Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tim Hughes (soldier)

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Article promoted by Ian Rose (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Hughes (soldier)

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Tim Hughes (soldier) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) 6,623 This article is about a decorated Australian Aboriginal soldier of the Second World War who went on to achieve success in the soldier-settlement scheme after the war and was appointed MBE for his inaugural chairmanship of the Aboriginal Lands Trust. Not a lot of corporals with their own articles, but Hughes has his own entry in the Australian Dictionary of Biography. Have at it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7

Great article. Very little to say. Very impressive.

No spelling errors detected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass

File:Tim Hughes MBE MM.jpg, File:Land clearing team at Keppock.jpg, - copyright expired - okay
File:Tim Hughes MBE MM grave plaque.jpg - 3D artwork - Wikipedian generated CC 4.0 - okay
File:Tim Hughes Stadium, Repat Health Precinct.jpg - Wikipedian generated CC 4.0 - okay

All images are appropriately licensed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

Sources are reliable and reputable
No issues with formatting.
Spot checks: 3, 8, 32, 33 - okay

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matarisvan

Hi Peacemaker67, my comments:

Perhaps change the "Aborginal" in the first sentence of the lead to "Aboriginal Australian"? I know that the former mostly always implies the latter but a clarification would still help.

I've restored Australian Aboriginal, which is the article title. Aboriginal was removed by an editor on the basis of MOS:ETHNICITY, but that doesn't apply here, as his Aboriginality is central to his notability. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"at the fifth grade": won't "till the fifth grade," be better?

It now says until he completed the fifth grade. Will that do? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"suffered with": "suffered from"?

Good point. Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we introduce in 1 or 2 words who Lowitja was in the lead and body, per NOFORCELINK?

Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"made a modest success of farming": "had modest success at farming"?

tweaked this, hopefully better. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reckon you would like to take this article to FAC. In that case, you should move around the lead a little so its length is 4 paragraphs instead of the current 3.

Another editor has done this now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why have we linked to South Australia in the body but not in the lead?

No idea, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What was the reason for the first hospital stay in the Middle East?

circumcision. I didn't think it was necessary to include that detail. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"was recovered": "had recovered"?

yes, that was odd. Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Wingfield?

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"made a reasonable success of his farm": "had reasonable success at ..."?

reworded. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't the Tim Hughes stadium picture be better placed in the Post war section than in the footnotes?

Can't due to sandwiching. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since we are using the 1993 edition for Wilmot, consider using ISBN 13 instead of 10, as done for all the other sources?

OK, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider adding images of the Battles of Tobruk, the Salient, Milne Bay and Buna Gona? For people who don't have many photograhps, I have seen photos od the events they were involved in being used on here.

OK, added a couple, surprisingly few of the 2/10th unfortunately. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A good read overall Matarisvan (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Matarisvan. See what you think of my changes. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support for promotion to A class. Cheers Matarisvan (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Nick-D

I'd like to offer the following comments on this fine article:

I'd suggest linking 2/10th Battalion in the lead

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the older sister of Lowitja O'Donoghue - I'd suggest noting who Lowitja O'Donoghue is

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that First Nations Australians were officially banned from joining the military in 1939, can anything be said about how Hughes was able to enlist and remain enlisted? Many other First Nations men who enlisted at this time were discharged not long afterwards.

He snuck in before the restrictive orders were issued, there were several from SA who managed it. Almost all of those who enlisted in 1940 were discharged, things relaxed later in the war. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can anything be said about Hughes experiences in the Army? Various sources note that when/once First Nations people were able to make it into the military they generally experienced far less discrimination than in civilian life.

Haven't been able to find anything about his experience of it specifically, but the fact that he was decorated and promoted to section commander over white soldiers gives a fair indication any racism wasn't too egregious and he was accepted on his merits. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" In 1956 he requested and received exemption from the Aborigines Act, although he deeply resented what was referred to as a "dog licence" and expressed criticism about the way Aboriginal people were treated. " - I'd suggest explaining the background here

Just locating a good source for this. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Nick-D I reckon I might have enough there now. See what you reckon? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" Hughes was only permitted expenses of 18 pounds a week" - was this standard for soldier-settlers, or did it apply to the First Nations ones only? Nick-D (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources don't say. It would be interesting to know though. I'll see if I can find a source before I bring it to FAC. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to PM @Peacemaker67: Ping me if this article needs another general review. Pendright (talk) 04:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC) Support Those changes look good, and my comments are addressed. Nick-D (talk) 10:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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