Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Drag Race/Archive 9

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Collaboration of the Month: Canada's Drag Race (season 2)

Canada's Drag Race (season 2) is the Collaboration of the Month for November. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Priscilla

New stub for the host of Drag Race Italia: Priscilla (drag queen) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Cat the Redirects or not?

All of the Canada's Drag Race Season 2 queens , for example, Océane Aqua-Black are redirects to Canada's Drag Race Season 2. That's fine, but there, the redirects are categorized , including Category:Canada's Drag Race contestants , however the queens on the US show aren't categorized, so Joey Jay (drag queen) has no categories. So should we categorize the redirects for queens into the appropriate contestant category or not?Naraht (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

There isn't a rule that redirects must always be categorized, but there isn't a rule that redirects aren't allowed to be categorized either — sometimes there are times when categorization of a redirect is warranted, sometimes there are times when it really isn't, and sometimes there's just no really strong reasoning either way and it just comes down to editor discretion. If you want to categorize Joey Jay (or any other RPDR queen who only has a redirect rather than a standalone BLP), then go right ahead — there's no reason why they can't be added to categories, it's just that nobody actually did. Bearcat (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Snatch game roles on season page?

Should the season/series page include for the Snatch page episode that Q1 played Person A, Q2 played Person B, etc, or should that only be on the snatch game page? The page for the current Canada page has it, I don't remember it being on any other season.Naraht (talk) 21:24, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Multiple other season's pages include them and I also saw someone add them in some articles earlier. I'd say it wouldn't hurt to have the Snatch Game characters on the season's pages. I think it would be fine with or without them. -- Thijslandsmeer (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I think that it indeed makes sense to include them in the episode summary of each season's page, under the Snatch Game episode. I think that's how it's currently presented for most seasons. Zouki08 (talk) 12:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Does The Bald and The Beautiful even belong here?

Please see my query for help at Talk:UNHhhh#Does The Bald and The Beautiful even belong here?. Thanks! shanghai.^{talk to me} 03:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Drag Race franchise article and category structure

I've posted a note at WikiProject Television seeking feedback on whether or not Category:RuPaul's Drag Race and Template:RuPaul's Drag Race should be restructured/renamed to focus on the global franchise instead of the U.S. specifically. In other words, should RPDR be a 'subcategory' of Category:Drag Race (franchise), similar to Category:Big Brother (franchise) (?) Feedback welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

In a nutshell: yes. 'Drag Race' is the franchise, with multiple subtypes. (And sub-subtype in the case of All Stars.) Daundelin ❁ 15:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month: Drag Race Italia

Ciao! Drag Race Italia is the Collaboration of the Month for December. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race: UK Versus the World

RuPaul's Drag Race: UK Versus the World has been announced. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Might need to be moved later, but for now I've added a link to the spin-offs section under "Related" at Template:RuPaul's Drag Race... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

France

Confirmed! Drag Race France ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

The Bitch Who Stole Christmas

Project members may be interested in this upcoming film, slated to air on VH1: The Bitch Who Stole Christmas ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Unresolved

Anyone able to add the title card or promotional poster to the infobox? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month: RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14)

Happy New Year! RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) is the Collaboration of the Month for January 2022. Happy editing, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:11, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Utica Queen nominated for speedy deletion

Resolved

FYI, Utica Queen has been nominated for speedy deletion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Kahmora Hall

New stub: Kahmora Hall. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Joey Jay (drag queen)

New stub: Joey Jay (drag queen) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Olivia Lux

New stub: Olivia Lux ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Elliott with 2 Ts

New stub: Elliott with 2 Ts ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:55, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Elecktra Bionic

New stub, Elecktra Bionic! -- Thijslandsmeer (talk) 18:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Update: The article has been redirected. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:30, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Juice Boxx

New stub: Juice Boxx (not created by me) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Redirected by another editor. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

... then brought back to life by User:Bearcat! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Kornbread at AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kornbread Jeté

---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:57, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted, feel free to share feedback. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Call Me Mother

Although it's not directly related to the RuPaul's Drag Race franchise per se, I'm having a problem that I need some help with that is indirectly related to this project, so I thought I'd ask here for some assistance.

I've been trying to add weekly episode summaries to Call Me Mother in the same table format as an RPDR season uses. However, while I can get the table itself to display properly in the article, I can't get the actual episode summaries to show up at all, and instead I'm only getting the "episode numbers/title/airdate" header bars. As I genuinely can't figure out what I'm doing wrong, could somebody who's more actively involved in updating the tables for RPDR seasons take a look to see if you can fix the problem? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 00:32, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

This might be related: If {{Episode list/sublist}} is used then the page name must be specified to display the summary there, e.g. {{Episode list/sublist|List of Carnivàle episodes|...}}. The summary will not appear if the code is transcluded in another page. This is from the documentation for Template:Episode list/sublist. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. That fixed it; I'm ordinarily not used to episode lists in which the page title actually has to be individually respecified at all, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to me why that parameter would even be necessary, but that was the ticket. Thanks again. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Aja

