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1998 Sec. of Defense adminnison to Congress about the exposer to readiation by the 1960"

In the early 1960's Air Force PP. in SAC were exposed unprotected to radiation and were unprotected. The Sec. of Def. admitted this in 1997-1998 before Congress. I have seen the letter but have lost it and now I need it. If you can help tell me how. 71.88.203.73 (talk) 16:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. I really don't know the answer to you question, but somebody at the Wikipedia reference desk might be able to help with factual questions such as yours. ^King Jakob _C2 16:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Why are some links blue?

Dear editors: I am trying to fix up a page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Media for Equity (2) which is an economics article about a type of equity funding. The article was unbalanced toward certain companies, and a little hard to understand, so I have rewritten it and added more examples from other companies. However, the original links are coloured blue, whereas the ones I added are not, so it still looks promotional. I can't see what in the references is making the difference. Can someone explain this? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

With most browser settings there is a different colour for links which you have visited compared with links which you have not visited. Is that the difference which you are seeing? - David Biddulph (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

No, I visited every one of those links, both new and old, before using them as sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Which web browser you are using? Check colour settings! --Tito Dutta (contact) 15:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Wait! I just realized that I was using a different computer when I looked at those older links, so David Biddulph was correct, and the problem was imaginary. Thanks anyway. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

User subpages no longer needed

Dear editor: My question about edit counts made me realize that I have made some user pages that aren't needed. For example, I created User:Anne Delong/Rigoletto in Bluegrass, but then I moved the content from that page to Rigoletto... in Bluegrass, leaving only a redirect. Should I get rid of old pages like this with db-r2, or is there another process? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anne. {{db-u1}}, if it's within your userspace. It depends on how tidy you like your pages to be - personally, I always delete subpages if I'm not using them, but the server drain is utterly negligible; no-one will mind if you leave them there. If you need to search for pages within your userspace it can be easier if there are fewer of them, but there's no hard-and-fast rule that says you have to clear the decks after you've moved a draft into mainspace. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Hey Anne. R2 is for links from the mainspace to the user space. Use {{db-u1}} or {{db-userreq}}. But yes, cleaning out those links is good once the page history's been moved to the mainspace though not a big deal. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll delete them. Since the page names are specific to articles, I can't see them being any use once I've added a link to the article on my main user page. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

citation of an article from the website www.scribd.com ?

Hello Wiki experts !

Another question from a NOOB on wikipedia. I have already come across the notability guidelines and the citing of reliable sources ( third party) and I would like to strictly follow the mentioned guidelines in order to edit an existing article and add info by using the website scribd. As this website has been useful for presenting seminars and presentations in the university but still I would like to know HOW VERIFIABLE IS AN EDIT WHEN CITED IN EXTERNAL REFERENCES FROM THE WEBSITE www.scribd.de Thanks in advance for the help.Ghorpaapi (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, generally you should avoid linking to scribd as a source directly. I suggest you treat Scribd links like offline source, which the author, publisher and tracking number must be established.

A previous discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard came up with the following advice: If one has the document, just cite to it, and don't add a link to scribd. If one doesn't have the document, don't link to scribd. Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 12:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Great ! thank you once again for the info Ghorpaapi (talk) 13:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit counts

Dear editors: I don't have a problem this time, just feeling nosy. I have been looking at th colourful pie chart in the Edit Count tool. If I make a page in my user space, and then later move it to article space, will those edits count as user space edits, or will they be now counted among the article space edits?—Anne Delong (talk) 05:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Ya know..if I was to guess, I would say the original count remains but you then get an addition to your deletion log? Anyone know about this?--Amadscientist (talk) 05:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. If you first draft your article in your user space and then use Move, and move it to the main namespace, then your edits will be considered as edits to the article namespace. But if you draft your article and then do a copy-paste move then your edits will be considered as edits to both article and user namespace. This answer was based on the fact the entire edit history of a page, before and after the move, is shown and old title becomes a redirect and loses its edit history. Regards --Ushau97 ^talk 05:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anne, I assume you're talking about X!'s edit counter? That tool is now maintained by User:TParis, so he would be the best person to ask if you're really curious about it. Chamal ^T•C 05:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

• I have some experience here, I second Ushua's answer!

As far as I know, this works like this:

You make N edits in a userpage draft

You move it to mainspace (i.e. article), not Cut paste as Ushua mentioned. The N edits become part of the article's edit history.

But, the 1 edit you made to move the article can be found in your userpage draft's edit history (you can verify it in its edit hsitory)

Now, you delete the userpage draft and that 1 edit gets deleted. --Tito Dutta (contact) 05:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I didn't take deleting the user space draft into consideration when answering the question. Anyways, if the page was deleted then it will be in the deleted contributions. --Ushau97 ^talk 06:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Main Picture

Moved to top of page— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
What has to have a picture for being post as a main picture for an article. I've post some great pictures-as far I can see- on bono's article but Y2krazyjoker4 has re-replace them. i don't get the point. Can someone explain to me??? Miss Bono (talk) 19:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Miss Bono. Welcome back to the Teahouse.

