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The result of the discussion was delete. One thing is clear: this template is virtually unusable in the current state, and has to go. Whether a new genera-only template can be created later or readers should be made to rely on taxoboxes has no consensus but a new rescoped template can be created at any time. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Proteaceae (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Huge navbox that is way too large to provide any useful navigation. WP:NAVBOXCREEP and WP:NENAN. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants/Archive74#Oversized_navigation_template. Mbdfar (talk) 19:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - It is indeed enormous and an enormous amount of work must have gone into creating it, but as a result, an enormous amount of work would be required to keep it up to date. Similar, and more up-to-date information about the species in each genus, is available in the taxobox of each species of Proteaceae. Gderrin (talk) 23:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to deletion per Gderrin, I thought this was already decided by a previous discussion. I will however point out that WP:NAVBOXCREEP and WP:NENAN are essays representing the opinions of an unknown number of editors and have no standing as guidance or policy. Cheers· · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I remember the previous discussion, but I don't think a decision was made before the discussion was archived. Damned if I can find it. I did confess to removing the navbox as I expand Grevillea articles because it (the navbox) is no longer accurate. Gderrin (talk) 10:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A monstrous template you can't navigate through easily. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unclear what this reason is supposed to mean. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seems pretty clear to me? The point of a navbox is to aid navigation, which this doesn't do. -- Visviva (talk) 05:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strip remove all species and restrict to genera -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Template:Proteaceae genera (like Template:Moraceae genera) and remove the species per above. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rescope into just genera or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unmaintainable and serves no apparent navigational purpose. (And while WP:NAVBOX does not have the force of policy, this falls short of most of the criteria suggested therein.) Restricting it to genera as proposed above could be a cromulent solution, but still will create all manner of maintenance headaches given the current level of taxonomic churn. Taxoboxes and categories would seem to provide ample navigational aids here. -- Visviva (talk) 05:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's more general potential for the tree of life area to have navboxes that succinctly summarize a specific clade. This... this template doesn't do that. So, at a minimum, strip it down to genera. I defer to experts about the general utility for the template, but I will note that 'churn' is not really a sufficient reason to delete a navbox. Maybe if that 'churn' were clearly impossible to keep up with, but I anticipate if this template had 30 links instead of 1000 as with a listing of the genera, it wouldn't be impossible to keep up with. --Izno (talk) 06:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Actually, deletion and restricting to just genera aren't incompatible solutions, per WP:TNT. It's perfectly possible to delete this original template, and then create a genera-only navbox independently. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Shabbat banner

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The result of the discussion was userfy per creator request. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:37, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Shabbat banner (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Shabbat today (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, incoming links, or categories. Created in March 2022, but does not appear to have been adopted anywhere. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I used it for a time, but I don't now – rather than deletion, I'd prefer it to be moved to my userpage as the creator if those are the choices. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Boxcar Comics

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Boxcar Comics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN, three of the articles on it are at prod Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I support deletion of this template per the above as the original creator. 14 years ago I was much more naïve than I am now around notability. Thanks! TLSuda (talk) 12:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:TAKM (Organization of the Eurasian Law Enforcement Agencies with Military Status)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 July 24. ✗plicit 23:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAKM_(Organization_of_the_Eurasian_Law_Enforcement_Agencies_with_Military_Status) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:John Allison

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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 04:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:John Allison (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four links (both Giant Days links go to the same page). WP:NENAN Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I wasn't aware of the 'rule of five' when I made this.. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The navbox is now transcluded on five articles. ✗plicit 23:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, now has enough links. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Cowdenbeath F.C. squad

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The result of the discussion was delete for linking to virtually no articles. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cowdenbeath F.C. squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Club has been relegated out of the Scottish Professional Football League, and now doesn't have any players who have articles. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 19:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, not needed. Giant Snowman 19:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:History of Thailand 1932–1973

