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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

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  1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
    1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
    2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
    3. Have at least 4 participants.
  2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
    1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
    2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
  3. For proposed additions from August 2024 onwards, the nominator should list (and possibly link to) at least one potential section in the level 5 vital articles list for the article to be added to. Supporters can also help in this regard.

For reference, the following times apply for today:

  • 15 days ago is: 05:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • 7 days ago is: 05:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The following link represent all current Level 5 Vital articles that are classified as Society subjects:

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Arts
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Everyday life
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Everyday life/Sports, games and recreation
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Philosophy and religion
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies

Add Histoire de Melody Nelson

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Usually held to be the magnum opus for Serge Gainsbourg  4. Other than Trans Europa Express (which has an English version) and the Miles Davis albums (which are instrumentals), all of the albums listed are in English. Of all the non-English albums we have articles for, this is probably the most vital.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Caravan (Juan Tizol and Duke Ellington song) and Stardust (1927 song)

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These two song are stated in the intro of jazz standard to be one of the most covered songs of all time. Admittedly, the “Stardust” article does a much better job explaining its vitality than “Caravan”’s article.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add An Essay on the Principle of Population

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Thomas Malthus's magnum opus, continues to shape economic theory and social policy; from the decay of the English Poor Laws, to the works and ideas of important philosophers and economists, such as David Ricardo  4 and Adam Smith  3. His ideas, Malthusianism  5, that come from the book, explore the relationship between population growth and resources, has influenced debates on birth control, income distribution, and sustainable development. Malthus's insights remain relevant today, informing discussions on global challenges like climate change and poverty alleviation. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. V5 importance, although overlap with V5 Malthusianism is significant. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Rechtsstaat

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The Rechtsstaat, originating in German Jurisprudence  4, embodies principles of legal certainty, equality before the law, and protection of individual rights. This principle depends on the Separation of powers  4, ensuring Judicial independence  5 and impartiality. It emphasizes the rule of law as a safeguard against arbitrary government actions, ensuring that legal processes are transparent, predictable, and fair. The doctrine has influenced constitutionalism and legal theory globally, contributing to the development of democratic governance and the protection of human rights in diverse countries

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 14:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lebensraum

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Lebensraum, a geopolitical concept coined by Friedrich Ratzel, that posits that territories are living organisms and, as so, need to expand in order to provide for their population. This idea was notably adopted and distorted by the Nazi Party during World War II to justify their aggressive expansionist policies. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime used the concept of Lebensraum to justify their invasions and annexations of neighboring territories, particularly in Eastern Europe, under the pretext of securing land for the German people. This expansionist ideology was a key component of Nazi propaganda and played a significant role in shaping the course of World War II. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Social organization

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"Collectivism" redirects here. I think collectivism should be listed at the same level as Individualism  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Personal development

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A process that everyone goes through. Or is it too vague as a concept?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Public good (economics)

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There are three types of goods in economics, private goods, common goods and public goods. Public goods are of the interest of the state and are specially important in welfare states. They are also widely studied in the field of economics because they have a grand influence in the policies of a state; one must decide whether to allocate resources toward public goods provision through taxation and government spending or to leave their provision to the private sector, considering factors such as efficiency, equity, and the role of government in promoting societal welfare. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Since the other 2 are not listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Two wrongs don't make a right, plus public goods are the most immportant of them all. The Blue Rider 19:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Fraktur  5 with Blackletter

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Fraktur is just one type of Blackletter typefaces. It is by far the most famous one, but the article also mentions that the term "Fraktur" is also used to refer to the entire Blackletter group of typefaces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Film additions

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Add Harakiri (1962 film)

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In the removal discussion for The Human Condition (film series), I noted that film/series seemed less vital than Harakiri, a film by the same director, which has a 100% ranking on Rotten Tomatoes and is the highest ranked film on Letterboxd. It's also in the TSPDT top 1000.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Fantasia (1940 film)  5

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5-0. Makkool (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Considered a landmark in animated film, and one that continues to have a long-lasting legacy.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. I mentioned in the now-archived thread to remove Wall-E that my top candidate for replacing it was Fantasia (1940 film) but it didn't get much traction. Hopefully, there is more support this time around. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Disney animated films I feel are slightly underrepresented considering their enduring worldwide popularity, and I'd consider this (alongside Pinocchio) more vital than Beauty and the Beast (1991 film)  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Absolutely. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nanook of the North

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Hugely influential on the documentary film as a format, "It was the first feature-length documentary to achieve commercial success, proving the financial viability of the genre and inspiring many films to come".

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Proved that documentaries could make money and was among the first films chosen for preservation by Congress. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 17:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm apt to oppose films that people who aren't extreme cinephiles typically haven't heard of. Also, I feel like, in general, it requires a much higher standard of notability to include documentaries on this list as documentaries are much less influential in the cultural zeitgeist than regular movies. If we are really looking to add another documentary, I would rather add Bowling for Columbine which has much more of a cultural legacy, is way more well-known, has won more awards (though this is less impressive when compared to a movie from 1922), and is regularly considered one of the greatest documentaries of all time. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support adding Bowling for Columbine as well. Iostn (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Rome, Open City

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"Open City is considered one of the most important and representative works of Italian neorealism  5, and an important stepping stone for Italian filmmaking as a whole."