This is a very common experience at Wikipedia. The perceptions of each of us are so different and what constitutes a good image so subjective that this can indeed be very frustrating. The proper way to handle this is to post both images at the talk page and ask editors to !Vote for their preference. This may not get the image you want into the article but it will establish a consensus. If you can live with that consensus it could go a long way in establishing yourself as an involved editor at the page and may be seen by others as showing neutrality in editing! Good luck and Happy editing!--Amadscientist (talk) 02:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Amadscientist... how can I post both pictures at the talk page...?? Is there any code??...Miss Bono (talk) 12:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf has been nominated for deletion

Moved to top of page— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I had created Template:Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf because there was no suitable. Deutscher Gehörlosen-Sportverband is not a national Olympic committee. Therefore Template:Infobox National Olympic Committee can not be used. I think about to move it to Template:Infobox Sport Association of the Deaf, so can use it more possible items, eg Deaf International Basketball Federation. Is this a good solution? Thank you, greetings --Jean11 (talk) 17:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

You really shouldn't be creating single-use templates. All of the content in Template:Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf can be replicated using Template:Infobox organization ie by copying the blank version as set out in the Usage section of the documentation, pasting it into the article and completing the parameters as described in the Examples section.--ukexpat (talk) 19:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox organization has no |country =,| code = ,| created =,| recognized =,| association =,| president = --Jean11 (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Then the best thing to do is to leave a message on the template talk page requesting that those parameters to be added to the template.--ukexpat (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Uploading images

Can someone please show me how to upload an image onto Wikimedia Commons? --1ST7 (talk) 04:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. To upload a file to Commons visit the Upload Wizard. Wikimedia Commons can only accept files which anyone can use for any purpose. That means most content you find on the web is not acceptable. But for example, most photos that you've taken yourself are OK to upload.You start by selecting the files you want to upload, then you go step by step through the process. In the final step, you'll get some wiki markup that you can copy into a Wikipedia article. Let me know if I can help. :-) --Ushau97 ^talk 04:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! Go here commons:Special:UploadWizard and start the upload process. But, either you must own the copyright or the image should be under creative commons or public domain license. Here you can learn more about licensing. Or check the image to learn which types of images you can upload at Commons! Fill the form at commons:Special:UploadWizard and upload the image. They have a help section too where you can ask help related to uploading media or you can ask here at this Teahouse too! --Tito Dutta (contact) 05:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. --1ST7 (talk) 05:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I believe my article is ready to post, what's next?

This is the page in my Sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LeanInspiration/sandbox I had one peer edit so far, and made a series of changes. What's next? Tim S. (LeanInpsiration) LeanInspiration (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Tim. I'm sorry but the page reads as almost a caricature of promotional corporate seminar circumlocutious ad-speak. It would be tagged almost immediately as blatant advertising and speedily deleted under section Section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion. The proposed article requires a complete rewrite from a neutral point of view, with fundamental reliance for its content on citations to reliable, secondary sources that are entirely independent of the company and people involved in it and with Huthwaite. Avoid puff language, and write from a just-the-stark-facts perspective.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you should start with the opening. What "Lean Design" actually is, is hard to figure out. — nerdfighter 00:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about harassment

I'm editing some contentious wikipedia articles (men and feminism, feminist anthropology), and am having repeated problems with an IP address user on my user page - is there any way to make it stop?! Thebrycepeake (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If you are having problems with user pages or talk pages being vandalized after one particular user has been warned to stop, you can report them at WP:ARV WP:AIV. If you are suffering from prolonged harassment from multiple IPs or registered users, I would recommend posting a thread at the noticeboard here: WP:ANI. If you have any other questions or need clarification on a specific point, please feel free to contact me on my talk page! Ducknish (talk) 22:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I think he may have meant WP:AIV not WP:ARV — nerdfighter 22:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You are correct, my mistake. Ducknish (talk) 23:29, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

In addition, you may request temporary semi-protection of your user page from administrators at WP:RPP. This will keep IPs and non-autoconfirmed users from editing, and may give time for the heat to die down, so to speak. Ducknish (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

my wikipedia username is different from my wikimedia username

I'm new to wikipedia. I changed by username, but wikimedia still asks for my old username. What should I do?Dannb (talk) 20:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Dannb, welcome back to the Teahouse you're request for a name change is only applicable to this wiki - en.wikipedia.org. If you want to harmonise your username across other wikis like Wikimedia Commons then you need to make a separate request at each wiki or you can follow the process at meta wiki and ask for a global name change for those wikis where you have been active. NtheP (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

adding an image to a wikipedia artist's page

hi, how do I add an image to an already formatted gallery of 4 images across 4 images down?Dannb (talk) 17:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. You might be looking for the gallery tag. To use it, type in the following:

<gallery>
File:Wiki.png
File:Wiki.png|Captioned
</gallery>

Replace Wiki.png with the image you need and the caption. You can use the perrow, height and width to set it to 4 images up and 4images down. You can even use the Gallery template for a more advanced gallery building functionality. For more information about the gallery tag, see WP:GALLERY. Regards --Ushau97 ^talk 17:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Picture for Infobox

I'm not being able to change a pict for an infobox... I found this picture at wikimedia and i wanted to change the current for this one but i just couldnt. Can you help me on that. 430px-The_Edge_2011.jpg Miss Bono (talk) 13:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, if you edit the article you should see the infobox at the top. Look for the line that begins with |image = then you can fill it in with the image using the following syntax: |image = [[Image:This is my file name.PNG|250px]].

