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9th (Highland) Infantry Division

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The 9th (Highland) Infantry Division was a second-line Territorial Army division that was active for almost a year. It was dispersed throughout Scotland to strategically important points, which mostly included Royal Navy installations, and played a role in the initial defensive plans of the UK. In August 1940, it was renamed as the 51st (Highland) Infantry Division (the division's first-line counterpart). The article has been given a copy-edit by the GOCE, and recently passed a GA review. EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alt text, links etc are fine, except:

Suggestion only: Would it make sense to add "British 9th Division" and "9th Division (United Kingdom)" as redirects? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because the 9th (Scottish) Division also exists. Kges1901 (talk) 15:05, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Gog the Mild

I assessed this for GAN and had a good pick at it there.

IMO you over use quotations in footnote c; it would be better to paraphrase this into your own words.
I have paraphrased the quoteEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to go on to FAC you may want to also look at the use of French towards the end of the main article; but IMO that is marginally acceptable.
I think A-Class will be as far as I go with this article, but understand.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"In November 1939, the division was assigned to this initial defensive plan and remained so until 1940." Erm, maybe something like 'In November 1939, the division was assigned a role in this initial defensive plan, which it retained until 1940.'?
Tweaked per your recommendationEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"The plan envisioned troops in the affected area to immediately locate and defeat German parachutists, or to cordon off and thereby immobilise any German forces" → 'The plan envisioned troops in the affected area immediately locating and defeating German parachutists, or cordoning off and thereby immobilising any German forces ... '
Tweaked per your recommendationEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise it is looking pretty good. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comment and reviewEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AustralianRupert

Support: G'day, nice work. I have a few minor comments: AustralianRupert (talk) 00:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

27 August 1939–7 August 1940: spaced endash
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
the infobox says the division was created on 27 August, but the text implies maybe that it was the 28th? For instance "On 25 August...Three days later, the 9th (Highland) Infantry Division was activated"
Addressed the typoEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
agreement to lead to further peaceful resolution of issues: this sounds a little awkward. Perhaps, "agreement to lead to a peaceful resolution of further issues"?
tweaked per your suggestionEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
assigned a role in this initial defensive plan, which it remained until 1940 --> "assigned a role in this initial defensive plan, which it retained until 1940"?
addressedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

or of a large scale attack --> "or of a large-scale attack"?
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As a result of the Battle of France and the Dunkirk evacuation... --> "As a result of the tempo of the Battle of France and the Dunkirk evacuation" or something similar?
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
on the frontline in front of: is there a way to avoid "frontline" and "front" in the same sentence here?
I made a tweak, does this work?
Yes, looks good to me. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
following it's escape from France: remove the apostrophe
removedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
during the First World War) First-line territorial... -- is this missing a full stop between the closing bracket and "First-line"?
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The London Gazette states he started...: put London Gazette in italics
doneEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reviewEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- No worries, added my support above and made a couple of minor tweaks. Thanks for your efforts. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM

This article is in great shape. I have a few comments:

in the lead, "The new 51st Division ~~would go~~went on to fight"
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
suggest "to increase the size of the Territorial Army (TA)"
Amended per your commentEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
suggest "The first-line divisions would then form new divisions"
Amended per your commentEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
drop the "militiamen" per my comments on the last article
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
in the Formation and home defence section, is there a brigade deployment plan in support of the RN that can be inserted? If not, perhaps it could be emphasised that brigades weren't even deployed together, as for example, 5th SH and 7th GH were from different brigades. What, if any, role did the brigade headquarters play in all this?
I have tweaked the ending sentence of the second para to make this point. The sources do not discuss brigade headquarters, or their role in all this.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
which three bns were deployed around Fife?
same for Invergordon?
In regards to these two points, there are very few sources available that discuss these 2nd-line battalions, and especially during their home service. Some of the battalions are omitted in their regimental histories. The article for the Gordon Highlanders suggests the 9th Battalion was also at Scapa Flow, but that does not seem to jive with the source mentioned (snippet view on Google Books does not seem to mention battalion locations), and does not jive with sources that do specify the Scapa Flow garrison.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
does "While the division had" indicate a general lack of equipment, as reflected in the sources? If so, perhaps preface this with that observation?
I have moved this point to a more chronological point. I have added a bit more detail from the source, although he only provides specifics for the AT guns and rifles for the division.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note c indicates that the Germans only had 6K troops for air landing, but as shown in Crete with the air-transported 5th Mountain Division, other troops could be air-transported. It is more likely that the Luftwaffe lift capability was the limiting factor.
The full quote from Newbold is "followed by a maximum of 15,000 troops carried in 1,000 civil aircraft. Although the civil aircraft were capable of carrying 15 men each, Germany was only known to possess 6,000 airlanding troops, trained as such"

While the article is not well sourced, the 5th Mountain article suggests it was not raised until after the invasion scare of the UK, which would leave only the 22nd in said role at this point.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
suggest "On 6 March, Lindsay returned to retirement"
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"who had been the of Director of Personal Services"
extra word removedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
suggest "at the capability of German airborne forces"
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Because of the anticipated threat in the south" if that is what is meant?
Yes, and tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
current rank for Edmund Ironside?
addedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
drop the comma from "As a result of the German advance, during"
droppedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"it's position"→"its position"
removedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Within 24 hours"
tweakedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Le Harve–Le Havre, there is another example of this
Yikes! I have corrected this.
was renumbered the 153rd Brigade
amendedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As always, thank you for the review. I have addressed the majority of your points, and left a few comments in response to others.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, a pleasure to review these articles. Supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are of high quality and reliable. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass

All images are appropriately licensed. Gog the Mild (talk) 08:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support by CPA-5

Looks good to go. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:16, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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