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Subtopic of Bicycle Thieves. Interstellarity (talk) 17:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We already have a better, much more famous representative for Italian neorealism with Bicycle Thieves  4. We probably don't need 2. And even with the expanded quota, our film section is so small that we should probably only be listing unambiguous classics or widely-known films. It doesn't even have a Legacy section. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am explicitly proposing films because I think the section is disproprtionately small compared to video games (which is at ~100), when films have been around for much longer (1890s vs 1970s) and have built up much more cultural influence over time. Besides, Bicycle Thieves is listed a tier above this already. Iostn (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that films should have more representation especially when compared to video games (I have a track record of complaining about how many video game articles we have), I just don't think this is anywhere close to being one of the best candidates. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Get Out

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Maybe recent(ist), but this has already risen as one of the most highly-regarded films of the 21st century, and has had an impact on "conscious" trends in film in recent years.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap as discussed below. Interstellarity (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We're over quota in Level 5. While we are still adding broadly relevant concepts like Voting  5, I can't support adding one-off films like this one. starship.paint 13:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    VA5 is currently below quota, its only has 49,958 as of the latest update. Iostn (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But Arts is over-quota at 3,322/3,300. Currently specific films are at 199, and customarily we had at the number of vital films at 200. I would support your suggestions, if paired with films to swap. Makkool (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was actually personally in favour of a higher quota for films, given we had one of 105 for video games which is a much more recent medium and therefore one with less titles that are as culturally influential, but I can propose some other removals from Arts. Iostn (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Jumping into this quite late but I would support removing video games in favor of adding more movies. I think our massive list of video game articles reflects the demographics of VA5 voters as opposed to all Wikipedia users whereas movies are a more global phenomenon. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Iostn:, I stand corrected, I did not know about the recent update. Still, I agree with Makkool. starship.paint 08:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Pather Panchali  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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One of the most important films in the history of Indian cinema, which is also the largest in the world in terms of number of films produced.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As far as I'm aware, we don't list a single Indian movie. We definitely should have one and this is probably the best candidate since Satyajit Ray  4 has been highly influential in global cinema. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is The Apu Trilogy  4 at least.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh completely missed that. As the most famous movie in that trilogy, I'll still support this proposal. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And there's Sholay  5 and Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge  5 too. Makkool (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Shrek  5

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PASSED
Added 5–0. Makkool (talk) 17:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arguably the biggest animated film of the 2000s, became a lasting cultural phenomenon and turned DreamWorks into one of the biggest animated film studios. Also note it being the first 21st century animated film in the National Film Registry.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very culturally influential, for better or worse.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Undoubtedly important. λ NegativeMP1 04:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. All of our Western animated films are from Disney or Pixar. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting just a few hours after the release date of Shrek 5 was announced. I think that may just help. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Koyaanisqatsi

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For the "art film" subsection, this is one of the most well-known non-narrative essay films of its kind, is highly-acclaimed and also went on to influence works such as Baraka (film). Also highly notable for its score by Philip Glass  4, from the music section; "The music has become so popular that the Philip Glass Ensemble has toured the world, playing the music for Koyaanisqatsi live in front of the movie screen".

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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Another one of the most influential science fiction films of all time.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Ring (film)

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Big landmark in the overseas influence of Japanese horror cinema, and can be considered a big part of the resurgence of Japanese pop cultural influence in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Emerging adulthood and early adulthood

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It’s a subtopic of young adulthood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Early childhood

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Important state of like between toddlerhood and middle childhood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Academic library and Research library

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We list public library, but these kind of libraries is just as important. Interstellarity (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Competition climbing

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Competition climbing is now a full Olympic sport and we have lots of BLPs that are Category:Competition climbers including other sub-articles for competition climbing. Bouldering  5 is one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is already VA5. Sport climbing  5 is another one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is also VA5. We should probably also have Speed climbing, the third discipline of competition climbing, at VA5 as well, but let us try to get competition climbing at VA5 first. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. (a necessary umbrella term) Makkool (talk) 11:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. The specific forms of climbing might be vital, but the concept, not sport, of competition climbing is not. The Blue Rider 11:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Competition climbing is similar to the Sport of athletics  3 (i.e. the sport of climbing). Competition climbing is not the "concept" of climbing competitions, it is the actual sport of climbing competitions; the original governing body for competition was the International Council for Competition Climbing [de]. Aszx5000 (talk) 09:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Public finance

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The management of government revenue, expenditures, and debt is a core area of government. Despite its name, this should squarely go into the State structure and administration section.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. In many large countries, public finance is almost half the economy. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add International Committee of the Red Cross

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A part of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement  3. The ICRC is a humanitarian organization with a significant impact to human rights globally and a three-time Nobel prize laureate. The oldest and most honored organization in the Red Cross.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Economic systems

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PASSED
All added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Economic system  5

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As an umbrella term for Market economy  5 (and possibly others).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Planned economy  5

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Historically used economic system in the socialist states. To be paired with Market economy  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mixed economy  5

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Blending of elements from planned and market economies. In use today in many parts of the world, like the Nordic model or China's socialist market economy.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Arguably every country can be classified as such. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Remove Achievement (video games)

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PASSED
Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, this is a pretty widespread video game subject, but its also fringe enough to fall on the lines of trivia. Is the idea of an achievement necessary to an encyclopedic definition of video games?

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove First-person (video games)  5

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NO CONSENSUS
Not removed 1-1. Makkool (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doesn't seem necessary when we list the more broad Virtual camera system  5.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose because of what Quicole said. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Red (Taylor Swift album)

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When I nominated 1989 for V5 status (which I withdrew after it got no responses after a week), I stated that if a Taylor Swift  4 album were to be added, it had to be either that one or Red. I think that nearly all subjects at Vital 4 should have at least one subtopic at Vital 5, and that includes Taylor. So I'll give nominating this one a shot.