Hopefully this helps. Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 13:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Still doesn't work, when I show preview it shows me just the name of the picture with a link to it. Miss Bono (talk) 13:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

To add a little to that, in some infoboxes you only need to give the file name without the square brackets. For example: |image = This is my file name.PNG. You can usually find detailed information at the template page for the infobox. Chamal ^T•C 13:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I've already tried but doesn't work. there'something wrong about what I am doing.Miss Bono (talk) 13:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

If you could tell us what the article or infobox is, we can give a more specific and more helpful answer. Chamal ^T•C 13:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Oops!, sorry, is The Edge's article. lol, my bad. and this is the pict i want to post 430px-The_Edge_2011.jpg Miss Bono (talk) 14:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that there's no file of that name. Are you sure you have the filename right? Where has the file you're looking for been uploaded? Writ Keeper (t +

c) 14:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I made it. I was adding the 430px... Look this link and see how it looks like to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge Miss Bono (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

If you replace the line | image = The Edge 360 Tour Foxboro 2009.jpg with | image = The Edge 2011.jpg it should work. I only checked the preview but didn't save, so you can go ahead and add it. Detailed instructions on how to use the infobox can be found at Template:Infobox musical artist. Chamal ^T•C 14:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: I tried to post the picture on this link but it didn't allow me. http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeda:TheEdge.jpg. check that out, please. Miss Bono (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

That's because that image is at the Albanian Wikipedia. Since this is the English Wikipedia, we can only use images that have been locally uploaded here, or at Wikimedia Commons (which all Wikimedia projects can use, including the Wikipedias of various languages). Also, that image seems to be copyrighted and not under a free licence, so don't upload it here or at Commons. Chamal ^T•C 15:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Running STiki

Hi, I want to use STiki to revert vandalism. However, after unzipping the file and double-clicking the *JAR file, I still can't run STiki. Any idea what's wrong? Arctic Kangaroo 13:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Arctic Kangaroo, do you have the Java Runtime Enviroment installed on your computer? Since STiki is a Java program, you will need the JRE to run it. Chamal ^T•C 13:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I see. But unfortunately, I don't think I have it installed in my computer. Anyway, thanks for your help. Cheers, Arctic Kangaroo 13:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. If you don't have it you can download it from here. Hope this helps. --Ushau97 ^talk 16:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Adding a sketch from 1840 to page on Charles Turner Torrey

Re CT Torrey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Turner_Torrey), I've uploaded a sketch of him from an 1847 publication:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sketch_of_abolitionist_Charles_Turner_Torrey_%281813-1846%29.jpg)

But I'm having trouble getting it onto the page. Here's what I put on the edit page:

Alternative text

c. 1840, from Memoir of Rev. Charles T. Torrey, Joseph P. Lovejoy, ed. (Boston: John P. Jewett & Co.), 1847

The caption shows up, but not the sketch. Would greatly appreciate any advice. Thanks so much!Jmt2Jtm (talk) 12:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

PS--For some reason, what I put on the edit page isn't showing up in my message above. Maybe for the same reason the sketch isn't showing up on the CTT page??Jmt2Jtm (talk) 12:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jmt2Jtm. With images my suggestion is to always use copy and paste for the image name because if you get one character wrong, one difference in capitalization, etc. the image won't display. Here you uploaded

File:Sketch of abolitionist Charles Turner Torrey (1813-1846).jpg

but have been trying to use

File:Sketch of abolitionist Charles Turner Torrey.jpg

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:29, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed Arctic Kangaroo 12:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your quick reply! Here's what I put on the edit page (hope it will show up here):

A sketch of Torrey, c. 1840, from Memoir of Rev. Charles T. Torrey, Joseph P. Lovejoy, ed. (Boston: John P. Jewett & Co.), 1847

It's got the (1813-1846). Do you see anything else that might be preventing the sketch from showing up? Not sure if I should be leaving in the part about "Alternative text."

