Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/States With Limited Recognition

The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.

The resulting WikiProject was created as Wikipedia:WikiProject Limited recognition

Description

This proposed project would have within it's scope the 10 "Other States" of International Politics and their subpages(significant locations, geography, transportation, culture, history and so on). The project would help to maintain and expand these articles. Outback the koala (talk) 05:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Please specify whether or not you would join the project.

Outback the koala (talk) 05:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
07bargem (talk) 19:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC) Can't see a problem and would help where possible.[reply]
IJA (talk) 13:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC) Will join whether it is a project or a taskforce. Be nice to get some standards. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
--Quintucket (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC) Agreed, a project of these states is wholly merited. But please note that your list of other 10 states is really a list of states with de facto sovereignty. So a name change is probably in order.[reply]
Seksen (talk) 13:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC) Will join the project. I do not think that anything is wrong with this proposal.[reply]

Discussion

Maybe What is the common thread to all of these that ties them together in a WikiProject other than not being in the UN? How is this different than "WikiProject States Whose Names Begin with R"? It's not clear to me that if I am an expert on (e.g.) Western Sahara, I have anything to say about Kosovo. I could be totally wrong, of course, and if there are enough persons interested, then I definitely say go for it, but right now, it's hard to see how these fit together into any coherent whole. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a task-force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries might be more feasible than a separate WikiProject? --Cybercobra (talk) 06:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like the same thing as the apparently inactive Wikipedia:WikiProject Unrecognized countries. I agree a taskforce would be much better than a full project. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 06:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it seems that this topic is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries (and presence of Wikipedia:WikiProject Unrecognized countries, active or not, also points to the conclusion that a third WikiProject will be too much). I think that the taskforce/wikiproject should deal with defining some general guidelines that resolve problems such as this one. My opinion is that "limited recognition" states should have the same structure of their articles as all sovereign states (non-sovereign state countries like Wales, Bermuda, Aruba, etc. are different topic and their current arrangement is OK?) - of course with some special features like navigational links in the lead such as "this is for the limited recognition "State of XXX". For a general description of the territory see "XXX". For the competing claim of YYY see "State/Province XXX2"." Basically I proposed (on the linked page) that there is one "generic" article about the history (pre-dispute)/geography of the territory and separate articles for the competing administrations/GiEs/claims with navigational links to each other. Alinor (talk) 08:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)?[reply]
If this project will be able to find best solution for multiple disputed subject regarding pertly recognized states, then i would gladly say yes to the creation of this project. Also, i propose unification with Wikipedia:WikiProject Unrecognized countries, and the scope will be bigger, and also, the reason to have separate wikiproject. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 12:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

White, I think that is a great suggestion, thank you. Now I have to figure out how to do that! Outback the koala (talk) 03:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's easy: Go to the existing page, and boldly re-write it to say what you want. Then add {{Project header}} to the top, beg your friends to watchlist the page, spam announcements about its revival to as many relevant projects as you can think of, and declare the yourself to be in business. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:06, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Thank you all for your input, support, and/or suggestions. Since the Wikipedia:WikiProject Unrecognized countries has been completely inactive for at the very least 3+years, I will put together a bold change to the project (which will include a name change, change of scope....) and place it on the talk page of that project. Once it is up, I will notify all the former members of that wikiproject for their input and those of you who commented here. Hopefully enough of us will come that we can have a functioning wikiproject on our hands. If you have any questions/comments, go to my usertalk, or post here! Cheers! Outback the koala (talk) 18:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the unrecognized countries project includes "countries" like Tibet, with no actual sovereignty, and Iraqi Kurdistan, which at present does not claim to be independent the project is either inconsistent (why not include any claimed government in exile), or has a lot of room for expansion. I would suggest that this project be made into a list of countries with de fact sovereignty, and claims to independent legitimacy--including the Libyan Republic and Taiwan, but not for example Kurdistan or Republika Sprska, much lest Tibet. --Quintucket (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tibet is not de facto independant and would not fall under the preview of this project. Look at List of States With Limited Recognition to see what this woulod entail. Outback the koala (talk) 18:45, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have accordingly edited the list on that project to more adhere to the standards of the list, however I think there might be an argument for also dealing with unrecognized subnational entities (states that claim to want only autonomy) with de facto control over their own territory, such as Puntland, and Wa State. I have started a discussion on specific criterion on for conclusion.--Quintucket (talk) 02:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or at the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.