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2012 notes

Omitted: Puerto Rico; Jay Treaty; Gettysburg Address; Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran; Haditha killings
Included: University of Warsaw (3rd appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible); Operation Uranus (6th appearance, last in 2010); Pelé (8th appearance, last in 2010); Geneva Summit (1985) (first appearance); Pike River Mine disaster (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 07:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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is 1816 – The University of Warsaw, currently the largest university in Poland, was established as The Royal University of Warsaw after Warsaw was separated from Kraków, the oldest and most influential Polish academic centre.
should be corrected to 1816 – The University of Warsaw, currently the largest university in Poland, was established as Congress Poland found itself a territory without any university.
because Actually Kraków became a part of Habsburg Austria already in 1795. The immediate reason was the separation from University of Vilnius, as in 1815 Warsaw became a part of autonomous Congress Poland, and Vilnius did not. The historical name of university is unsourced and looks dubious, so I wouldn't include that.
That article was corrected to include the details.

Kubanczyk (talk) 15:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 20:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

World Toilet Day

World Toilet Day was excluded from the top line, where it should be next to the International Mens' Day and Independence Day in Mali. Is this because the Wikipedia article coverage is quite poor? JamesA ^>talk 12:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1) I didn't know about it; 2) You are correct, it would be excluded for article quality issues. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 17:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Puerto Rico (maintenance)
Omitted: University of Warsaw; Operation Uranus; Pelé; Geneva Summit (1985)
Included: Jay Treaty (4th appearance, last in 2011); Gettysburg Address (9th appearance, last in 2011; 150th anniversary); Janowska concentration camp (first appearance; 70th anniversary); TAP Portugal Flight 425 (first appearance)
Repeats: Pike River Mine disaster (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:11, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Omitted: Jay Treaty; Gettysburg Address; Janowska concentration camp; TAP Portugal Flight 425; Pike River Mine disaster
Included: Puerto Rico (9th appearance, last in 2011; rescued from Ineligible); University of Warsaw (4th appearance, last in 2012); Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran (3rd appearance, last in 2011); Pelé (9th appearance, last in 2012); National Lottery (United Kingdom) (first appearance; 20th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 07:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

New articles (unused): Washington Dulles International Airport
Omitted: Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran; Pelé; National Lottery (United Kingdom and the Isle of Man)
Included: Operation Uranus (7th appearance, last in 2012); Geneva Summit (1985) (2nd appearance, last in 2012; 30th anniversary); Haditha killings (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 10th anniversary)
Repeats: Puerto Rico (2nd consecutive appearance, 10 total); University of Warsaw (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:10, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Moved to Ineligible: National Lottery (United Kingdom and the Isle of Man) (maintenance)
Omitted: Puerto Rico; Operation Uranus; Geneva Summit (1985); Haditha killings
Included: Gettysburg Address (10th appearance, last in 2013); Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran (4th appearance, last in 2014; 75th anniversary); Pelé (10th appearance, last in 2014); 2013 Iranian embassy bombing (first appearance)
Repeats: University of Warsaw (3rd consecutive appearance, 6 total; 200th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 21:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

World Toilet Day 2017

I am happy to see that World Toilet Day is currently in the staging area. User:Howcheng, is it likely to stay there or could any particular concerns with the article still come up? And is there any chance that Picture of the Day on 19 November could be a really groovy toilet picture? I looked into this and saw the featured photos on Wikimedia Commons. Seems like they are more meant to be photos from superb photographers so it might be a bit hard to get into that league with a toilet photo, but would it be worth a shot? EMsmile (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@EMsmile: There are two sections that could use more references: "Organization at the global level" and "Activities". Our quality requirements have increased in the last year, so articles that were included in previous years may no longer be eligible. As for the photo, that's doubtful. We almost never use photos for the observances. The only time that happens is when the blurbs have no good subjects for the photo. The only time I can think of in recent memory was May 5, when I used a Cinco de Mayo photo. —howcheng {chat} 15:47, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will work on those. I didn't quite understand this sentence: "The only time that happens is when the blurbs have no good subjects for the photo."? Does photo of the day have any connection to any of the other things on the main page, like "did you know", or is it uusually totally unrelated. I guess my first step would have to be to get the photo in question into the "featured photo" collection. EMsmile (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@EMsmile: We usually feature 5 text blurbs. 99% of the time, the accompanying picture will be related to one of those items. When none of the text blurbs has an adequate free photo, then we might use one from the births/deaths or the observances. Is that clearer? —howcheng {chat} 22:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now I know what you mean. I wasn't actually referring to the picture that appears with "on this day" but the picture that is called "Picture of the Day", see here. I asked whether that picture ever has a reference to a UN Observance Day? And the format for "on this day" seems to have changed, I don't see the UN Observance Days mentioned anymore? For the 22 March the format was different if I remember right (is there a way of looking at how the 22 March 2017 main page looked like?). EMsmile (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