TY!Jmt2Jtm (talk) 12:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know why I can't get the text of what I'm putting on the edit page to show up in my questions... If it's not too much trouble, would it be possible for you to check the edit page for Torrey? What I've put shows up at the end of the first paragraph. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmt2Jtm (talk • contribs) 12:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

If you want to show the text of your link, you need to put the tags <nowiki>... </nowiki> around it, so [[File:Sketch of abolitionist Charles Turner Torrey (1813-1846).jpg|thumb|alt=Alternative text|A sketch of Torrey, c. 1840, from ''Memoir of Rev. Charles T. Torrey,'' Joseph P. Lovejoy, ed. (Boston: John P. Jewett & Co.), 1847]] - David Biddulph (talk) 13:06, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, David! So much for me to learn. I appreciate your help.Jmt2Jtm (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Arctic Kangaroo--I didn't realize your message "Fixed" meant the problem was fixed! Thanks so much--I appreciate your help!Jmt2Jtm (talk) 13:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)Jmt2Jtm (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

PS--So your fix was why the dates were showing up! Thanks for your good advice on cutting and pasting; did that from your fix and was able to add the sketch to the page Abolitionism.Jmt2Jtm (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

IRC

How to chat using IRC?--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 06:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, you can read these or directly connect clicking on "Connect" here. If you use any IRC chat client, you can access IRC from that too! --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

But how do I chat?--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 06:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You'll need an IRC client if you do not want to chat using the web browser. Ushau97 ^talk 06:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Deleting an article

Hi, can anyone tell me how to put an article up for deletion? Nick1372 (talk) 03:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Heya Nick, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sure. There are three deletion processes at Wikipedia.

1. For a limited number of reasons, an article may be "speedy deleted". However, those reasons are very specific and very limited in scope. You can read about them at WP:CSD and if you think one of them applies, you can attached the tag {{db-XX}} where XX is the specific code of the deletion rationale noted on the WP:CSD page.
2. For other articles which should be deleted, don't meet the "speedy deletion" criteria, but whose deletion would be entirely uncontroversial, there exists a tag called {{prod}} for "proposed deletion". Instructions for using the "prod" tag are at WP:PROD, and the instructions are fairly easy to follow, just read WP:PROD and if you have any questions specifically about using that tag, ask and someone will try to answer you.
3. For any deletion which is likely to raise some objections (i.e. you want it deleted, but it is possible someone could disagree with you), then you need to use the Articles for Deletion process. This involves starting a discussion that will run for a minimum of seven days whereby people discuss the merits of deleting the article or of keeping it. Instructions are at WP:AFD; it is more complex than a PROD tag, but again all of the instructions are there. If there's some part of those instructions that are hanging you up, again, please feel free to ask, but I'll not repeat them here in the interest of saving space.

Does that help? --Jayron32 04:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Jayron. That was very helpful. Nick1372 (talk) 04:45, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Image template

I am looking for a template or tag that will cycle through a series of images in one frame. Anyone know of anything like this?

— nerdfighter 00:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Why not just create and upload an animated gif file? — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 00:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I could I suppose.. I would prefer some sort of cycling template though — nerdfighter 01:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Templates, tags, and articles are static content. Making things change or move are dynamic functions that cannot be done with static methods. This leaves you two options to create dynamic content for pages when it comes to images. You can either create the image as an animated gif (using a program like UnFREEz) or you can write a JavaScript that will cycle through and change the images for you. If you wanted to go the JavaScript method, you would have to perfect your script and get it accepted (likely as a Gadget for quite some time) and for it to work for everyone, you would have to get your script called from MediaWiki:common.js which is quite frankly not likely. Your only other option I'm aware of is to create an animated gif. Then you are guaranteed that the most users will get to see the animation. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 01:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

How to add image in this page.

Hi,

Below is the link to wiki page for which I am trying to add an image.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhash_Mukhopadhyay_%28physician%29

I have uploaded the file in Wikimedia Commons.

File:Dr Subhash Mukhopadhy.jpg

Dr Subhash Mukhopadhy

URL:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr_Subhash_Mukhopadhy.jpg

But while I was editing the wiki page this file was not getting added to it.Can you please help me or guide me how to add image in this particular page.Already I have added one image in one of the wiki pages and I dint face any problem.It is this particular page where I am having trouble.

Thanking You in advance. Indrac2k (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I've added the image. I couldn't see any record of your trying to edit that article recently, so I'm not sure what you were trying to do and why you couldn't do it. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Is This a reliable Source??

www.thinklings.org Miss Bono (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the TeaHouse! I'm afraid that website would not usually be considered a reliable source, because it seems to be a blog (see: WP:BLOG WP:SPS#Self-published_sources). I hope you continue to contribute to Wikipedia! — nerdfighter 18:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Nerdfighter. The only blogs that are generally considered as reliable sources are those by professional journalists, with editorial control. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you guys!!... Loved your User pages!Miss Bono (talk) 19:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

What about this??? http://www.atu2.com Miss Bono (talk) 19:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Not really, some of there stuff comes from mainstream news sites but otherwise it's a [WP:FANSITE]]. From http://www.atu2.com/about/

"@U2 is NOT the band's official web site. Please do not email us trying to contact a band member, or trying to obtain press and/or fan club material. This site is not produced by, nor affiliated with, any or all members of U2 and/or its management. This site is produced by U2 fans for U2 fans."

