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02:10, 11 January 2024 review of submission by 2601:85:C581:A30:7035:8940:89BA:B6E0

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Hi folks, I'm trying to figure out how to get better sources for this article but am having trouble. The company produces hundreds of board games, multiple award winning stuff, but all of the sources I have are lower quality than I need. The one good source I have doesn't seem to exist on the internet (a Tampa Tribune article from May 8, 2001), and the rest are bloggers or boardgamegeek.com or the like. How should I proceed on this? 2601:85:C581:A30:7035:8940:89BA:B6E0 (talk) 02:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Wikipedia articles should be written by summarising what independent and reliable secondary sources have said, if there are no sources, then there is nothing to summarise, and no article can be created. Worth also noting that having created hundreds of products does not necessarily make a company notable, nor does their products having won awards, so it is possible that this company simply does not justify an article at this time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

03:12, 11 January 2024 review of submission by Vedicandhra

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I edited all the references and consolidated the notability of the article as per the suggestions of the reviewer and a live helper from the wikipedia channel. Thank you for your time and help!! Vedicandhra (talk) 03:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

05:30, 11 January 2024 review of submission by Rmvika

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How to publish my article ? Rmvika (talk) 05:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rmvika: you cannot, as this draft has been rejected. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

08:11, 11 January 2024 review of submission by Shaon609

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It seems like you're requesting assistance with modifying content related to a person and their websites for a Wikipedia page. However, I cannot directly access or modify Wikipedia content. If you have specific information or details you would like to share, I can help you draft a neutral and non-promotional version suitable for a Wikipedia article. Please provide more information about the person, their achievements, and any notable contributions or events related to them, and I'll do my best to assist you. Shaon609 (talk) 08:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what? ltbdl (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is that what the bot told you? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shaon609 This is not the forum to offer or advertise your editing services. 331dot (talk) 08:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's, rather hilariously, a boilerplate response from ChatGPT or another LLM chatbot. Qcne (talk) 08:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These things happen... --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:48, 11 January 2024 review of submission by 62.228.125.221

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Submission declined because: The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes.

Hi, could you please help, because I am in stuck. It’s not clear from the manual what the mistake is. At first glance, the links are correctly designed, and their layout coincides with many current Wikipedia articles.

Could you please provide more details and I will update asap. 62.228.125.221 (talk) 09:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles on living people (see WP:BLP) have strict referencing requirements. Every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal details must be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources. Currently this draft is mostly unreferenced. For example, which source provides the person's DOB, or the recognition listed in the 'Awards' section? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:54, 11 January 2024 review of submission by Anchorteam

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Hi, I would like to add a company description to my draft (the rectangle in the upper right on Wikipedia) but I can not find the possibility to add the description. Could you help me? Thanks in advance! Anchorteam (talk) 11:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Anchorteam: do you mean the infobox, such as the one in eg. IBM? This is created using {{Infobox company}}.
That said, if I were you I would solely focus on establishing the notability of this subject, which is the biggest hurdle to overcome for any draft, and also where previous attempts have fallen. Infoboxes and other proverbial bells & whistles can come later. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi DoubleGrazing,
thank you very much for your answer! That is exactly what i meant. Alright, thanks for the hint - then I will focus on creating notability first.
Thank you Anchorteam (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources that I have used this far are good for creating notability, right? Anchorteam (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anchorteam: I wouldn't say so, no. They seem to be based on some publicity materials, ie. not independent.
BTW, what is your relationship with this subject, and/or the organisations associated with it? Please see WP:COI and WP:PAID, and make the necessary disclosures before editing further. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just for my understanding: How are other companies creating their Wiki sites as they do not have independent sources as well? Anchorteam (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anchorteam: there are plenty of independent sources on all sorts of companies. In any case, companies don't create their Wikipedia articles, individual editors do. And if they are writing about a company that they are employed by or otherwise have an external relationship with, they need to disclose this.
Apropos of which, I repeat my earlier question: what is your relationship with this subject? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, yes I know, however for companies like Einhell or IBM, that are on Wikipedia, are not really independet sources given on he sites - so how come that there is no problem publishing their sites?
I am using their battery system for all of my projects at home and really like the concept they are following as I can use their battery for most of my products I own Anchorteam (talk) 15:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anchorteam: there are no 'sites' in Wikipedia, there are encyclopaedia articles on subjects which are deemed notable.
The IBM article cites plenty of independent sources. Entire books have been written on it. There is nothing to indicate that anyone from IBM wrote that article, and in any case it was created over 20 years ago when publishing requirements were different from what they are today. I haven't checked the Einhell article, but if you believe it or any other article doesn't demonstrate notability, you're more than welcome to improve it, or if this cannot be done, to instigate deletion proceedings. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Einhell article could use some work, it looks like the article in German is more extensive, and I've added Template:Expand German to it. I'm pretty sure that it would survive a proposed deletion though.Naraht (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm at about the right level of indent here. I'd say that this is something that notability can be found. References don't need to be in English, but company websites and press releases don't show notability, but there are some relatively neutral articles out there. There are wikipedia users that will put the bells and whistles (or at least explain how) for an article that has shown notability and been published to mainspace, If submitted as of the last time I looked at it, I'd decline it, but definitely *not* reject this. Keep going with adding independent refs for notability and I think you are on the right path.Naraht (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(User indeffed as a sock, draft deleted.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:52, 11 January 2024 review of submission by Vedicandhra

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I was wondering if the edits made now qualified this as an article Vedicandhra (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vedicandhra: you have resubmitted this draft and it is awaiting review; sooner or later, a reviewer will pick it up and give you their assessment. Please be patient. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:46, 11 January 2024 review of submission by Jonathan Urey

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Hi, I would like to insert a infobox - but I can't seem to insert a Dutch language infobox only an English language one. What do I need to do to change this?

Thank you,

J. Jonathan Urey (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you creating a Dutch-language draft in English Wikipedia? You should be working in Dutch Wikipedia. There are no facilities that I am aware of for moving a page between different Wikipedias: you'll need to copy (the source) into a page on nl-wiki.
As for the infobox: naturally, en-wiki does not contain infoboxes in other languages. You'll want to use nl:Sjabloon:Infobox bedrijf, but of course that is only available in Dutch Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:55, 11 January 2024 review of submission by 73.169.188.142

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I need a mentor to assist me in drafting a musician page that will be accepted for publication 

73.169.188.142 (talk) 22:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I doubt that any experienced editor will be willing to spend any time on this draft (which has been rejected) unless you can show that sufficient sources exist to establish that Tecu meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Remember that each of the sources you offer must meet all the conditions in WP:42; and that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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