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Today's featured article for November 4, 2024
Exit 2 of Marina Bay station Marina Bay MRT station is a Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) interchange station on the North South (NSL), Circle (CCL) and Thomson–East Coast (TEL) lines in Singapore. Located in the Downtown Core district near Marina Bay, it serves the Marina One Residences, Marina Bay Suites and the Marina Bay Financial Centre. It was one of the last stations to be completed in the early phases of the MRT network, opening on 4 November 1989. The station was the terminus of the NSL until the line's extension in 2014. It became an interchange station with the CCL when the two-station branch extension from Promenade station was completed in January 2012. The TEL station platforms were completed in November 2022, becoming a triple-line interchange on the MRT network. The station features art as part of the MRT network's Art-in-Transit programme. The sculpture Flowers in Blossom II is over the CCL mezzanine. The CCL platforms feature photographs by Nah Yong En and the TEL station features murals by Tang Ling Nah. (Full article...) Recently featured: 1964 Illinois House of Representatives election Daniel Boone William de Ros, 6th Baron Ros Archive By email More featured articles About view – talk – edit – history – watch
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Iranian radical is a lable. They known as Muslim student followers of the Imam's line. It proposed using this title.--Sa.vakilian 11:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The link has been added. Thanks for the suggestion. --PFHLai 16:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend adding link to Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin since the event itself is what happened on Nov. 4. Kelvinc 00:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The link has been added. Thanks for the suggestion. --PFHLai 16:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Howard Carter and King Tut's tomb? For next year, I guess... — E ditor at Large ^(speak) 14:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. The discovery of KV62 is scheduled to be featured on November 26, the anniversary of their entering the tomb, when Carter made the famous "tiny breach in the top left hand corner" of the doorway. Please see Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/November 26. --PFHLai 16:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps should say Iranian students supporting the Iranian Revolution or the revolutionary government. Right now it sounds pejorative, like as to say "Bush regime." 67.194.202.113 (talk) 03:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Today is National Unity Day and Armed Forced Day in Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_in_Italy

Celebrating victory over Austria-Hungary, on November 4th 1918. This definitely deserves a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fertuno (talk • contribs) 13:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please create the National Unity and Armed Forces Day article first, or add a section to a currently existing article that specifically mentions this holiday. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obama election

Barack Obama was elected the United States' first African-American President in 2008 on this day. Is this appropriate? - Talk to you later, Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 21:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes

Deleted: Dell (not notable enough to appear)
Moved to Ineligible: Chloroform (maintenance)
Omitted: Menelik II; Sturmabteilung; Kasakela Chimpanzee Community; 1966 Flood of the Arno River; Genie (feral child)
Included: Battle of Johnsonville (first appearance); City and South London Railway (6th appearance, last in 2010); USS Nevada (BB-36) (first appearance); Altare della Patria (first appearance); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (2nd appearance, last in 2008)

—howcheng {chat} 07:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Menelik II (maintenance)
Omitted: Battle of Johnsonville; USS Nevada (BB-36); Altare della Patria
Included: Sturmabteilung (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Kasakela Chimpanzee Community (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Barack Obama (first appearance)
Repeats: City and South London Railway (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 03:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Day of Ashura 2014

@Howcheng: Although Ashura is always on the same day of the Islamic calendar, the date on the Gregorian calendar varies from year to year, since the Gregorian calendar is a solar calendar and the Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar. This difference means Ashura moves in the Gregorian calendar approximately 11 days every year. The date of Ashura may also vary from country to country depending on whether the moon has been sighted or not. According to the calendar, this year Ashura coincides with November 4, in Iran, Pakistan, India, US and some other countries. Mhhossein (talk) 03:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Omitted: City and South London Railway; Sturmabteilung, Kasakela Chimpanzee Community; Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin; Barack Obama
Included: Chloroform (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Johnsonville (2nd appearance, last in 2012; 150th anniversary); Altare della Patria (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Salvador Allende (first appearance); Imelda Marcos (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 12:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Howcheng:: Any particular reason not to put Election Day (United States) up today? Just an idea... --Jayron32 10:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Historically, it's not something we've done. My one concern would be that if we add it for the US, we'd have to do it for most other countries as well. —howcheng {chat} 11:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And if we have good enough articles for all those other countries, why not? --Jayron32 04:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind, but I don't know when other countries have elections. —howcheng {chat} 16:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