It may be useful in giving you leads to reliable sources but isn't one itself. NtheP (talk) 19:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Rob and Trav

Dear editors: There's a page in the Afc queue (declined now) about a podcast by two guys, Rob and Trav. The user name is Robandtrav. I just thought I'd mention it since I've heard that people aren't supposed to share usernames, and since they are just new, maybe some advice from a host or admin could help them fix up the problem. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Anne and welcome back! I will leave a note on their talk. Thanks! Go Phightins! 19:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

creating pages which were deleted

Sir, ca i create pages which were created by other people and then deleted.i hope i get a quick reply.Uncletomwood (talk) 13:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Uncletomwood. Technically, yes, you can. However, it's usually a good idea to check with the administrator who originally deleted the page. When you look up the page title that you wish to create, you'll see a large red message saying that "A page with this title has previously been deleted...", this contains information about who deleted the article previously, and why. Assuming that the new version you propose would not be subject to deletion for the same reason as before, you're probably good to go, but it's nevertheless advisable to ask the deleting admin for an opinion first. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) From a technical standpoint, usually you can, except if the page was "salted"—the title protected from creation—usually because it was created persistently and deleted a number of times. But other titles that are not protection-created and are thus capable of being created, may or may not be properly recreated, depending on circumstances. An important issue is whether the page was deleted on the merits, typically through the articles for deletion process. If so, if the recreated article does not address the reason for the deletion, for example, it was deleted for lack of notability but the new article does not add reliable sources substantively treating the topic, then it is subject to immediate speedy deletion under section G4 of the criteria as a recreated page. Pages that are not deleted after discussion are generally deleted because of what the article said, rather than a consideration of whether the topic warrants an article, and so recreation is is permissible, but be sure to look at the reason for the deletion and don't repeat whatever mistake formed the basis. It might be good if you told us what page you are here about so an answer can be tailored to its specific considerations. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Remove "editing needed" notifications for casual readers?

Would it be possible to hide some (or all) of those boxes that indicate problems with an article for folks who are not logged in? It seems like every article on Wikipedia has some problem or other indicated with one of those boxes. They detract from the experience when I want to slip out of critic mode and just read about a topic. Why not make them visible only for people who've indicated that they are actively interested in editing by logging in? Nor min tx (talk) 12:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi No mintx. You might be better off proposing this at the Village Pump's technical board, but I suspect the answer would be no. As well as encouraging people to improve articles, most cleanup tags also act as caveats regarding the information presented to the reader - so that rather than take it on Wikipedia's say-so, the reader is advised that the text they're reading might not be as accurate as they expect. If you encounter an article that claims, "Yunshui is the current King of Prussia" we're far happier for you to do so if said article has a big disclaimer at the top that says, "This article may need additional references for verification". Yunshui 雲‍水 13:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting the Teahouse, Nor min tx. Please be aware that anyone can edit Wikipedia, whether or not they have an account. Lots of productive work is done by people without accounts, who are commonly called "IP editors" because they are identified by their IP address rather than a user name. That's another reason why we want to display those boxes to all readers. I have removed many of those boxes. I improv the article to solve the identified problem, then remove the box, or tag, as I call them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Sources for information

When I edit or write an article, which types of sources can I use, and which ones are the recomended ones?Michael.haephrati (talk) 09:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Reliable sources for guidance. Basically you should be looking for material published by someone with a good reputation for checking their facts. Roger (talk) 09:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Michael. Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we only publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves. Proper sourcing always depends on context; common sense and editorial judgment are an indispensable part of the process. For example, material such as an article book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable. And news reporting from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact (though even the most reputable reporting sometimes contains errors). News reporting from less-established outlets is generally considered less reliable for statements of fact. For more information about reliable sources see WP:RS. --Ushau97 ^talk 09:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

making a wikipedia book

I'm a teacher and heard someone talking about making a wikipedia book but selecting certain pages they wanted to include. I just created an account with wikipedia but don't see where to create a book.Can you tell me how to create a book?Tamielutz (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia! Good question! Unfortunately you'll have to have an account with 4 days and 10 edits (or request the 'confirmed' right here). If you've done that, then you should be able to create a book by going to the article you want to add to the book, looking under print/export in the left-hand navigation bar, and hitting "create book". Hope this helps,

^King Jakob _C2 20:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Given your stated intent, I have granted you confirmed status, so you need not wait the 4 days and ten edits. See Help:Books for more about the process. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Tamielutz, you may actually be referring to Wikibooks [1], where you can creat entire text books. Here at Wikipedia, we are not actually writing books but encyclopedic articles which have a few different standards than the other site. Please consider an account there as it may actually be what you are looking for.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Quotation

What's the code for quoting? Miss Bono (talk) 18:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you looking for <blockquote> ''Lorem ipsum'' </blockquote>? --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You will find some more information at the manual of style for quotations Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 10:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I was looking for the code to quote a person and to put his/her name below.Miss Bono (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

too many "citation needed" items in one article.

