eamonnca1 23:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Any luck get this info? (Gnevin 01:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC))
Actually, Richard Behal's Gaelic Gazette has it, see http://www.gaelicgazette.com/allirelandfootball.htm . 1892 Congress granted permission for winning club to use players from other clubs in the county, but when the modern set-up of county boards and selectors came in is trickier to pin down. --Eamonnca1 18:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Rolls of honours

The roll of honours on most championship pages are too long see Dublin_Senior_Hurling_Championship#Roll_of_Honour now on Cork_Senior_Hurling_Championship#Roll_of_Honour i've used div to shorten by half the lenght but its still too long , any ideas here ? My suggestions are

  1. removing them
  2. div by 2
  3. div by 3
  4. create seperate articals for them

(Gnevin 23:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC))

Dividing into two looks grand, three might be necessary in the future as it continues in the future, itl be long enough to justify a full page in bout 50years Frainc 00:15 29 November 2006

Categories

Was just looking at one of the articles mentioned above re the roll of honours, and I noticed that Category:Gaelic football competitions contains a lot of hurling articles. I take it this was an accident and these are to be de-categorised from there? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah added in error ,i'll run awb on it tomorow (Gnevin 00:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC))
Fixed (Gnevin 16:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

Photos!!

I have got permission from a Flickr user to use his photographs on wikipedia. Some of them are great action shots, but unfortunately there aren't many clear photos of individual players alone.

Here is an example of one of his pics, which I have saved in wikimedia commons.

File:Tyrone Panel 2005.jpg--Macca7174 14:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You'll need to ask the user to re licence the image [12] as
  • Attribution by

or

  • Attribution-NoDerivs

or

  • Attribution-ShareAlike

see [13] (Gnevin 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

I have changed my opinion of Flikr , it has made whole sale changes to the licences it uses and it has left most image from flikr on wiki in breech of Copyright(Gnevin 15:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC))
Does that mean we can or can't use them? because I've noticed other players profiles now have pics that I had earmarked on Flickr. For Example, Colm Cooper, and Donal Óg Cusack.--Macca7174 15:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
If they are now tagged as non commercial they should be deleted (Gnevin 10:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC))

I have nominated List of footballers (Gaelic football) for deletion have your say over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of footballers (Gaelic football) (Gnevin 23:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC))

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