FYI

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/12/20/aja-trans-woman-drag-race/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Be Here, Be Queer

Related documentary film: Be Here, Be Queer ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Drag Race Thailand infobox images

I see there's an infobox for the season 2 article, but not the season 1 or parent article Drag Race Thailand. Anyone ale to add title cards or promotional artwork to these? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Kerri Colby

New stub (expanded by another editor): Kerri Colby ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:48, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Linked.Naraht (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Redirected. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Resurrected by another editor. Still needs a lot of work... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Drag Race France

FYI, panel for Drag Race France:

https://ew.com/tv/nicky-doll-drag-race-france-host/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

April Carrión

I've restored and make a few improvements to the April Carrión article. Carrión has continued to receive coverage and the last AfD discussion was in 2019. Feel free to help improve further, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Drag Race Sweden

Coming soon!

https://ew.com/tv/drag-race-sweden-season-1-announced/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars (season 7)

The queens of RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars (season 7) will be announced in a few minutes ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Gia Metric

I've created a new stub for Gia Metric. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Mural of Dolly Parton and RuPaul

Not sure if this new article should be tagged as part of this project, but regardless, project members who saw the most recent episode might be interested in Mural of Dolly Parton and RuPaul. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Drag: The Musical

Again, not specifically about RPDR, but related: Drag: The Musical ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:19, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Maddy Morphosis

New stub: Maddy Morphosis. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:15, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

... has been redirected ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox image for Painted with Raven?

Unresolved

Anyone able to add the title card or promotional artwork to the Painted with Raven infobox? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 06:06, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Contestant Progress Table (Season 14)

For Season 14 Episodes 1 and 2, there have been multiple edits on the queens' HIGH and SAFE placements. I edited Jasmine Kennedie from SAFE to HIGH as she did not receive a single negative critique from the judges. Lady Camden also received 100% positive critiques. Jorgeous received positive critiques, but was told her lip sync could have been tighter by multiple judges. For this reason, I edited her to SAFE, as her critiques per the judges were not 100% positive like Camden's and Kennedie's. Another user has repeatedly edited the table inconsistently (either edits only Jorgeous to HIGH and leaves Kennedie HIGH or edits both Jorgeous to HIGH and Kennedie to SAFE) without explanation. Also, I have corrected a typo in the Legend where the word 'positive' is misspelled and this user has undone that revision as well.

I am aware of the previous discussion concerning the contestant progress table and the subjectivity of its contents. Though most episodes have clear top and bottom performers as discussed by the judges, not every episode follows the same format. The HIGH, LOW placements should be included when possible. However, if an agreement can't be reached for Episodes 1 and 2, they should fall under the format of WIN, BTM, SAFE, and ELIM. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 03:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree. For most episodes it's obvious, but in case of doubt, it's safer to place someone as SAFE. Zouki08 (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Episodes 1 and 2 have had quite a bit of back and forth, so I edited the subjective HIGHs to SAFE. It appears another editor has undone the changes. It would be helpful if editors included reasoning when making changes. Even the typos I fixed returned, so it appears someone is copying and pasting their old content, which is disruptive. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 20:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

The overall consensus about HIGH and LOW is not to use them, based on a lengthy discussion we held last year (You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_RuPaul's_Drag_Race/Archive_8#Progress_tables_across_all_seasons ) that involved assessing policy, sources and how much that information would be needed in Wikipedia. Now, while I don't think the conclusion of that discussion is written in stone, if we're going to overrule it we would need some pretty solid arguments to do so, at least as solid as the arguments that were used to reach the original decision and probably better. So I think that information should be removed unless we reopen the discussion and reach a different conclusion. About undoing the changes including typos, while I haven't checked the history of the article, that may have been caused by someone reverting the article to the version before you did those edits. Not A Superhero (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I did see that archived discussion. It appears that there are editors who keep adding the HIGH statuses back in. If I had a vote, I agree that some episodes should not include those distinctions since there isn't agreement as to who was HIGH or SAFE, hence the warring with Episode 2 specifically. Whoever keeps changing it is of the opinion that in Episode 2, Jorgeous was HIGH and Jasmine was SAFE. I have the opposite opinion, so I think this disagreement is proof enough for the subjectivity of the episode and should have all HIGHs removed. (This is not important, but I believe this other editor is basing their opinion on the order in which Ru called them SAFE and not the critiques themselves.) Conversely, Episode 3 is clear cut as to who are HIGH and LOW and so I agree with the contributors who think, in these cases, that information should be retained in the table. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

The point is that it is always subjective as to who was high/low. At no point ever in the show does RuPaul (or any other judge, who are collectively with the producers the only people who know the rankings, and therefore the only sources) say "you are ranked high, you are ranked low." The only verifiable information we have are: Win, safe, lipsync (btm2/btm6 in s11), eliminated. Everything else requires subjective opinion, which is explicitly against Wikipedia policy. There's no way around that. Daundelin ❁ 22:38, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