Backstory aside, this album received equal or higher critical acclaim than 1989, and appeared on several "best albums of the 2010's" lists with higher average placements than 1989 (its also been considered one of the most important albums of the decade). Out of her original six albums, Red has the highest rating on Metacritic, and her 2021 re-recording of the album is her highest rated work overall (91/100). It's her highest placed album on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time at 99 (for context, 1989 was 383). It's also her first album with songs that reached #1 on charts and is believed to have inspired a generation of indie artists. I'd say this is right on the mark for a V5 album, maybe even more than 1989?

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 05:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 49p (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support for now; we don't list enough entries under "pop" relative to "rock" imo Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Too much classic rock bias on the list. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too recent. We lack many albums from female artist that have "greatest album of all time" status, like Hounds of Love. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, I'd support the addition of those as well if one were to make the proposals. λ NegativeMP1 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Mingrelians

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Ethnic group and language of the Caucuses, pop ~400,000

Support
  1. pbp 18:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. There are far larger ethnic groups that are unlisted, and Culture is already highly over quota. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Iostn. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  1. Could you explain more why you would consider it a vital article? We are over-quota in the Culture section, so I would support a swap instead of a straight add. Makassar people has the lowest view-count of all peoples we list, which could be one contender. Makkool (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Stargate

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The show that started the franchise was proposed by Piotrus a while back, but was unsuccessful. However, I think we should revisit adding the franchise. Not including this franchise on the list with many of the things we do list is a major oversight. Three shows in the franchise have an awards list separate from the main article, the franchise injected a billion dollars into the British Columbian economy (not every day a media franchise has a major economic impact), and we even have a separate article on the Stargate fandom! 34 interwikis with the first film having 46 and SG-1 having 48, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Television, WikiProject Media Franchises, and WikiProject Science Fiction.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Head of government

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Should be level 4 alongside head of state. Just as important as that article. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Semi-presidential republic

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Another common type of government, which divides the powers between the president, prime-minister and a cabinet. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Good proposal. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Indictment and Arraignment

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These two terms are important in the legal system. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add World Trade Center (2001–present) and/or One World Trade Center

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These seem to be better additions than my nomination for the plot of land. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too recent to assess their vitality in architecture. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Rescue

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To Social studies/Society, under Emergency service -3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. 3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 00:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think Search and rescue  5 covers this topic adequately, but I am open to be persuaded. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Search and rescue is normally for people that are missing thus the search; rescue is the parent topic. The Blue Rider 00:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Another batch of visual arts article removals

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Swap Hardstone carving  5 with Trompe-l'œil

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Replacing a minor form of art with another well known art concept.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Figure painting

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PASSED
Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Any painting depicting the human figure. Only four interwikis and low view count. Could this be too vague concept to be vital?

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove Sand art and play  5 or move to Everyday life

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WITHDRAWN
Withdrawn the proposal to remove, just decided to boldly move to Everyday life. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sand art and playing with sand are in the same article. Sand art is not vital, but making sand castles could be. Should we remove it or move under Play (activity)  3?

Support
  1. Support remove as nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal sand art is a tad niche but still somewhat widespread, plus the article including playing with sand I think it passes the threshold for vitality. The Blue Rider 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Add Ramones (album)

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Not only critically acclaimed, it’s also extremely influential to Punk rock  4.

Support
  1. 49p (talk) 06:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Illuminati

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One of, if not, THE most culturally significant Conspiracy theory  4 / Secret society  4 subtopic or example. Founded by Adam Weishaupt  5. Also has an entire article dedicated to it in popular culture.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 22:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose


Discuss

Add Habit

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We do these every day. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. Another one that has surprisingly not been added yet. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Educational institution

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The category of schools and libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Swap Boston Red Sox  5 with Los Angeles Dodgers

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When I first looked at the list of vital articles, I was surprised to see that the Red Sox were one of two MLB teams listed. Even I, a Red Sox fan, always thought the Dodgers and even the St. Louis Cardinals were more recognizable teams. Yeah, the Red Sox have the 2nd largest fan base in MLB, and that's probably why they're listed. They have more championships (9) than the Dodgers (7), but over half of them came before Warren G. Harding became president, whilst all of the Dodgers' titles have came since 1955. The Dodgers also have the slight edge in pageviews (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Los_Angeles_Dodgers%7CBoston_Red_Sox) and also come from a bigger city. I feel like most people today outside of New England mainly knew the Red Sox for a curse that's been dead for 20 years, and you won't see the Chicago Cubs listed for their longer lasting and more well known curse. The point is, despite their smaller fanbase (still the 3rd most in MLB), all signs point to the Dodgers being the more recognizable team, and the one that's more deserving of a listing.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose remove Red Sox, support add Dodgers. It's worth mentioning that I've proposed adding the Dodgers before [1] and so has @TonyTheTiger: [2] and both times it failed. I do believe we have room for the Dodgers since we have removed 8 other sports teams since the last time this was proposed. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose removal, support addition per Aurangzebra. Interstellarity (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Investment fund

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Common method of performing an Investment  4.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 23:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Literature adds

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Add Dresden Codex

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Most important of the four surviving Maya codeces and the most important piece of non-fiction for Mesoamerica. For a long time thought to be the oldest surviving book written in the Americas.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add First Folio

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"It is considered one of the most influential books ever published", the only reliable source for 20 of Shakespeare's plays. If we think there is too much representation for Shakespeare in the Arts section, I suggest we swap one of the individual sonnets with this.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Rodion Raskolnikov

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A famous fictional character, the protagonist of Crime and Punishment. Has more interwikis (23) than Elizabeth Bennet  5 (17), which we already list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Book of Common Prayer (1662)

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WITHDRAWN
Second thoughts about the need for this one Makkool (talk) 20:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The liturgical book used in Anglican/Episcopal church since 1662. The article stresses its importance in that it "has influenced the English language, with its use alongside the King James Version of the Bible contributing to an increase in literacy from the 16th to the 20th century".