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:33, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:History of Thailand 1932–1973 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:History of Thailand (1973–2001) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:History of Thailand since 2001 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Similar to the Sri Lanka templates that were deleted on April 12 I nominated. Don't see the need for navboxes for every certain period in Thailand's history. All of these are primarily just clutter for listing every leader and institution that relates to the specific period. But these fall under template creep when there are other templates covering the scope for all the articles under the events section in all three navboxes. Template:History of Thailand navbox can probably cover the scope. But these navbox is broader for its subject matter. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative keep. While I would have agreed with deletion for the aforementioned Sri Lanka templates, I don't think they are comparable because the Sri Lanka ones were based on individual years, while these are historical periods corresponding to Wikipedia's coverage of the topic. While I do think that the first two could do with some major redesign as they are currently overlinked and waste too much space, I would defend the last one, which I created, as it assists the reader in navigating between important topics within the topic. While for example the 2013–2014 Thai political crisis may already have a navbox linking to other major protests since 1973, a reader approaching the topic from an interest in contemporary Thai history would be better served by navigational aids to articles that are relevant to the period, e.g. those about the protesters ("People's Democratic Reform Committee"), the prime minister they were protesting against (Yingluck Shinawatra), the election disrupted by the protests (2014 Thai general election), and the coup and junta that followed (2014 Thai coup d'état (admittedly already included in the coups and protests navbox) and National Council for Peace and Order). These are not easily accessible via the category system, and Template:History of Thailand navbox is for navigation between the main articles in the history of Thailand series and not meant for navigation between topics within each period. Also, Template:Rattanakosin Template:Thonburi are missing from this nomination. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:21, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get your point, but why can't the main history navbox and Template:History of Thailand sidebar be enough? At least for larger or more main history of Thailand subjects. Even if these two templates don't link to the articles one is reading, they are normally added due to their relation to the broader history-related subject. I don't see any other templates like this for say Cambodia, U.S., U.K. And there should be consistency with these types of navboxes. If the history of one country is going to be covered in this way, then the same should apply to all other nations as well. For Template:Rattanakosin and Template:Thonburi, I wasn't aware until your post. But I think they qualify for deletion for the same reason. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:21, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:28, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Limited availability

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The result of the discussion was delete as unhelpful. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Limited availability (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only once in one article as a note for a citation. Unclear what "not available everywhere" means, but this seems to be similar to the |url-access= parameter in the citation templates. If that is the case, replace with standard parameter and delete tempate. Gonnym (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Newsubpagename

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Newsubpagename (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No one is creating subpages in this way anymore. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unused. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Fair use rationale needed subcat starter

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fair use rationale needed subcat starter (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template has been completed its historical mission and should be deleted. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:11, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Seems to be superseded by Template:Images with no fair use rationale subcat starter. But we seem to be having a repeat of User talk:Q28/0#Please give sensible TfD rationales, and you should really take more care in nominating templates at TfD since I doubt you realized that before nominating. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Copied/debug

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per G7 (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 18:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Copied/debug (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template is not used by the way. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the creator of the template said it was meant for use with Show preview in their edit summary of creation. I'll let them comment further. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as sole author, G7 if that applies and is easiest. Should I tag it? It is probably obsolete since Template:Copied was migrated to Module:Copied in 2020. Flatscan (talk) 04:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Periodic table by article quality/2018-12-31

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Periodic table by article quality/2018-12-31 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Eventually, the template was no longer used. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Help intro last

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:33, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Help intro last (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

At present, this template is no longer used. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Long ton/t sqbr

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:32, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Long ton/t sqbr (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is not currently used by any page. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Automatic taxobox/doc/errors

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:32, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Automatic taxobox/doc/errors (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The status quo is that this template is no longer used. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:02, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete seems to be a failed test as it contains no actual content other than a common navbox. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Mw-ext

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mw-ext (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template isn't even being used at the moment. Q 𝟤 𝟪 16:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember why I created this. Feel free to delete since it's unused. Legoktm (talk) 17:34, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:BS-2sc

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BS-2sc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This BS template is not used. Q 𝟤 𝟪 15:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chamber members box

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chamber members box (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template are empty and currently completely unused. Q 𝟤 𝟪 15:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is not a template but instead shared documentation for four other templates that are currently in use. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, but move the documentation page rather than deleting it As far as I can tell, this is a useful piece of documentation combined with a useless template – the template exists only to host the documentation page and does nothing on its own. As such, the template documentation page should be moved to become a subpage of one of the templates it documents: probably to {{Chamber members box begin/doc}} (which is just a soft redirect at present). It will then be possible to change the documentation for {{Chamber members box begin}}, {{Chamber members box listing}}, {{Chamber members box listing no party link}}, and {{Chamber members box end}} to reference the new location for the centralised documentation, and delete this template (which is inappropriate for template space because it doesn't do anything and cannot possibly have any legitimate uses). --ais523 05:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to this proposal. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2009 in Pakistan

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2009 in Pakistan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All links were deleted in a May 24, 2017 Afd. No need to keep anymore. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Switchgallery

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Plastikspork (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Switchgallery (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose to delete this unused template that attempts to use an extension that isn't present on English Wikipedia. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was unaware, and once it didn't work, I wasn't exactly happy. It was a fail; not going to contest. Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 15:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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