This has already been hashed out in excruciating detail in that archived discussion. I agree with Not A Superhero that there would need to be "probably better" arguments of why to include rankings other than the ones currently listed. And Daundelin's comment is exactly how I feel; the other rankings are subjective opinion. If we include those, the tables will never be stable, as everyone has their own opinions of who is high/low, etc. --Kbabej (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I disagree that it is always subjective. It is a very formulaic TV show- with most episodes following the WIN, SAFE, HIGH, LOW, BTM, ELIM formatting. Verifiable does not necessitate an explicit "you are LOW/HIGH" from a judge's mouth. The transcripts of the episodes make it clear who was SAFE, and then who of the remaining are WIN, HIGH, LOW, BTM, ELIM. A good compromise would be to retain the HIGH/LOW values in the episodes with the common format and to leave them out for outlier episodes, such as this season's Episodes 1 and 2. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, yes, it does necessitate an explicit statement from a Judge's mouth. Verifiability means that anyone--including anyone without any knowledge of the subject--can go to the source and verify that the statement on Wikipedia is directly from that source. Low/high are purely subjective. Indeed, they are made up, because we do not know whether someone is low or high. It's a guess. Daundelin ❁ 04:54, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, it's not a guess. RuPaul explicitly says in Season 14 Episode 5, "Now all three of you have not been in the top" to Bosco, Lady Camden, and Daya Betty, which is consistent with Episodes 1 and 2 being of the WIN SAFE BTM ELIM format and the other episodes of the typical format. It shouldn't be declared subjective based on some's inability to discern. It has been established many times in the common format- RuPaul says you represent the tops and bottoms after she sends away SAFE. And if it's necessary to say, the ones who aren't the last three are TOP.RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 06:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

"And if it's necessary to say, the ones who aren't the last three are TOP"

Yeah, no. Again: that is you putting your interpretation on things. That's not how WP:V works and I am tired of explaining it to fans who refuse to comprehend that Wikipedia isn't for your WP:FANCRUFT. You can go to Wikia for that. Wikipedia relies on facts being verifiable, and there is no way around that whatsoever. End of discussion. Daundelin ❁ 03:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

It's telling by your 'end of discussion' statement that you fancy yourself some authority on this matter and that clearly, you aren't open to differing ideas. I am not interested in Fancruft. I think the tables are missing key pieces of information about a competition show that has distinguishable top/bottom rankings. The series itself is the source, not to mention WP states blogs written by professional writers may be used for verifiability, but we don't even need to go there. It is a competition show where the host and creator of the show has said right on the show that there are tops and bottoms. The dialogue verifies unanimously that the contestants who are SAFE are not in the TOP- throughout the series and nearly every episode. No one on the show refutes this. To be amongst that first set of SAFE sent to Untucked is to not be in the TOP- not by my interpretation, but by the dialogue and content of the show that we're discussing. RuPaul and hosts make the BOTTOM abundantly clear. This is and has been the structure of this competition television show for many years. At the very least, the table can have a different key for WIN, SAFE, RECEIVED CRITIQUE, BOTTOM, ELIM. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 05:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I have read WP:V which apparently does make me more of an expert than you, as it is abundantly clear you have not. What you are refusing to accept is that your assertions require interpretation. Which is not something Wikipedia does. The entire project rests on verifiable fact, and the idea that we can identify who is 'high' and who is 'low' has been more than definitively disproven by the years of edit-warring on the subject. Edit-warring which has only been brought to an end by removing that unverifiable, unencyclopedic nonsense from the progress tables.

Again: if you want that information, go to Wikia. It does not belong here, and you do not know what you are talking about. And before you start: I have watched the show since the very first episode of S1 aired, I have been a fan of RuPaul since I bought Supermodel on cassette since the day it was released, and I have seen every single English-language episode of Drag Race that has ever been filmed. I am an enormous fan of the show, but unlike you it seems, I also actually understand how Wikipedia works. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules and policies of this place before you continue banging on about something which doesn't belong here. Daundelin ❁ 17:12, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding to what Daundelin said: Do we have sources? You mention that "we don't even need to go there" about blogs written by professionals. However, as part of the past discussion about those table placements, I did a somewhat extensive search for sources and I couldn't find a source that had enough standing to fit the verifiability criteria and covered all the show. Why can't we find sources that help us to not rely on the episodes? Where are they? First that, and second: why do you say HIGH and LOW are a key piece of information? What makes them so fundamental that, in your opinion, the tables can't do without them? Not A Superhero (talk) 05:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