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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Add Histoires ou contes du temps passé

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Better known in English as Mother Goose Tales. A fairy tale collection by Charles Perrault  4 that includes many famous stories like Cinderella and Little Red Riding Hood.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Volunteering

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This is a no-brainer. Every community has this. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Another easy one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Rag doll

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Another easy add. From the article: "They are one of the oldest children's toys in existence"'

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Revolutionary opera, or alternatively one of the operas included in that category

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Seems to me like Western bias is the only reason this hasn't already been identified as a VA, given the large influence in Chinese society. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier  5 for Bella ciao

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I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier may have been influential at the time but now seems largely forgotten, with low pageviews and it seems largely eclipsed by other famous US protest songs such as those of the civil rights movement. Bella ciao was popularized as an Itlian WW2 partisan song and remains popular and recognized all over the world to this day. Including the former over the latter seems like a case of US-centrism.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Arsenal F.C.  5 with Inter Milan

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Inter is another team that I'm surprised hasn't already been listed, and unlike the Dodgers, I don't think they've ever been nominated. They're currently second in Serie A titles, the only team to play in every Serie A season (although Juventus FC  5 would've joined them if it wasn't for a certain scandal), and third in Italy in terms of trophies won, only 3 trophies behind second placed AC Milan  5. They've also won 3 Champions Leagues, more than Juventus. It's also not a case of recency bias, as a lot of their success has come in the 20th century. Finally, they also get more pageviews on average than both Juventus and AC Milan [3]. In order to prevent the association football section from getting too overcrowded, I nominate Arsenal for removal, as they're the only team I think could possibly be removed at this point (except MAYBE FC Porto  5). Yes, they're third in England in terms of trophies won (also having 3 more trophies than Inter), and they're quite ahead of fourth placed Chelsea, but they're closer to Chelsea and Manchester City in terms of trophies won than they are to Liverpool F.C.  5 and Manchester United F.C.  5. They also have little success in Europe, only winning one major UEFA trophy (and that competition doesn't even exist anymore). Finally, this is more of a minor gripe as well, but of course, they also haven't won the Premier League in 20 years now.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support addition. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support addition Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support addition. Historical club with storied success in Italy and Europe. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Old MacDonald Had a Farm

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As mentioned in the Baby Shark VA by Makkool. One of the most iconic children's songs/nursery rhymes ever, recognized around the world, been around for over 300 years, and an easy add in a lacking department in terms of VAs.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's a necessary add, as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is currently our only traditional children's song Makkool (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Snake (video game genre)

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Everybody knows what the snake game is and everybody has played it too; it's been around forever and has always been iconic. It technically started with the arcade game Blockade (video game), and since then, it's seen hundreds of "remakes" and re-releases just about everywhere.

Support
  1. As nominator. Would also support Blockade if more people prefer that. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iconic. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The article doesn't necessarily do a good job of explaining why its important, but that's an issue that can be resolved. I feel like this game has more cultural consciousness than a lot of other games on this list. λ NegativeMP1 06:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Nonogram

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Also known as picross or paint by number, a common type of puzzle that hasn't been listed. If stuff like the Sliding puzzle  5 can be listed, then so can this.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Cryptogram

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Another common puzzle type (also a type of Cryptography  3) that's not been listed yet.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Note-taking

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Everyone knows what this is. Very common, been around forever, useful in many fields, notably education and journalism. An easy add.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vital for education at least Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Fanta

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We only list two specific soda brands, one at V4 and one at V5. While I get it might be harder to justify a specific soda brand for vitality over some more broad type of beverage, we can list more than two, and Fanta makes sense. It's existed for eighty years, has some historical significance related to its role as a World War II-era cooking ingredient, is the second most-popular soda brand in Africa, and in general is a globally popular drink; it's more popular in international markets than in the United States.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Would also support Dr. Pepper, Sprite and Mountain Dew. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Might also support Dr. Pepper or Sprite. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Would be good to add more than this. Sprite or Dr. Pepper would be good, and I might also support Mountain Dew. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Fanta, Dr. Pepper, Sprite, and maybe Mountain Dew. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. I wouldn't mind adding this, but I feel like Dr Pepper is a better choice. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How? It has half the interwikis as Fanta (it has even less than Sprite) and doesn't seem to have evidence suggesting wide-spread popularity (just because its sold in Australia or other places doesn't mean its popular there). Part of the reason I'm nominating Fanta is because of how its globally popular regardless of the region. If we chose to add a lot more sodas (e.g. 5 more) then sure, Dr Pepper would be fine, but Fanta and maybe even Sprite should come before it. λ NegativeMP1 17:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair. I actually almost said Sprite, but I switched to Dr Pepper at the last second. I was mostly going by pageviews (which DP destroys Sprite in, I know it isn't everything though [4]), and that DP is the best-selling soda in the US that's not Coke (again, Sprite is not only right behind, but the US isn't the only thing that matters). My opinion still stands on Fanta, and I would rather add Sprite. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JpTheNotSoSuperior: I’ve never seen Dr Pepper before and rarely hear of it. I’ve seen all the rest of the drinks mentioned above. starship.paint (RUN) 00:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Catharism