On the page "active listening" I counted no less than 41 instances of "citation needed" which almost seem to have been inserted at random and quite unnecessarily. They detract from the article by interrupting it to make no valid point. I mean, if someone says 'dogs often bark at night' does anyone really need to read citation needed and can't accept that as common knowledge? Moreover they all seem to have been inserted on May 12th.41.150.143.157 (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Active listening does have a lot of these entries because there are no citations, you could do some research and add the citations yourself. You may find some help at WP:citations Jodosma (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

In such a situation it would be better to add a suitable tag to the top of the page. Use {{unreferenced}} if there are no references at all or {{refimprove}} if there is at least one reference in the article. Roger (talk) 10:32, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

To respond more directly to your question, looking at the article, I don't agree that the statements that are asked to be cited are common knowledge – they all involve definition of terms and concepts related to human communication, and are unlikely to be the only possible ways of analyzing the subject. Searching for some of the more professionally-written phrases and excluding wiki mirrors yields pages like this one, which is a likely source of much of the material (or an infringing Wikipedia copy). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 11:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Quotations

Hi,

I've been reviewing this AFC submission, and I'm inclined to accept. However, it seemed like there are an awful lot of quotes, and I thought I'd get a second opinion about whether that's OK?

^King Jakob _C2 17:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

There's an app a shortcut for that: WP:QUOTATIONS. Does that help?--ukexpat (talk) 17:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Make it prose if there's really too much quote clutter. I try sticking to three block quotes. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Banning IP address

I am posting from the IP address of Western Heights High School in Rotorua, New Zealand. I would like to request that this IP address be banned from use. The address has been banned for the past three years due to over excessive vandalism, however this ban expired recently. I believe it would be best to ban our IP address pre-emptively to avoid any damage. Thank you. 124.157.100.134 (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Blocks and bans are not put in place preemptively. If the IP continues editing, it may be blocked from editing. — nerdfighter 23:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It's quite hard to find anything constructive in the contribution history of this IP. Another block may be necessary if the childish vandalism continues; will keep an eye on this for a while. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Chamal ^T•C 02:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make more sense for the school to place their own block in place to block "*wikipedia.org/w/index.php?*action=edit*" whereas the * are wildcards? That would prevent editing from the school and the school would have control to lift the ban for instructors and keep it for students as seen fit. The school's IT department should be able to set that up. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 01:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

My Company on Wikipedia the honest way

I believe Location3 Media is eligible for an entry on Wikipedia. We have been around for over 12 years and good sized, busy company. I understand why I as an employee can not write it. Would anyone be willing to write a non-basis article about us?SotoL3M (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi there! Welcome to Wikipedia. If you feel that Location3 Media meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines - the very important inclusion guidelines (i.e. it has a lot of press coverage), then you can submit it at the Requested articles page: Wikipedia:Requested articles. The top of that page has some good tips about submitting your request. Patience is a virtue - if Location3 is notable enough, the article will eventually get created. :) Thanks for your honesty, and for following our conflict of interest guideline. I hope you'll consider editing other content not related to your company. SarahStierch (talk) 21:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your advice. If I do see somewhere I can help the Wikipedia community, I will!67.50.159.58 (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, the case for notability does not look compelling. The first few pages of a Google search yields the company's own site and all the usual promotional sites (LinkedIn, etc.), just like thousands of other companies. A Google News search yields only a single hit – a simple inclusion in a list of 100 other similar companies. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

About references in templates

Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask about templates, but I need some help with the code of the {{CODATA2010}} template. It is possible to use this template as a reference with <ref>, and to additionally display a constant value with it, including a link to the CODATA value. But this link isn't inside a <ref> tag, like it can be seen in [[Atomic mass constant]]. If I add the ref tag, then the link is not correct, with the missing constant symbol at the URL end. For example: Right: http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?u Wrong: http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value? How can that be fixed? Or another way to display that reference link? I think the problem might be the template (for the constant variable) inside the URL. --[[User:KDesk|KDesk]] ([[User talk:KDesk|talk]]) 22:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC) :KDesk, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not totally sure I understand what you want to do but you can include the {{tl|CODATA2010}} template inside a set of <nowiki><ref></ref> tags but for it to work you have to switch off the inbuilt reference within the CODATA2010 template. You do this by setting the template parameter |ref= to no so </nowiki>

Notes

{{reflist}} |the constant u<ref>{{CODATA2010|constant=u|ref=no}}</ref> {{fake heading|sub=2|Notes}}

}}

Although you have the external link to NIST you lose the footnote to Mohr et al. Does this help you at all? NtheP (talk) 17:03, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi NtheP, that option seems good, as the reference to Mohr et al is the main page of the individual constants references, but we would loose the actual constant value in main text. The template is odd. I was searching for a way to display the value link inside <ref></ref> tags, but I can't make it work. I don't know what would be better, maybe to display something like one of these:

Display both references:

The value is 1.660538921(73)×10⁻²⁷ kg

Display the value reference as link, and the CODATA2010 ref.