It is, and has always been, only two things: 1) WP:FANCRUFT; 2) rabid fans desperate to 'prove' that their favourite was aCkShUlLy 'high' and therefore was robbed and obviously was the true winner, while simultaneously 'proving' that their least favourite was aCkShUlLy 'low' and therefore shouldn't have won. It's a tiresome argument that's been going on in the fandom for 13 years now, and since the move to VH1 and the drastic lowering in average fan age, it's only gotten worse. Season 9 was the turning point, with Valentina's rabid coterie of completely unhinged fans showing the rest of the fandom that they can basically do whatever they want. It's annoying, it's old, and it's tiring, because at the end of the day it's largely teenagers who are unable to distinguish their opinion (of a highly produced, blatantly manipulated, extremely edited 'reality' 'competition') from verifiable facts about the TV show. Daundelin ❁ 18:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I would actually consider that an argument to remove those sentences from the episode summaries, unless we can find a verifiable source for them. Even for episodes following the formula, at the end there is always room for interpretation, which is the problem here. Also, I don't think using HIGH/LOW for some episodes and not for others would end well, it would be just too difficult to track and would open the same door to subjectivity that the prior discussion closed. I think that thing should be either all in, or all out. Either we find a way to source that stuff for all episodes in all seasons, or we shouldn't be using it. I personally like HIGH/LOW and I feel they enrich the summary of the season and the perspective on how the contestants performed, but I don't think there is (at this moment) a way to add them that is compliant with Wikipedia policy. Not A Superhero (talk) 03:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I think you are right that if the argument holds, then those sentences should be removed. Do you think RuPaul outright stating to specific contestants in S14 E5 that they have not been in the top can bring us clarity? Using logic, it is consistent with some of the arguments presented above, i.e., no HIGH in E1&2 and typical rankings as we've known them for the others. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 06:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

The issue with this is that it applies to a very specific group of contestants in a specific group of episodes in this season. How do we extrapolate that to all the other contestants in all the other episodes and seasons? Edit: Just like Roxxxy Andrews, let me get here to make it clear: It's not a matter of convincing people that HIGH and LOW are valid/real. It's a matter of whether the way they're presented in the show is enough to satisfy the verifiability and objectivity requirements to include them in the articles, and for that the consensus is that it's not. Not A Superhero (talk) 18:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

It is verifiable that the first batch of SAFE contestants are not in the TOP through the dialogue in just about every week. So even if a blind eye wanted to be turned to the fact that the last three people on the stage all received negative critiques and two are up for elimination, and the remaining received positive critiques, we can at least label them something like RECEIVED CRITIQUE. The tables as they are don't retain much information about the episode or the contestants' progress. RuPaulsDragLeague (talk) 05:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

New WOW Presents Plus programming

FYI: https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/culture/wow-presents-plus-confirms-sickening-new-slate-of-originals-with-drag-race-favourites/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month

Drag Race España (season 2) is the Collaboration of the Month for April.

(In my humble opinion, a very strong start to the season! Loved the talent show.) Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Tempest DuJour

Working on Draft:Tempest DuJour, which should be moved into the main space soon. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Probably should have a section for what he does at U of Arizona. I mean at this point I'd be shocked if any other queens were Associate Professors. (And we just created a page where the fact that he worked at *Target* prior to getting on Drag Race.) Not sure he qualifies on WP:ACADEMIC though. :) Naraht (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Sure, definitely worth mentioning if you can find sources. I haven't come across in my googling yet... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:28, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Just google "Patrick Holt" and Arizona. I'm at work, so while I can google things, I can't actually look at the results for most of the entertainment sites. Check out https://tftv.arizona.edu/people/directory/pholt/ and https://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/profile-problems/Content?oid=4834991 , I think they may be a start.Naraht (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Moved to Tempest DuJour ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:35, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Jasmine Kennedie

New stub: Jasmine Kennedie. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

We got HIGH again on the last aired episode of Season 14.

Not sure how to fix it since the table is in a template, so I thought I would just pass the word to people who know how to deal with that better than I do.

Editing: I haven't watched the episode, but apparently they all were told they are on the top by Rupaul, is that correct? Not A Superhero (talk) 04:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Not exactly. They were told 'there are no bottoms' this week, and then three queens were sent to the back of the stage, while RuPaul said (paraphrase, not pulling up the episode rn) 'now we'll decide who the top 2 are.' None of this really changes the consensus, but boy howdy have the usuals decided it does because they must have their HIGH/LOW nonsense or surely the sky will fall. Daundelin ❁ 17:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I just watched the episode. Truth to be said, Rupaul literally tells them "You represent the tops of the week", the kind of unequivocal statement we would need. I agree that it doesn't alter the consensus, though, because it applies strictly to this episode, and I would be very wary to include something like that for a single episode precisely because it would make people push to put it in all the episodes, as we just could see in real time. Not A Superhero (talk) 18:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess I misremembered. Agreed with your other point though. Daundelin ❁ 19:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

A suggestion for lipsync tables to be more consistent with color policy.

To keep consistency with the policy that information shouldn't just be conveyed by color, I think we could add the amount of times a queen has been on the bottom in parenthesis next to their namesso it shows for example "June Jambalaya (2) vs. Maddy Morphosis (1)". I feel it doesn't really alter the table and makes us more compliant with policy.

