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Started with fifty (50) case study examples

Created page on Navel-gazing within Wikipedia deletion debates. = started with fifty (50) cited Case study examples.

— Cirt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note

Definition of term itself incorporated example text from entry navel-gazing, with improved sources as in-line citations. — Cirt (talk) 19:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Status of ongoing case study

So far have fifty (50) cited examples in the Case study section, status ongoing is:

through so far with Results 121 - 140 of 445

Next to do = go through next set starting at result number 141.

— Cirt (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done with results 161-180 at link. — Cirt (talk) 11:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done through results 220 at link. — Cirt (talk) 14:47, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done with results through 240 at link. — Cirt (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done through 280 at link. — Cirt (talk) 15:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done through 320 at link. — Cirt (talk) 15:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Advice on handling XFD when "navel gazing" is introduced

I would recommend that we add advice that if "navel gazing" has been introduced in an XFD as the topic deals with Wikipedia, that !voters should be guiding by judging the article as if there was no connection to Wikipedia - this is equally applicable to keep and delete !votes. Basically, just as navel-gazing is a bad argument to raise, similarly just because a topic deals with Wikipedia doesn't mean it is more important than an equivalent topic that has zero to do with Wikipedia. --MASEM (t) 20:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem:Thank you, I strongly agree with everything you've said in this comment, above. Perhaps you could add such a new suggested Advice subsection to explain this? — Cirt (talk) 20:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I liberally used your text, above, and added Advice sect, at Wikipedia:Navel-gazing#Advice_on_handling_XFD_when_.22navel-gazing.22_is_introduced. Please feel free to modify that sect to further improve it. :) Thank you very much for your wise idea, — Cirt (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a bit of rewording (more formal) of what I said initially, as well as adding the possible merge targets to established articles. --MASEM (t) 20:41, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks much better, Masem, thank you ! — Cirt (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eh. On the one hand, I agree with the sentiment that obsessing over the premise is counterproductive. On the other, isn't this a bit by way of overkill? AfD averages a hundred of new discussions a day, and the term "navel-gazing" cropping up in a hundred or two AfDs over the course of more than a decade isn't remotely close to inundation. Just as navel-gazing is counterproductive, obsessing over other editors using the term is equally so. Ravenswing 03:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Meh. The research and writing is now already helpfully done. :) — Cirt (talk) 11:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - "Meh" yourself. If you didn't actually want feedback, why did you ask for it? [1] Ravenswing 14:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Oh, I do want feedback. I'm just not sure this sort of feedback was specific enough to help improve the page, rather just seemed like a generalized complaint. — Cirt (talk) 14:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia Adventure

Should the history and discussion behind the mainspace article on The Wikipedia Adventure be included in the table? —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Largoplazo, thanks for stopping by here! I did a search for term "navel" at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 30 but did not find any. — Cirt (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much

My thanks to Masem and Tony1 for the helpful additions and copy editing.

Much appreciated,

— Cirt (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to Wbm1058 for fixing the sister-links. — Cirt (talk) 04:35, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nice article

thank you. Moscowamerican (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:44, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated, Moscowamerican, thanks very much for your kind words ! — Cirt (talk) 00:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]