The value is 1.660538921(73)×10⁻²⁷ kg

Display only the value reference as link.

The value is 1.660538921(73)×10⁻²⁷ kg

But I don't know how to do any of the necessary changes, they always break the template.--KDesk (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I understand know what you want to do. Is it this?

The constant u (value 1.660538927(73)×10⁻²⁷ kg)

i.e. take the link out of the main text and make it a reference instead? if so that requires a change to the coding of the template. NtheP (talk) 23:19, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, exactly :) It is currently so:

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?{{CODATA2010/abbrev|{{{constant}}}}}

but when I try to put it inside <ref></ref> tags, the link breaks, as it does not include the constant symbol (in this case the u). Although it can be put inside  tags, so maybe it has something to do with the way the {{reflist}} template works. --KDesk (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

KDesk, I don't know how to solve this one but I've asked the question at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 132#Template edit request so we'll see what comes back. NtheP (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

NtheP, thank you for your help and for asking the question in Village pump! --KDesk (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

I resolved this issue WP:Village pump (technical)#Template edit request by creating {{CODATA2010/sandbox2}}. The problem with using the <ref>...</ref> tags was that because it is inside a template, it wasn't parsing the variables/arguments passed into it as is described on MW:Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Substitution and embedded parser functions. Using that resource, I was able to fix your reference by using the tag like {{#Tag:ref|(details)}}.

Markup	Renders as
{{CODATA2010|constant=u|ref=no|link-to-value=yes}} {{reflist}}	1.660538927(73)×10−27 kg

If you need help adding any more details to your reference, I would be happy to help. Just send me a shout out on my talk page. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 23:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

How can I get my saved data back and am I blocked from editing my page?

HI new here and I was working on editing an article but someone keep undoing my work. (7,577 bytes) (-8,837)‎ . . I know I cant do my editing. I can't find my saving. and this is the message I go from the other editor (( Sorry, before adding new information, do not change the standard style of the layout, I have save new information, later work on it.. (TW)) (undo).

Is the (TW) function to block me from working on the page, and how can I unblock myself and get me data back? Demakaz (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Demakaz. I see there is a discussion at Talk:Ingrid Mattson which discusses this. I see that at least one other editor has stepped forward to volunteer to help you properly integrate the information you have added to the article. It seems that the issue is that many of your changes have messed up the formatting and style of the page, and have made it so that it isn't compliant with Wikipedia:Manual of style. I would take that editor at his word; he says he needs some time to go over your additions and clean them up. Just give them some time to work, and see what they come up with. Patience here is the key, especially where someone has come forward and offered to help. Your edits have not been lost, you can find them if you look at the history of the article in question. You also have not been blocked from anything, but someone has asked you nicely to give them a chance to look over what you added so they can work on it and help it become even better. Just wait a few days and see if Justice007 can't help clean up your additions. I hope that helps! --Jayron32 02:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, welcome to the Teahouse! The TW just means they used a tool called "Twinkle" to make the change. The edit you made is still available here, but I'd suggest you consider using more reliable sources, and more neutral terms if you plan to make the edit again. You may just wish to continue discussing it on the talkpage, which I see you're already doing :) gwickwire^talk_editing 02:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my question and I trust that the other editor will help me, but I was trying to learn things on my own.Demakaz (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Gossip/Opinion columns on the Wiki

I have just left my comments on the talk page of THIS article. Are we to allow this sort of stuff? What has leaving opinions to do with Wikipedia? For myself I don't believe The Clash deserve such massive attention. If this is the kind of thing Wikipedia stands for then I may well retire from any future participation Jodosma (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Jodosma, are you talking about the section on genres? The questions posed are not asking for opinions about the merit/quality of the songs but what musical genre each song belongs to. Believe it or not, the genre songs and musicians should be assigned to is one of the more contentious issues found on wikipedia. I think the purpose of the wikiproject page you are looking at is somewhere to discuss this in relation to the music of the Clash rather than it become an Wikipedia:edit war on article pages.

Music articles aren't anywhere high on my list of interests either but with over 4,000,000 articles on Wikipedia to chose from, it's easy to ignore those areas that don't take your fancy and concentrate on those areas that you do find interesting. NtheP (talk) 22:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

In case it not clear (it was not to me initially) the question is about a project page, not a Wikipedia main space article. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 22:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I can cool off a bit now and concentrate on more interesting things. Ciao. Jodosma (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

References do NOT post with my draft article

My submission contains dozens of references, but they do not copy to the page when I post the article for review. Thus, it looks like I have no support. Nothing could be further from the truth. Filmian (talk) 20:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Filmian

Moved from bottom — nerdfighter 20:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest that you read WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Wizard for events

The wizard for biographies states that someone who is notable only for a single action should be referenced in an event article. I did not find a wizard for creating an event article.