It would look like this:


Episode	Contestants			Song	Eliminated
1	June Jambalaya (1)	vs.	Orion Story (1)	"Water Me" (Lizzo)	Orion Story (1)
2	Daya Betty (1)	vs.	DeJa Skye (1)	"Fallin'" (Alicia Keys)	Daya Betty (1)
3	June Jambalaya (2)	vs.	Maddy Morphosis (1)	"I Love It" (Kylie Minogue)	June Jambalaya (2)
4	Alyssa Hunter (1)	vs.	Kerri Colby (1)	"Play" (Jennifer Lopez)	Alyssa Hunter (1)
5	Jorgeous (1)	vs.	Orion Story (2)	"My Head & My Heart" (Ava Max)	Orion Story (2)
6	Jasmine Kennedie (1)	vs.	Maddy Morphosis (2)	"Suga Mama" (Beyoncé)	Maddy Morphosis (2)
Episode	Contestants			Song	Winner
7	Daya Betty	vs.	Lady Camden	"One Way or Another" (Blondie)	Lady Camden

The contestant won the lip sync for the win.

The contestant was eliminated after their first time in the bottom two.

The contestant was eliminated after their second time in the bottom two.

The number of times a contestant was in the bottom is also showin in parenthesis next to their names.

What do you think? Not A Superhero (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Pangina

Pangina posted about their infobox image on social media so lots of vandalism at the moment.

I've submitted a request for temporary page protection. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Kahanna Montrese

New stub: Kahanna Montrese ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:59, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

No new links from other articles not already found.Naraht (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

UK vs. the World placement in Template:RuPaul's Drag Race

How should UK vs. the World (and contestants?) appear in Template:RuPaul's Drag Race? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:09, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The page has been moved to RuPaul's Drag Race: UK vs the World, and currently this show is listed under UK as "Related". Might not know how best to display this link until there are other "vs" shows. Until then, this one's a bit of an outlier. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Help at Liv Lux Miyake-Mugler

Olivia Lux has been moved to Liv Lux Miyake-Mugler. We might need to discuss how the article can be further updated. Are we referring to the subject as "Liv Lux" throughout? Do we still want to sort as "Olivia Lux" in Drag Race-related categories, templates, etc? Help! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:42, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I would say for Drag Race related purposes, the name should remain as Olivia Lux. We have some precedents about it: Trinity The Tuck is still refered to as Trinity Taylor in season 9, and James Ross as Tyra Sanchez in season 2, since those were they names they used during the season. Not A Superhero (talk) 02:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree it should remain Olive Lux per WP:COMMONNAME and precedent. I thought of reverting the page move but wanted to get consensus so as to not start an edit war. I raised the issue on the talk page as well. --Kbabej (talk) 15:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, maybe the way I wrote was not the best. I think the page move doesn't have a problem (Other drag queens have changed their names and the articles reflect it, most notably Trinity, and currently there's a discussion about Monique Heart), but in the Drag Race related articles where she's mentioned, we should use the name Olivia Lux.

That doesn't make sense to me. You want her referred to as Olivia Lux on RPDR-related articles, but other articles where she’s mentioned as Liv Lux Miyake-Mugler? What about an upcoming All Stars season? Or future analysis surrounding RPDR shows? I think we should use the subject's common name that RS sources use, not immediately change an article a day into a new performance name. No one - including RS - knows who Liv Lux is. --Kbabej (talk) 00:06, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

DragCon LA 2022 images

commons:Category:RuPaul's DragCon LA 2022

I've reviewed all of the images and I believe they have been categorized appropriately. I created a few new categories (Tempest DuJour, The Vivienne, Daya Betty, Lady Camden) and connected them to the Wikipedia entries. Feel free to see if the files can be used as better illustrations here at Wikipedia. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Update: Many more images have been added to the category! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Call to action! Please help identify and categorize these images

This gallery displays currently uncategorized images:

