Wikipedia talk:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2023/Vespa Carriola

Another quirky gem

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Hello Mr.choppers, I found another oddball that might be in your wheelhouse. Please have a glance at the rough draft (and even give it a quick polish if you've got time – especially the proper infobox formatting for dims, powertrain, etc.). As it's pretty quirky, I'd appreciate having your eyes on this one ;-) Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cl3phact0: Ah, I love that even at this ripe old age, I am still finding out about new vehicles. I didn't check any of your references, but it all looks legit. Check the capitalization of the title before going live. I did some formatting changes but I also have two comments:

Fewer than one of these rare models are known to exist, and if so would go on to set auction records for the highest price paid for a wheelbarrow of any sort at RM Sotheby's for decades to come. - this sentence seems to be missing something
Zagato is famous for their double-bubble roof; did they by any chance use a double-bubble bottom for the Carriola? Just speculating, of course.

Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 14:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for spotting the mangled syntax (above). I'll iron and starch that sentence before publishing the article. Also, well spotted re: IVECO not coming into existence until 1975! I've now corrected this error (FIAT Veicoli Industriali was the precursor, if that's of interest). Formatting improvments appreciated too. Much better.

I'll also dig around some more to see if I can locate any more details about the Z-Carriola (I was secretly hoping that there might be a photo of this rarest of rare gems hidden in your vast treasure-trove of vehicle photos, alas). The only photo I have seen is the grainy black and white image from Quattroruote, but the trim and finish of the Abarth 750 GTZ you've included certainly appears to be in the same vein.

One last question: regarding capitalisation, may I assume that you mean that the article should be named "Vespa Carriola"? If so, would it be best to simply change this when moving to mainspace? (I'm still a bit shaky on the dos and don'ts of naming and page moving.)

Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Capitalization: yes, that was my concern. I've never tried it, but I assume that would be the time. As for refereces, I am currently in the process of unpacking and organizing all of my books, but all the relevant volumes still seem to be in a box somewhere. When do you plan to go live, sometime next week perhaps? Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aiming for Saturday (assuming all the pieces come together by then). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cl3phact0: Looks good to go to me! If I was to add anything, it would be about when Audrey Hepburn famously rode in one in The Tree of Wooden Clogs. All the girls wanted wheelbarrows after that. Mr.choppers | ✎ 17:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know how I missed that! Probably merits an "In popular culture" section. I will try to pick-up on this again later (or tomorrow) and add the Wooden Clogs, kitchen sink, et al. (and a few other odds and sods) in order to give it a last polish before Saturday curtain-call. Thanks again (as always) for your expert advice! -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

La nuit porte conseil – as they say in Saint-Tropez. Found a few more unexpected (and truly unbelievable) pop-culture references which I've added to a new "In popular culture" section (in addition to The Tree of Wooden Clogs, etc.). I've also tidied-up syntax and flow, added a bit more nuance and detail, and fixed a few egregious factual errors that somehow crept into the earlier draft. Think this might be pretty nearly ready to go. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Put a bit more gas in the tank, but must now park it before I go over the cliff of no return. Have a last look if you're so inclined.

PPS: Not entirely certain I know how to accomplish the rn/mv --> mainspace operation.

"Composter" is the best clerical error yet. Bonne chance. Mr.choppers | ✎ 21:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merci. Thanks again for your help! I'll probably re-read it ~~a few~~ too many more times in order to verify and make sure the facts are just so, but I'm feeling like this article is ready for general readership. One question of form: Is it acceptable practice to duplicate this thread on the Talk page of the article itself (essentially copy/paste from your Talk page --> Vespa Carriola:Talk)? My thinking is that it might be helpful for other editors to see the evolution of the piece and some of the framework discussion (e.g., the addition of the Double Bubble information and accompanying ref image). Thoughts? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:35, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS: A few other points I'm not sure about: to which (if any) categories should the Carriola be added; idem re: WikiProjects; lastly, should a banner shell or any other technical, under the bonnet details be added?

Cl3phact0 (talk) 18:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]