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A heretical Christian movement from medieval Europe. Pretty famous events in history, and I'm surprised that it's not added yet. I think this could be listed in History, but we have other historical religions like Manichaeism  4 listed in Religion and philosophy, so I think this could go there as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Red Bull

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Another glaring omission. The most iconic energy drink in the world, and the most valuable soft drink that's not Pepsi or Coke. Also known for its sports divisions (like RB Leipzig and the New York Red Bulls) and it's own music division, and it has an iconic slogan (Red Bull gives you wings). 56 interwikis and top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Prominent global brand Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above and connected to Red Bull Racing in Formula One as well. starship.paint (RUN) 00:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Important energy drink and sports brand. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Much more than just an energy drink. The Blue Rider 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Exchange (organized market)

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We currently list Stock exchange  4 and Futures exchange  5, but we lack the general concept. This could be added as an umbrella topic for the latter two.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Flow (psychology)

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We list Positive psychology  5, but not one of its most popular theories. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi  5, who introduced flow theory is also already V5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Another business and economics roundup, Part 2

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Add Saving

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Income that is set aside for future use, and is typically held for contingencies. At the macroeconomic level, the level of savings is largely equated with Investment  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic economic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Fiat money

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Currency that is not backed by a physical commodity, but is established as legal tender by the government. Basically, after the end of the Bretton Woods system  5, every national currency has worked this way.

Support
  1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Recession

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The decline in activity across the economy lasting more than a few periods, visible in changes in GDP, income, employment, and production.

Support
  1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ...What!? We missed this one? I also noticed we don't even list Economic depression, so there is not an exclusion-due-to-overlap excuse in that regard.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Foreign exchange reserves

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Assets held by a central bank in foreign currencies. Used to back liabilities and monetary policy, such as managing exchange rates. An important marker of a country's stability.

Support
  1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Credit rating

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Creditworthiness of a borrower, typically a government or corporation. Issued by credit rating agencies, (The "Big Three") which are quite powerful in their own right.

Support
  1. As nominator. To banking and financing. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Tata Group

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Founded by Jamshedji Tata  4, it is India’s largest business conglomerate and was the fourth-largest private employer in the world in 2022.

Support
  1. As nominator. To companies. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap: Add Supreme People's Court, remove Supreme Court of Canada  5

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Canada is currently the smallest country by either population or GDP for which we list its highest court. In contrast, China ranks #2 in both respects.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Mansion

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A type of house for rich people. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Award and Trophy

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Two basic concepts that don't need further explanation. Possibly put these under Accessories in Everyday life? If you have a better suggestion let me know.

Support
  1. Both as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Team

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Everyday concept. Typically related to organizational work.

Support
  1. As nominator. To management.Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Maybe a little dicdef, but a basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Chief executive officer

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Also known as CEO, a basic business concept that hasn't been added yet. Could possibly be V4? Should be added to Business, either General or Business types.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Probably not V4, given we don't even list Corporate title, although we probably need to add that (I don't know if there's another article that is vital that encompasses this). 49p (talk) 05:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Gym

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Everyday facility. Common across the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. To sports basics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic add. Also important in education. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 02:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Camel (cigarette)

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As proposed by The Blue Rider in the Marlboro proposal. A well known cigarette brand that is still widely recognized today. I personally feel like it's not the strongest add, but I think it's recognized enough that people will advocate for this (plus, it gave us Joe Camel). Also Top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. Weak support as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Cigarettes in general are in decline, and this is not the strongest brand. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Frito-Lay

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Well known manufacturer of several iconic chip brands, especially in the United States, most notably Lay's, Doritos, and Cheetos (sidenote: I think all three of those could be VAs). Yes, it's technically already covered by PepsiCo  5, but so is KFC  5, so I think this could suffice.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Maker of some of the most iconic potato chip brands in the world. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A bit US-centric, I'm afraid. Potato chip  5 is only V5 so I'm not convinced we need to list the largest maker of them. And yes, it's covered by PepsiCo  5 in a way that KFC  5 is not, because Yum! Brands is not vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Changing vote to oppose, per feminist. We are over-quota in Politics and economy, and lack vital companies in other industries. Makkool (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Would rather add one or two of the individual brands Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Mars Inc.

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The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Collingwood in for Carlton

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In the Australian rules football section of the Sports teams and clubs, Collingwood after their premiership last year (2023) has the equal most premierships (with Carlton and Essendon), the clear outright most grand final appearances, and the largest supporter base, making them the most valuable brand in the AFL. If there is only to be one team listed, it should be Collingwood. HoleyFrijoles (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discuss

Add Cruelty to animals

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More properly known as animal abuse. This has become increasingly recognized and condemned throughout the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Social studies --> Society ---> Issues. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Humanitarian aid

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Assistance provided to groups of people in distress, typically in response to emergencies or disasters.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Social studies --> Society ---> Issues. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Santos FC, remove Paris Saint-Germain

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I just noticed that @AirshipJungleman29: added in Santos FC and removed Paris Saint-Germain on April 5 without a vote. I'm going to revert these changes but presenting them here in case people are interested. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Oppose removing PSG, neutral on adding Santos. As mentioned in my PSG proposal, they do suffer a little from recency bias, but they're still the most successful French club, and they still have plenty of success prior to their 2011 takeover. As for Santos, I'd like to add a Brazilian club, but I'm not sure whether they or CR Flamengo are more successful, so somebody who knows Brazilian football/soccer better than I do should weigh in on this. One of those two should definitely be added though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove some modern non-fiction books