1. ???
Done 2. Angeria Paris VanMicheals
Done 3. Madame LaQueer
Done 4. Jessica Wild
Done 5. Adriana The Bombshell
Done 6. Maxi Shield
Done 7. Kahmora Hall
Done 8. Tayce and Thorgy Thor
Done 9. Tayce and Thorgy Thor
Done 10. Rock M. Sakura
Done 11. Alexis Michelle
Done 12. Pangina Heels
Done 13. Genie
Done 14. Vinegar Strokes
Done 15. Lemon
Done 16. Willow Pill, Kornbread Jeté, Angeria Paris VanMicheals
Done 17. Angeria Paris VanMicheals and Lady Camden
Done 18. Alexis Michelle and Dusty Ray Bottoms
Done 19. Orion Story
Done 20. Mocha Diva
Done 21. Art Simone and Etcetera Etcetera
Done 22. Mystique Summers
Done 23. Milk and Laganja Estranja
Done 24. Sasha Belle and Kandy Ho
Done 25. Cynthia Lee Fontaine
Done 26. Honey Davenport
Done 27. A'keria C. Davenport
Done 28. Dahlia Sin
Done 29. Widow Von'Du
Done 30. Tina Burner
Done 31. LaLa Ri and Olivia Lux
Done 32. Mocha Diva
Done 33. Sum Ting Wong
Done 34. Sederginne
Done 35. RuPaul's Drag Race Down Under + Pit Crew + Ts Madison
Done 36. Gia Metric and Synthia Kiss
Done 37. Etcetera Etcetera
Done 38. Tynomi Banks
Done 39. Nicole Page Brookes
Done 40. A'keria C. Davenport
Done 41.The Vixen
Done 42. A'Whora
Done 43. Lemon
Done 44. Beth
Done 45. Maxi Shield
46. Anastarzia Anaquway?
Done 47. Mariah Paris Balenciaga
Done 48. Serena ChaCha
Done 49. Kalorie Karbdashian Williams
Done 50. Synthia Kiss
Done 51. Kimora Amour
Done 52. Carmen Farala
Done 53. Angeria Paris VanMicheals
Done 54. Lemon
Done 55. A'Whora, Océane Aqua-Black, Honey Davenport, Pangina Heels and Beth
Done 56. Jorgeous and Priyanka
Done 57. Angeria Paris VanMicheals
Done 58. Lemon
59. Tammie Brown?
Done 60. Kim Chi
61. Done Gia Metric, Jasmine Kennedie, Synthia Kiss
62. Detox Icunt & Kimora Amour?
63. Zaddy (go-go dancer) & ?
Done 64. Dahlia Sin
Done 65. Angeria Paris VanMicheals
Done 66. Crystal Methyd & Angeria Paris VanMicheals
Rani Ko-HE-Nur, Novaczar, Grag Queen, Jujubee, Gingzilla, Betty Bitschlap, Regina Voce, Ada Vox

In some cases, I can identify the subject(s) but categorization is needed; other times, I'm unable to identify the subject(s) with certainty. Please feel free to mark as done once identified and categorized appropriately. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@AwkwardChester: I want to thank you for transferring and categorizing so many images. You did a wonderful job! The only mistake I noticed was a few images of Thorgy Thor being categorized as Acid Betty, which I believe I've fixed. Most of the images in the Commons category are now categorized, apart from those in the gallery above. I'm hoping project members can collaborate and identify/categorize the remaining images. Perhaps we can mark as

Done once categorized appropriately? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@CHR!S: You identified #42 as Kerri Colby but I don't think that's correct. I've removed the category for now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@CHR!S: Also, I don't think #66 depicts Tatianna. I've removed 'done' so others can check. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Armadillopteryx: Might you be able to confirm if #26 and #55 show Honey Davenport? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

They look like it to me (specifically, the person in yellow in #55). Armadillo pteryx 16:29, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Yup, thanks! Will categorize appropriately. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I can confirm #52 is Carmen Farala - just got done watching that season. --Kbabej (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I watched the queen's walk on WOW and I feel confident we've identified the subjects of the images marked Done correctly. Thank you all so much for helping here! Nice to see so many Wikipedia entries illustrated and new Commons categories created. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

New Wikimedia Commons categories

By the way, these uploads have allowed creation of the following categories at Wikimedia Commons:

Great work! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:29, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

RPDR Franchise Judges without en pages.

The following RPDR Franchises judges do not have pages on en.wiki. These are judges listed on Drag Race (franchise) which generally means they were at least alternating judges for at least one franchise. [xx] means that they *do* have pages on the xx wiki. There may be more, but if so, I've chosen the one in the native language of the franchise. Note, *all* of the judges for the new RPDR France already have them. The judges for RPDR Philippines haven't been announced, I believe.

Chile

Nicole Gaultier
Juan Pablo González
Sebastián Errázuriz
Oscar Mediavilla [es]

Italy

Tommaso Zorzi [it]

Netherlands

Marieke Samallo
Raven van Dorst [nl]
Nikkie Plessen [nl]

USA

Billy B

Not sure how easy it would be to create/translate some of these, but a possible new project.Naraht (talk) 14:16, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd be happy to take on Billy B. --Kbabej (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

As Billy B, Billy B. or Billy Brasfield? (Which ever ones aren't used, the other should be a redirect) I do see some google hits for "Billy B" that are Bill Brennan, not sure he is notable enough to cause confusion.Naraht (talk) 16:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Likely as Billy B, as that's what most RS use, and it was the version that existed before deletion in 2014. --Kbabej (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Given that it was deleted after his time on RPDR, we may have to find other things he has done since to contribute to notability.Naraht (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Billy B was deleted for "Unambiguous advertising or promotion: G12". Perhaps I'm overlooking another article about him which was deleted? Do you have a link to share? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not word my comment well. I meant to write something along the lines of "I'll use Billy B because that's what RS use and had been created once before". If that makes sense. :) --Kbabej (talk) 16:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed that the old one was deleted for G12, I thought it was AFD'd. I agree Billy B.Naraht (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

GA Feedback

I would like to bring Trixie Mattel to GA class. I think since she's one of the biggest drag queens from Drag Race that's basically independent from the platform, she deserves a GA level article.. how may I upgrade her article quality to GA? Thank you. shanghai.^{talk to me} 11:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, may I get an update on this? I've been working at Mattel's article over the past few days, I rewrote a lot of the grammar & flow issues in her lead section and I also merged early life, personal life, and career into a bigger "Life and career" section (as Personal life only consisted of two sentences.