Omitted: Battle of Johnsonville; Altare della Patria; Kasakela Chimpanzee Community; Salvador Allende; Imelda Marcos
Included: City and South London Railway (8th appearance, last in 2013); Sturmabteilung (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (4th appearance, last in 2013; 20th anniversary); Qantas Flight 32 (first appearance)
Repeats: Chloroform (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 11:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Omitted: City and South London Railway; Sturmabteilung; Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin; Qantas Flight 32
Included: Menelik II (2nd appearance, last in 2011); 1966 flood of the Arno (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 50th anniversary); Imelda Marcos (2nd appearance, last in 2014; 25th anniversary); Barack Obama (2nd appearance, last in 2013)
Repeats: Chloroform (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:24, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Altare della Patria (maintenance); Sturmabteilung (maintenance); Salvador Allende (maintenance); Iran hostage crisis (maintenance)
Omitted: Unity Day (Russia) (ineligible—maintenance); Menelik II (ineligible—maintenance); 1966 flood of the Arno (ineligible—maintenance); Imelda Marcos; Barack Obama
Included: City and South London Railway (9th appearance, last in 2015); Kasakela Chimpanzee Community (4th appearance, last in 2014); Genie (feral child) (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (5th appearance, last in 2015); Felix Mendelssohn (first appearance); Carlos Castillo Armas (2nd appearance, last in 2017; also appeared on July 7); Matthew McConaughey (first appearance)
Repeats: Chloroform (4th consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 01:35, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Imelda Marcos (maintenance)
New articles (ineligible): Ruhollah Khomeini's life in exile (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): St. Clair's Defeat
Omitted: Chloroform; Genie (feral child); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin; Felix Mendelssohn; Carlos Castillo Armas; Matthew McConaughey
Included: Rebellion of Túpac Amaru II (first appearance); Qantas Flight 32 (2nd appearance, last in 2015); Hu Zongxian (2nd appearance, last in 2017; previously appeared on November 25, his birthday); La Belle Otero (first appearance; 150th birthday); Shoghi Effendi (first appearance)
Repeats: City and South London Railway (2nd consecutive appearance, 10 total); Kasakela chimpanzee community (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:32, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for 2019

@Howcheng: I wonder if you nominate Ruhollah Khomeini's life in exile for 4 November due to Khomeini's exile to Turkey? Three was some issue but they were solved.It is the first time to nominate it for OTD while there is no issue in the article.Saff V. (talk) 06:42, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes

Deleted: Carlos Castillo Armas (already appears on July 7)
New articles (unused): Joseph Rotblat
Omitted: City and South London Railway; Kasakela chimpanzee community (ineligible—maintenance); Qantas Flight 32; Hu Zongxian; La Belle Otero; Shoghi Effendi
Included: St. Clair's defeat (4th appearance, last in 2010); USS Nevada (BB-36) (3rd appearance, last in 2014; also appeared on July 11); Ruhollah Khomeini's life in exile (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (6th appearance, last in 2017); John Paulet, 2nd Marquess of Winchester (first appearance); Shakuntala Devi (first appearance); Matthew McConaughey (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 50th birthday)
Repeats: Rebellion of Túpac Amaru II (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes

New articles (ineligible): Kathy Griffin
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Tomb of the Unknown Soldier (Italy)/Victor Emmanuel II Monument
Omitted: Flag of Panama; Rebellion of Túpac Amaru II; St. Clair's defeat; USS Nevada (BB-36); Ruhollah Khomeini's life in exile; John Paulet, 2nd Marquess of Winchester; Shakuntala Devi; Matthew McConaughey
Included: Chloroform (5th appearance, last in 2017); Battle of Johnsonville (3rd appearance, last in 2014); 1938 deportation of Jews from Slovakia (first appearance); Genie (feral child) (3rd appearance, last in 2017; 50th anniversary); Antoine Le Maistre (first appearance); Felix Mendelssohn (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Elsie MacGill (first appearance; 40th anniversary)
Repeats: Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total; 25th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 03:45, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes

Omitted: Chloroform; Battle of Johnsonville; 1938 deportation of Jews from Slovakia; Genie (feral child); Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin; Antoine Le Maistre; Felix Mendelssohn; Elsie MacGill
Included: National Unity and Armed Forces Day (first appearance); Rebellion of Túpac Amaru II (3rd appearance, last in 2019); City and South London Railway (11th appearance, last in 2018); Tomb of the Unknown Soldier (Italy)/Victor Emmanuel II Monument (Tomb: first appearance; Monument: 3rd, last in 2014; 100th anniversary); Operation Pheasant (first appearance); Paris Agreement (first appearance); Mary, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange (first appearance); Dolly Stark (umpire) (first appearance); Tabu (actress) (first appearance; 50th birthday)

—howcheng {chat} 07:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]