The specific person is "Ron White (memory_expert), USA Memory Champion in 2009 and 2010" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_White_(disambiguation) . Should there be a biography or simply an reference in an event article?

http://mnemotechnics.org/wiki/Ron_White http://www.ronwhitetraining.com/about-ron-white-memory-expert http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/03/01/4652849/memory-champion-ron-white-honors.html Cwhii (talk) 15:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Ron White looks like an interesting character. Since some of the articles about him that you presented are not related to the event, but to his other notable tasks, I think a good case can be made that he should have a biographical article, rather than simply being named in the event article. I hope that's helpful! Keihatsu ^talk 19:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Descretionary Sanctions template

Hi, regarding this talk page tag which appears at Transcendental Meditation talk: {{discretionary sanctions|topic=tm}}

• At present it only appears on the talk page of the one, main article (above). Would it be proper and useful for me to add it to the talk pages of other articles in the topic area? I like to do it but don't know what the protocol is on this. I notice that the Abortion topic has it on multiple talk pages within the topic area.
• I could not find any info about this at WP:TEMPLATE and when I posted this question on one of the ArbCom clerks talk page, he/she did not respond. Does anyone know about this? Thanks, — Keithbob • Talk • 15:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I would ask again with arbcom and let them know this has been brought up here. I feel this may not be appropriate to add to any article that does not have the actual warning. I know that doesn't sound fair , but it could be seen as inappropriate to others. But I will say...you deserve a Teahouse badge for this excellent question!--Amadscientist (talk) 15:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. Wow, we don't often get ArbCom related questions here. I would ask ArbCom formally at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment as your question involves a clarification over the results of one of their rulings. In general, it's a bad idea to modify the results of an ArbCom decision unilaterally, so by asking for a clarification you can find out if the non-placement of the tag at other articles was an oversight or deliberate. Otherwise, it's best not to change anything without an ArbCom statement. The ArbCom pages are a bit arcane, so if you need any help filing a formal Request for Clarification, let us know here and we'll try to help you work through the technical issues. Does that help? --Jayron32 15:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Great answer Jayron, (and thank you Amadscientist too!) I'll post a note at RCA as you suggested. Good idea!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

PS I've noticed that the caliber of editors here is very high and its a good place to get any kind of info whether one is a beginner or an advanced editor. Hat's off to all the knowledgeable and helpful editors here!! -- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:31, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Problems with Citations in Matthew Locricchio article

This is my first article. I've struggled to correct the errors noted: improper formatting of inline citations, unclear citation style, bare URLs for citations. I'd be grateful for any specific help.

Richard RichardKFarley (talk) 14:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

• Hey Richard and welcome to the Teahouse! As for the formatting of inline citations, I think you are doing all right there...that basically means that you add a citation next to what it substantiates. The bare URLs means that, when citing web sources, you only put the URL, not other information such as the author, publisher, date of access, date of publication, etc. There is a really easy way you can do full citations. I the main editing interface, there are four tabs: advanced, special characters, help, and cite. Choose cite and then click on the drop down menu of templates selecting web. Input the information, click insert, save the page, and you have a well-formatted citation. The unclear citation style is roughly the same thing. I hope this helps, if not, let me know and I can fix one of them for you, so you can get an example. Thanks, and happy editing! Go Phightins! 14:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Contacting a user by eMail

Hello, I would like to know how to tell if a user has an eMail account, and if so how to display it, to send a private message? Vicentealvarez2 (talk) 14:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vincente and welcome to the Teahouse. Some users have email enabled, some do not. If you want to see if a user does, go to their user page, and then look in the "toolbox" on the left hand side of the screen under the Wikipedia logo and links to the main page, etc. and see if you have the option to "email this user". If you do, then you can email them, if not, then they do not have email enabled. Go Phightins! 14:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the prompt response, and sorry for re-asking, I just noticed it was in the archives. Still learning... Vicentealvarez2 (talk) 14:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, and no problem at all. Feel free to drop by any time you have any questions. Happy editing! Go Phightins! 14:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hodopathy

I had created an article on hodopathy,a type of alternative medicine originating in Jharkand,it made no reference to any compan but was speedily deleted under G11?.why?.The article mad no reference to any company and had sources and citations....Uncletomwood (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tom. Perhaps you could ask the deleting administrator to provide a copy of the article in your userspace so I can take a look and try to help you out. Writ Keeper! Are you out there? Nthep, in two days, are you out there ! We'll try to take a look and help you out Tom. Thanks. Your future adopter (see the note I left you on my talk), Go Phightins! 12:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Without being able to see the content of the article, I can not tell you. However, what I may suggest is that you re-create your article in your userspace, possibly here, and at the very top of the page, include {{Userspace draft}}. I would be happy to look at it and make some suggestions. If there is nothing wrong with the article, you could then request it be moved to the proper page name. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 13:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)