I would like some feedback before I hack at the article further to take it to GA. Thanks! rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 05:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Have you read WP:GA?? It lays out the criteria you need. Probably best to work through that checklist, and the instructions at WP:GANI, and then nominate it--I think you'll get better feedback from people who aren't close to the source material, so they can evaluate it objectively. Daundelin ❁ 16:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Belgium

.. and another!

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/04/29/drag-race-belgique-belgium/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:31, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Judge Jiggly Caliente

https://worldofwonder.net/jiggly-caliente-ru-vealed-shes-the-first-drag-race-philippines-judge-at-rupauls-dragcon/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I've made sure Jiggly is mentioned in the Judges section of Template:RuPaul's Drag Race and added the RPDR template, category, and talk page banner to Paolo Ballesteros, too. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I haven't see anything indicating that Paolo had been selected, only that fans wanted him. What is the reference? (And if so, something should be added to the text for him)Naraht (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure. I've gone ahead and removed Paolo Ballesteros from the RPDR template. I've also removed the RPDR category, navbox, and talk page banner for now. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:45, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Drag Race España Queen articles in spanish

Drag Race España season 1. In addition to Carmen Farala and Pupi Poisson , the Spanish wikipedia has es:Killer Queen (drag queen), one of the runners-up. (Apparently the term "Drag Queen" is used directly in Spanish). Article looks OK, (17 references) we've made stub articles out of far less. :)
Drag Race España season 2. We don't have any of the queens with articles, even the winner Sharonne. the spanish wikipedia has es:Sharonne and the sixth place finisher es:Drag Sethlas. Both of the articles about these two queens have 13 references. And Sharonne has had TV gigs for 25 years!

Naraht (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I would like to see stubs here at English Wikipedia as well. Not sure if there's a place for requesting translation from Spanish to English?, otherwise we might just need to create new stubs in English from scratch. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: Pinging just in case this request interests you, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Stub for Drag Sethlas, with link to Spanish Wikipedia entry ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Stub for Sharonne, with link to Spanish Wikipedia entry ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Stub for Killer Queen (drag queen), with link to Spanish Wikipedia entry ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Canada's Drag Race: Canada vs. the World

Canada's Drag Race: Canada vs. the World has been announced! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

RPDR Canada: Season 3 is up on the French Wikipedia

fr:Saison_3_de_Canada's_Drag_Race is up. Three sources, two reasonable in English plus https://rupaulsdragrace.fandom.com/ which is editable so can't be used as a reference. (But I do check on it to see if wikipedia has missed something. :) )Naraht (talk) 18:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

https://ew.com/tv/canadas-drag-race-season-3-cast-meet-the-queens/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

--Another Believer _(Talk) 18:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

"Dead" participants

I've noticed that many RPDR participants are labeled as dead on the WikiProject Biography even though the subjects are alive. These instances should be corrected and for future uses, they should be avoided. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Interesting. I wonder if its editors copying over the WikiProject banner shell and just not noticing it? --Kbabej (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Maybe Rater uses living=no by default? I'll try to be better about checking this parameter when using the tool. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

How many are actually dead, two?Naraht (talk) 23:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm only aware of two, those being Chi Chi DeVayne and Sahara Davenport. --Kbabej (talk) 23:19, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Same, I'm not aware of others. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Starter list

I had a chance to do the following search... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2Fliving%3Dno%2F+insource%3A%2Fject+RuPaul%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 (looing for those with both "living=no" and "ject RuPaul" ) The list includes the talk page for 95 articles. I've started fixing them with AutoWikiBrowser. I hope to finish tonight.Naraht (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Tbhotch Please take a look, I think I've fixed them all.Naraht (talk) 02:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Vivian Vanderpuss

Given that both she and Irma Gerd were both on Canada's a Drag and are now on RPDR Canada season 3, I think that Vivian should have a page just like Irma Gerd.Naraht (talk) 10:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Naraht I've created a stub at Vivian Vanderpuss, which might be redirected if not expanded further. Perhaps you have a few claims in mind to add? --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.cbc.ca/arts/follow-these-queer-canadian-artists-to-add-a-little-extra-fire-emoji-to-your-instagram-feed-1.4763176

Expanding the article would be better than trying to figure out whether she should be redirected to RPDR C3 or to CAD the way that she was... I'll see what I can find.Naraht (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

total episodes.

Should the total episodes number be filled in before the end of the season? Seems like it gets bumped up when there is a new episode, but it really doesn't mean what is meant there until the end...