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Remove The Death and Life of Great American Cities  5

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. One of most influential American non-fiction books. Cross-cultural appeal isn't required for every vital book. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Makkool. Seminal text in urban planning and extremely influential in academic circles. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Mythology (book)  5

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I am not convinced that this is a vital book. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Has an enduring reputation as a classic introductory text book. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: citation needed. starship.paint (RUN) 01:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just going by what reads on the article. It's also part of The Greatest Books website's listing. Makkool (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    825th greatest book of all time? Not very convincing. starship.paint (RUN) 12:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Orthodoxy (book)  5

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A classic of Christian apologetics Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove A Study of History  5

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Support
  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. One of most influential history non-fiction books. Enduring reputation isn't required for every vital book, it's enough to have an impact on the time of publication. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Dogs with jobs

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Add Police dog

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Also known as K-9, police dogs have a long history of serving law enforcement agencies around the world. They’ve been portrayed in countless movies and TV shows, and their historical contributions, like their role in World War II, are important. They continue to play a crucial role in public safety and are an essential part of modern law enforcement. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Absolutely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Sled dog

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Easily one of the most cultural influential trained dogs, every child dreams of being pushed by sled dogs. Also important for many circumpolar peoples, such as Inuit  4, for the Arctic exploration  5, Klondike Gold Rush  5, etc. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Guide dog

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Dogs that help people with Visual impairment  4; widespread with a considerable societal influence, vital. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap YuYu Hakusho  5 with Hunter x Hunter

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Both manga series are by Yoshihiro Togashi. Hunter × Hunter receives more daily page views on Wikipedia than YuYu Hakusho (3901 vs 959 on average). Hunter × Hunter has sold more volumes than YuYu Hakusho (84 million vs. 78 million). Hunter × Hunter has received more critical praise than YuYu Hakusho, especially the Hunter × Hunter 2011 anime series. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. As nominator. Wzrd517 (talk) 02:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Add First-past-the-post voting

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Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sadly common still, and a contentious political topic in many different countries Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Party-list proportional representation

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Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support

As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose
  1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Who Framed Roger Rabbit

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Used to be listed, but was removed without discussion. Iconic blockbuster film, famed for its groundbreaking special effects, and a catalyst for the Disney Renaissance  5. I think it's more important than e.g. Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)  5.

Goes under WP:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Animation.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I was about to list this a while back but saw it was apparently removed. Surprising, I did not know it was without consensus. Easily one of the most important film in the golden age of American animation. 49p (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The golden age of animation was in the earlyish-to-mid 1900s (chiefly 1930s and 1940s) when huge technical advances were made, Roger Rabbit came decades after that (but was set during the era). (As an aside, the WP:COMMONNAME as far as I've seen really is without the "American" part, Wikipedia doesn't specify "European Renaissance" either.)--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I meant one of the most important films of modern animation, not golden age (while it's set in it), my bad. More accurately, I would say it came out at the end of the "dark age" era but paved the way for the modern era. Either way, the film's influence can't really be understated. 49p (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. If it was removed without discussion, we should add it back and this should be a deletion proposal on behalf of the remover assuming good faith. Aurangzebra (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, it happened years ago in VA5's WP:BRD era.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Berserk (manga)

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Berserk is one of the most influential works in the dark fantasy genre and has influenced a large number of works in a variety of media. It is one of the best-selling manga and has been critically praised. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. As nominator. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This is the next work in the animanga sphere I thought to nominate if The Rose of Versailles failed to be added.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discuss

Add Do it yourself

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A common method many individuals take. Not sure if this is already covered with another topic, but I saw this wasn't listed and decided to put it up.

Support
  1. Not sure where to specifically put it but it should go somewhere in Arts 49p (talk) 03:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Big Mac

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One of the world's most globally-available branded products and an icon of capitalism. Place under Hamburger  4 in the Everyday life section.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. One of the word's most recognisiable brands and has been for decades. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The most well-known food from a restaurant ever. Now is Whopper too obscure to be added? We don't list Burger King so I'm afraid the answer is yes. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Ice climbing

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We have Mountaineering  4 and Rock climbing  4 at level 4 and the sub-branches of Sport climbing  5 and Bouldering  5 at level 5. I think that Ice climbing is also a level 5 (and has its own sub-branches of Mixed climbing and Dry-tooling). Ice climbing appears on 31 different Wikipedia platforms which is also another rough proxy to its vitality imho. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely, since all those other types of climbing are already listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove List of rice dishes  5

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A long and detailed list, but I don't think we really need it as a vital article, as Cooked rice  5 is already listed separately, and that article also contains a list of rice dishes.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 08:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. There are very few actually vital lists, and this is not one of them. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Trespass to land  5 and Trespass to chattels  5

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Maybe this is sufficiently covered by Trespass  5? Very few page views and interwikis.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. both per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Fate/stay night

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We don't have any representation for Visual novel  5 games on this list, which are a popular video game genre. And this game makes the most sense to add for representation purposes, as according to its article, its the most impactful visual novel game and has spawned a successful media franchise. It's also been brought up in the past, but simply not proposed until now. Would go under "Japanese products" in the Video games section.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 02:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Thought about nominating this myself (but intended to wait first for the proposals for Who framed Roger Rabbit and Berserk pass as I personally think those are of slightly higher priority, and with a swap against Breath of the Wild). Not even a fan but this would be the most prominent VN by most reasonable measures - overall the most-viewed in Category:Visual novels, used to have the highest "popularity" rating on vndb.org (before the site got rid of the stat), spawned a multi-billion franchise. Plus, it's an actual visual novel, unlike other important titles like Ace Attorney and YU-NO which are better categorised as adventure games (that genre being already well-represented).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Assisted living and Independent living