POTD is pulled from the Featured pictures. I kind of doubt there's a featured picture of a toilet, but if there is one, let User:Crisco 1492 know your request. For OTD, the UN days do get included, as long as the article is in good shape. Historical main pages are at Wikipedia:Main Page history. —howcheng {chat} 02:32, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think the closest thing we have is Homme au bain — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chris Woodrich: that's not a bad image if it's the closest we have to something resembling the topic of toilets/sanitation. How did you find it? I looked here but I couldn't find a "search" field. Browsing through different categories seems cumbersome. - Is there any chance that any of these photos showing "poor sanitation" or "lack of sanitation" or "no toilets" could make it into a featured photo. They are all in Wikimedia Commons, we uploaded them to there; but the search there is so cumbersome that I find it easier to give you this link for now. If any of the photos could potentially be a suitable candidate, I can dig them up in Wikimedia Commons. (any inputs from Doc_James?) EMsmile (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can give it a shot. I knew the Homme au bain from being involved in FPC for six years. I can't recall any toilets being granted FP status. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. How about my question of a search tool for "Featured pictures" and for the Wikimedia Commons photos? Is there one or is the only option to use browse? The search field at the top doesn't seem to work properly but only brings up categories, not individual images. - Has anyone thought about including a Google site search? EMsmile (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, User talk:Howcheng, I have done some more work on the article (e.g. for "activities") so I think it is well deserving to be in the staging area list for "on this day". :-) I didn't pursue the thing with the photo of the day any further - that was too difficult to tackle for me. EMsmile (talk) 23:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Puerto Rico (maintenance); National Review (maintenance); Washington Dulles International Airport (maintenance); TAP Air Portugal Flight 425 (maintenance)
Omitted: University of Warsaw (ineligible—maintenance); Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran; 2013 Iranian embassy bombing
Included: Jay Treaty (5th appearance, last in 2013; rescued from Ineligible); Operation Uranus (8th appearance, last in 2015; 75th anniversary); Pike River Mine disaster (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Billy Sunday (first appearance); José Raúl Capablanca (first appearance); Sun Li-jen (first appearance)
Repeats: Gettysburg Address (2nd consecutive appearance, 11 total); Pelé (2nd consecutive appearance, 11 total)

—howcheng {chat} 19:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Is world Toilet Day going to be included again? I hope so. If in doubt, let me know what improvements are necessary. EMsmile (talk) 13:18, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Omitted: Mali (ineligible—date not cited); Operation Uranus; Pelé; Pike River Mine disaster; Billy Sunday; José Raúl Capablanca; Sun Li-jen
Included: Janowska concentration camp (2nd appearance, last in 2013; 75th anniversary); Geneva Summit (1985) (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Prestige oil spill (first appearance); Nicolas Poussin (first appearance); Mikhail Kalinin (first appearance); James Ensor (first appearance)
Repeats: Jay Treaty (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total); Gettysburg Address (3rd consecutive appearance, 12 total)

—howcheng {chat} 23:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes

New articles (ineligible): Bucharest Metro (moved from November 16)
Omitted: Gettysburg Address; Janowska concentration camp; Prestige oil spill; Nicolas Poussin; Mikhail Kalinin
Included: Mali (rescued from Ineligible); Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran (5th appearance, last in 2016); Pelé (12th appearance, last in 2017; 50th anniversary); 2013 Iranian embassy bombing (2nd appearance, last in 2016); Jean-Antoine Nollet (first appearance); Tove Styrke (first appearance)
Repeats: Jay Treaty (3rd consecutive appearance, 7 total; 225th anniversary); Geneva Summit (1985) (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); James Ensor (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 70th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 16:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes

Omitted: Jay Treaty; Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran; Pelé; Geneva Summit (1985); Iranian embassy bombing in Beirut; Jean-Antoine Nollet; James Ensor; Tove Styrke
Included: Mayflower (first appearance; 400th anniversary); Gettysburg Address (13th appearance, last in 2018); Operation Uranus (9th appearance, last in 2017); Pike River Mine disaster (4th appearance, last in 2017; 10th anniversary); Eustache Le Sueur (first appearance); C. X. Larrabee (first appearance); Sun Li-jen (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 20th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 01:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested anniversary

I have a suggestion for an anniversary for this day (which will have happened 30 years ago): Romance by Luis Miguel and its commercial success lead to renewed interested in the bolero genre. Erick (talk) 01:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes

New articles (unused): Leopold Auenbrugger; Larry King
Omitted: Gettysburg Address; Operation Uranus; Pike River Mine disaster; Eustache Le Sueur; C. X. Larrabee; Sun Li-jen
Included: Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran (6th appearance, last in 2019; 80th anniversary; rescued from Ineligible); Pelé (13th appearance, last in 2019); Romance (Luis Miguel album) (first appearance; 30th anniversary); The Malice at the Palace (first appearance); Mikhail Kalinin (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Xu Zhimo (first appearance; 80th anniversary); Ted Fujita (first appearance)
Repeats: Mayflower (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 04:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]