Is there any case where a season has gotten a reference for the total number of episodes in the season before the actual announcement of the Finale (or the Reunited followed by Finale)?

BTW # of queens at the end of the airing of episode 12 in each season.

N/A - Season 1 & 8 (both had finished)
1 - Season 2: 1
3 - Seasons 4, 5, 6, 7
4 - Seasons 3, 9, 10, 11 & 12 (for 12 including Sherry Pie, since hadn't been decided until after the airing)
5 - Season 13
8 - Season 14. Naraht (talk) 02:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC) (from a while ago, but me. :) )

Double Elimination placements

Should the queens eliminated in a Double Sashay (or in the case of Gottmik & Rosé [3rd]) share the same one place, or have a place where it's like 3rd/4th. I've been editing it like they share the same single place, but I just want to know what the general consensus is so I'm not making that many mistakes. Thanks! TatiVogue (talk) 14:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TatiVogue (talk • contribs)

I *think* this got thrashed out a few months ago (or at least the people who cared on one side gave up). The consensus has been that they get the higher place only. So in the case of season 6 where it was a split intro, both Kelly Mantle and Magnolia Crawford are ranked 13th only, not 13th/14th. This also occurs to Runners up like Cortney and Adore in the same episode, would simply be runners-up and then Darienne Lake is 4th. I think of this like the Olympics, if two people tie for 1st place, there are two listed as receiving Golds and then the next person gets a Bronze.Naraht (talk) 15:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Plastique Tiara

Should there be a page for Plastique? She placed relatively high on her season, and she is very significant in drag TikTok/TikTok in general. Let me know, because I want to make a draft for it. TatiVogue (talk) 19:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

And if Shuga Cain out of all people has their own page, Plastique deserves one. TatiVogue (talk) 19:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Not yet, at least per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plastique Tiara. Only if you can very clearly demonstrate sustained secondary coverage since this discussion should you consider recreating the entry. I am not saying this is not possible, I'm just warning the page will be redirected again unless you can expand significantly from this version of the article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@TatiVogue: Wikipedia is not about who "deserves" an article. The site has very strict sourcing requirements. Since you're a newer editor (welcome to Wikipedia!), you might start by improving existing articles instead of attempting to create new ones or recreated ones which the community have recently deemed unnecessary at this time. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:48, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@TatiVogue:, @Another Believer: I found the following which *may* be enough to make recreation work. https://www.vogue.com/article/plastique-tiara-tiktoks-favorite-drag-queen Long interview with Vogue including both time on RPDR *and* what she has done on TikTok afterwards. It is *specifically* about her, not in passing. Another believer, could you take a look?Naraht (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm actually in favor of having a Wikipedia article for Plastique Tiara. I voted to keep in the AfD. Others may need convincing... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Start with Onel5969 who proposed the deletion, I guess. (Onel5959, see vogue article above.)Naraht (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Nope - interviews do not go to notability, being primary sources. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Point. Oddly (and not Yvie Oddly. :) ) enough the other large article I've found on her from a RS is also an interview. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/rupauls-drag-race-star-plastique-tiara-talks-new-generation-drag-1193159/ . Other possible addition is https://www.out.com/drag/2020/9/22/drag-races-plastique-tiara-has-joined-onlyfans-too . Naraht (talk) 13:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Maddy Morphosis

Attempting to resurrect the Maddy Morphosis entry. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I see "he/him/his" is used throughout the article. Maddy is a drag persona. Most Wikipedia entries about drag queens use "she/her" when covering the drag persona... should this article be any different only because the subject is straight? I think not... Also, I'm struggling to find the subject's birth name, otherwise I'd update the article appropriately (including pronouns). Help!? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it should be she/her, because being straight has nothing to do with it. Maddy is a straight cisgender male, and majority of the contestants are gay cisgender males, so the same pronouns should be used for consistency. TatiVogue (talk) 17:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Right, sexual orientation is irrelevant. Like other drag queen bios, we should generally be using he/him/his when referring to male subjects out of drag and she/her when referring to the female drag persona. I think this should become an easier task once we find the subject's legal name... a bit confusing to say "She is the first straight male contestant" ... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:16, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Maddy uses she/her in drag so I think you should use he/him when referring to things that have nothing to do with drag (for example where he was born & where he lives), but she/her when referring to his drag career and drag race. TatiVogue (talk) 19:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Precisely, but this is hard to accomplish when we don't have a boy name to use. Someone holler if you locate, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

For now, I've replaced some pronouns with "Maddy Morphosis". More work is probably needed here, but I think this is the best we can do until we have more differentiation between the subject in and out of drag. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

OK. TatiVogue (talk) 19:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think Morphosis should ever be used alone here. It isn't a Last Name....Naraht (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Right. I tried adding "Maddy" wherever just "Morphosis" was used, for this reason. If I missed any, feel free to update appropriately! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:05, 26 April 2022 (UTC)