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Maybe place under Disability in issues, plenty of people are in these living situations. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add transport companies

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Add Mediterranean Shipping Company

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The world's largest container shipping company. Not so well-known, but I'm still thinking it's vital enough to include. Currently we don't list any naval transport companies.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add FedEx  5

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PASSED
Swapped FedEx Express with this 6-0. Makkool (talk) 15:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

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Very important transportation company. We already list UPS, and there's no question that FedEx is as vital as they are.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, especially considering we have FedEx Express listed and not this. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Support a swap with FedEx Express. We list quite a lot airlines. Makkool (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Should we swap this with Express or no? Either way, per nom 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Swap with FedEx Express. Interstellarity (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Swap with FedEx Express. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add DHL Group

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Third largest courier company after UPS and FedEx. Should be listed as well to represent Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Royal Mail and Post Office Limited

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Major postal companies in the UK. Since this is the English Wikipedia, listing UK companies seems sensible.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Royal Mail Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Royal Mail only Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We should list Post office first. And even then, I think these two are too niche, even by British (let alone European) standards. Among British companies, something like Arm Holdings, or something from the FTSE 100, is much more unique/notable in the global context. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Venus of Urbino

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PASSED
Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Widely viewed as Titian's masterpiece and as one of the greatest nude paintings in Western art history.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Notable painting, per nom. 49p (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Constructive trust  5, Discretionary trust  5, Estate in land  5, and Future interest  5

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Lesser concepts in Property and Trust law. Some are too exclusive to the Anglo world. Very few pageviews and interwikis, and are covered by more general articles.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support all Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Strategy

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A major part of warfare and business management. Place under Politics and economics > War and military > Basics?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Cheondoism

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Influential as a New religious movement  3 in 19th and 20th century Korea, and one of the satellite parties in North Korea (of which only two exist) was created specifically to represent them. Maybe less influential today, but it still has tens of thousands of adherents in the South alone.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 16:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Planning

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A major process in daily life, business and government. Place under Thought  3 in Social studies?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Post office

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It's obviously vital or obvious reasons. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. notable omission. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arm Holdings

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Major CPU company in GB. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Toy soldier

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A classic toy, certainly should be considered vital. Covers both tin soldier and army men, which got recently removed.

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  1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Haaretz  5

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PASSED
Added 5-0. Makkool (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Israel's oldest newspaper (founded in 1918), Israel's newspaper of record, and it is considered the most influential and respected newspaper in Israel. It is also widely read by international observers. 41 interwikis, rated High-Importance by the Newspapers, Journalism, and Israel WikiProjects.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Deadwood (TV series)  5

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This show was very popular and won some awards. With that in mind, I'm not seeing how it is particularly influential. It received some really good reception, but it doesn't seem to have had a broad impact like other shows we list, and it only lasted two years. The page it is on is way over the quota, and I think this is one of the articles that can go.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Doo-wop

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This genre played a crucial role in shaping early rock and roll, as well as being one of the earliest pop styles of vocal harmony groups. Often sung by "one-hit wonder" artists, which is why we don't list many here, they made many of the most celebrated songs of that era.

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  1. As nominator. To popular music genres. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add I Want You Back

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The quintessential Motown recording, at least as much as I Heard It Through the Grapevine  5. It has sold six million copies and has been praised as one of the greatest songs of all time. It's also the debut single of the Jackson 5, and as such it is MJ's introduction to the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove General MIDI  5

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The standardized specification for MIDI  5 seems to be too in-depth and unnecessary compared to MIDI itself. What is covered about General MIDI is covered enough in the MIDI article.

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  1. 49p (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Too niche. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Istanbul University

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Turkey's premier university. Founded all the way back in 1453.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In general there's a lot of US bias under universities that needs addressing (I have thought abour proposing many removals there as the subsection is way over quota already) Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Post-structuralism

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Major philosophical movement. "Writers whose works are often characterised as post-structuralist include Roland Barthes  5, Jacques Derrida  4, Michel Foucault  4, Gilles Deleuze  5 and Jean Baudrillard  5."

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. How was this not already listed? Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Deconstruction

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An important philosophical theory, related to Tabu Makiadi's previous proposal.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Demolition

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A major part of Construction  3. Place under Construction in Business and economics (my first choice), or alternatively as a subtopic of Construction engineering  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Rework the 20th century specific musical works

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The section listing 20th century specific musical works is highly unrepresentative of 20th century western classical music. Of the 29 works listed, 16 were written before 1920 and only 4 after 1950, including Giazotto’s Adagio in G minor which is a musical scam (and could arguably be put in the Baroque section) and Karl Jenkins’ The Armed Man, which is of debatable historical importance. In addition, while atonality is a defining characteristic of a lot of classical music in this period, there is no atonal work on the list, including Cage’s 4’33’’ which doesn’t use any musical idiom. While the 20th century is full of very influent composers (59 level 5 articles), 4 composers (Debussy, Mahler, Rachmaninoff, Sibelius) have written 14 works on the list, which is almost half. While Debussy and Mahler are central figures of the evolution of musical language, Rachmaninoff and Sibelius (4 works on the list each), although important composers, shouldn’t be this overrepresented and account for a fourth of 20th century music. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest at least the following removals : The Armed Man, Csárdás (Monti), Finlandia, Symphony No. 2 (Rachmaninoff), Suite bergamasque, Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff), and at least the following additions : Pierrot lunaire, Music for 18 musicians, Violin Concerto (Berg), Le Marteau sans maître. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - excellent points, the list would benefit from these changes Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose removing Suite bergamasque  5 (contains the world-famous Clair de lune which doesn't have a separate article) and Finlandia  5 (Sibelius's by far most famous and culturally impactful work, I'd rather remove one of his two listed symphonies), support adding Pierrot lunaire.
While I agree avant-garde music may need more representation, your addition suggestions are mostly more obscure than removals, with Pierrot lunaire by Arnold Schoenberg  4 a notable exception, plus Music for 18 musicians and Violin Concerto (Berg) have weak vitality claims. Lulu (opera) seems a more promising 12-tone composition addition than the violin concerto by the same composer. If we're struggling to remove 20th century works, other eras can perhaps be trimmed instead (I already proposed removing a less important Beethoven piece below.). Additonally, a few people's works dominating may be just natural due to Pareto distribution, although the VA project's non-overlap principle can justify counteracting this.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Lollipop

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A common type of Candy  4. Place under Food types in Everyday life.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very common. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Turkish March (Beethoven)  5

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Not a major piece by the composer, ranked 41st in Category:Compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven by pageviews (counting from beginning of 2020). 9 interwikis, ~50-70 daily views, <30 watchers. Vitality claims amount to some arrangements and a lawsuit about a version used in El Chavo del Ocho  5.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Evangelism

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We added televangelism, but regular evangelism should be included as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I assumed this was already listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Course (food)

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A class of dishes served as part of a meal. Includes Entrée  5, Main course  5, Side dish  5 and Dessert  4. Rated High-importance in Wikiproject Food and drink.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Model (person)

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Includes fashion models, art models, and promotional models.

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  1. As nom. To visual arts concepts. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Take Me Home, Country Roads

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I don't think it's controversial to say that this is likely the most well known country song to ever exist. It has more interwikis than any country song at V5 (27) and is seemingly the most popular American song in some Asian countries like China. Keep in mind that country music's appeal outside of the United States is very limited, so this level of international recognition is quite impressive. I think this is an easy add.

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  1. As nom. Add to the Country music section if successful (though I think that goes without saying). λ NegativeMP1 20:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per West Virginia Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Apprentice (American TV series)  5

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Of the 264 TV series listed the US has 170, despite being long running and sucsessufl in its time the series has somewhat faded in obscurity. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Some squares

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A Town square  5 is commonly one of the most, if not the most, visited places in a given city. Many public squares are culturally significant. We do list Red Square  5 but I'm not sure if we list anything else.

Add Tiananmen Square

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Tiananmen Square in Beijing  3 is where Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China and is home to the National Museum of China  4. Globally, it is perhaps best known for the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Although its most well-known for 1989 in the West, its significance to modern Chinese history goes back way before that Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Alexanderplatz

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Alexanderplatz is reputedly the most visited area of Berlin  4 and one of the city's major commercial areas.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tahrir Square

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Famous for the 2011 Egyptian revolution  5. Note that Cairo  3 is at level 3.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Taksim Square (not OP)

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Another famous square, major tourist attraction in Istanbul. Also known for protests back in 2013.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap National Pro Fastpitch  5 with Women's Professional Fastpitch

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I came across that the US professional women's softball league has changed organizations recently. I feel we should swap this with the new league, even though it was founded only two years ago. I don't think keeping the old one is necessary, even for history's sake. There could be grounds for removal as well, because we are over-quota in this section, so I'll open that up also for discussion.

Support swap
  1. as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose swap
Support remove
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Remove Britannia  5

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Arts is over-quota, and we are listing currently two personifications for Great Britain. I suggest we remove Britannia and keep John Bull  5 instead, as I believe it's more iconic and relevant. Compare him to Uncle Sam.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Has a very long history and remains commonly used to the present day, unlike John Bull which was only popular until the time of the First World War. If we had to remove one of two, I would prefer removing John Bull instead. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Think tank

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Outside of the U.S., these are better known as policy institutes. They are an important bridge between academic research and policymaking. Some of the most prominent ones are the Brookings Institution, Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, RAND Corporation, and Chatham House, among others.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Chanson

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French popular music genre encompassing around a thousand years.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Erotica

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An art classification, and an important expression of Human sexuality  2.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Time management and Procrastination

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Two common "meta" activities conducted by most people. Maybe place under Productivity  4 in Business?

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Daughters of the American Revolution  5

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Maybe not niche, but not enough of an impact to be listed. Excluding political parties, 12 of the 21 National Organizations we list are from the U.S.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Long Now Foundation  5

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It seems involved in somewhat arcane, futuristic projects. The last ones listed here are from the early 2010s, so it seems this organization has petered out ever since.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove ALBA  5

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This Venezuela-led organization was supposed to be an alternative to Mercosur, but it is almost defunct nowadays. Note that most member nations are very small.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nun

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A woman who vows to dedicate her life to religious service and contemplation, often through a religious order. Note that the term is not exclusive to Christianity and is not merely analogous to Monk  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Religion and Spiriturality --- Practices Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)~[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Gender binary

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Since the article was recently brought to my attention by having to revert some nonsense on there yesterday, this is a common societal concept. Add to Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies#Social_status

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 18:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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