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Thornhill, Dumfries page.

Hi, having read the info on the above page I can't agree with some of it, Thornhill goes back a lot further than 1717 for a start and New Dalgarnock was situated up at Townhead Street which is known as the Auld Toon, not on the A76. All this information and more is in the book, Thornhill and it's worthies, by Joseph Laing Waugh, [1913]. How do I go about editing the page to correct the misinformation?

Cheers, Tam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totebal (talk • contribs) 13:26, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Tam. You're welcome to go right ahead and edit the article Thornhill, Dumfries and Galloway directly, especially if you've got a published source for the information you want to add. (Look at Referencing for beginners to see how to add the references). But if you're unsure, posting a suggestion on the talk page Talk:Thornhill, Dumfries and Galloway would be a good start. --ColinFine (talk) 13:42, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Page

Why can’t I edit Janhvi Kapoor Page? It has prevented for vandalism and I would like to know when will it be open for other editors as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poddiya (talk • contribs) 14:19, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Poddiya:, The page is protected to prevent vandalism. You can edit it when the protection expires. I consider adding it to your watchlist and you will know when the page gets unprotected. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 14:40, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Alternatively, Poddiya, you can make an edit request on the article's talk page Talk:Janhvi Kapoor. --ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

A question on formatting.

OK, I recently saw a list of names in the article for Redding, California, and it was set up in a format I could not understand why it appeared as it did, especially why the second line looks darkened. I pasted the list below, and am just wondering what makes it look so. Thanks for the help. "

• Leo Perez

      • Principal

• Heath Bunton - Assistant Principal
• Shane Kikut - Assistant Principal
• Scott Tyler - Activities Director
• Brian McIntire - Athletic Director
• Travis Bassham - Attendance

" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mulstev (talk • contribs) 16:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

It was actually in this article Shasta High School and I have fixed it, you were using the wrong symbol for the list a"•" instead of a "*". Theroadislong (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Why are there so many rude, condescending people on here?

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Why is there so much rudeness? Aren't we all here for the sharing and gathering of knowledge? I expected more professional and polite attitudes from the most well-known encyclopedia on the internet. --Vigilante Girl (talk) 23:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Please sign your posts, like this one. People are expected to be civil, and rudeness has no place here. You can ignore those being rude, warn them later, and in severe instances, report them at WP:AIV. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 23:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I apologize for not signing. I tend to forget. Thank you for the advice, I will do so. :) --Vigilante Girl (talk) 23:30, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Vigilante Girl. You freely chose a clearly controversial username, and you chose to write a mildly confrontational userpage, and you chose to involve yourself in highly controversial topic areas like the Kiev/Kyiv naming controversy, apparently without studying the extensive previous discussions about this issue. So, I am not sure who you are accusing of rudeness, but did you really expect to be greeted with flowers? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Vigilante Girl, I'm sorry to hear that you have encountered problems with some editors. Unfortunately, considering the number of people who volunteer on Wikipedia, I suppose it is inevitable that some would be unprofessional and/or impolite. On the other hand, I won't name names, but I think back to two editors whose encouragement kept me working on here when I all but gave up soon after I started. They patiently explained how to navigate difficulties that had frustrated me almost to the point of quitting. As a result, I am now in my fifth year of contributing in my small way to this work-in-progress encyclopedia. I have also found many useful comments in the Teahouse and Help pages that have aided my work. Please don't let some bad experiences turn you away from Wikipedia. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The only rudeness I noticed on Talk:Kiev came from Vigilante Girl. I advise editing in good faith, sans emotion.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Vigilante Girl: Like you, I see no reason for rudeness when engaging with other editors here. Sometimes "tone of voice" is extremely hard to discern in another editor's post, and we all need to assume good faith, and not over-react. I fear that this diff of yours rather rather undermines your concerns and only serves to escalate issues. I'd have hoped you'd have seen that raising an issue that had been raised and dismissed many times before without showing any intent to read and understand those past discussions is almost inevitably going to elicit the firm but nevertheless polite response that you received. If you can meet what you perceive as rudeness with politeness of your own, you will be playing your part in keeping our editing environment 'safe and pleasant' for everyone. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Quisqualis:I do edit in good faith, and I was no ruder than the person being rude to me. --Vigilante Girl (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328:You are a perfect example of a horribly rude and condescending attitude. My username is not controversial and my userpage is not meant to be confrontational. I wanted to stop vandals like the guy who vandalized the Sea Otter page. Also, I'd rather not be greeted with rudeness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers --Vigilante Girl (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The word "vigilante" has the connotation of acting outside the law and may easily be seen as signifying a lack of respect for rules, regulations, and proper procedure. An impression that you seemed to confirm with the statement "why should I check edits from the past" when it was pointed out to you that this had already been discussed and decided against (many times, including one quite recent discussion). Your seeming unfamiliarity with move procedures ("And what do you mean by "non-formal requests"? Is my language somehow not formal enough for you?") also shows, at the very least, a lack of knowledge of the rules. --Khajidha (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

And it can also mean a server of justice who isn't law enforcement. Also, me not knowing stuff doesn't give anyone the right to be rude to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers --Vigilante Girl (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

And vigilantism is generally held to be illegal and vigilantes are looked upon as criminals. The term is not one that inspires confidence. And, as several others have mentioned, no one has been rude to you. Your user page injunction that "there's no need to explain to me what Wikipedia is. ", on the other hand, comes off as rather dismissive and shows an unwillingness to learn. An unwillingness that you continue to display here. Not to mention the fact that if you really know what you're doing, then you don't really fall under the category of newcomer and your constant quoting of "don't bite the newcomers" (with no evidence of any actual "biting") is inappropriate. You can't have it both ways.--Khajidha (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

So what? Vigilantes can also be heroes who help people. And yes they have been rude to me. And what I meant by that was no need to explain that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and all that. I'm not being anymore dismissive than you are. You and them are being rude to me and I will NOT stand for it. If Wikipedia really is filled with rude, condescending people, then I'll just quit. I will NOT accept your hypocritical hierarchy and I will NOT be bullied by people who always get off scot-free. I have enough crap to deal with in my life, I don't need more. --Vigilante Girl (talk) 18:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I you have experienced "so many" rude people here, I am very sorry. I've been around since 2008, logged in, and as an IP even before that. I cannot fairly say thet I think there are "so many" rude people. But there are indeed some. Nobody is supposed to get away with it. The ones who do are well-connected with others of the same ilk who will defend them no matter what they do. Consensus rules with no regard to justice, i.e. if a majority of such people hate you for some reason, you're in big trouble. Some even swoop in from other language projects, just to argue some pet peeve of theirs, in groups akin to packs of wolves. Others who get away with being rude are such sarcastically skilfull and hard-to-handle bullies that hardly anyone has the energy or guts to stand up to them. There are very few rude people here, in my opinion. The ones there are should always be reported when evidence of rudeness is crystal clear. More of them should get blocked than traditionally are. We all deserve an inspiring working envoronment. Best wishes, --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, "so many" was a hyperbole. Thank you for your advice and info. --Vigilante Girl (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Vigilante Girl I don't know if this parable will help, but fwiw, here ya go:

A traveler came upon an old farmer hoeing in his field beside the road. Eager to rest his feet, the wanderer hailed the countryman, who seemed happy enough to straighten his back and talk for a moment.

“What sort of people live in the next town?” asked the stranger.

“What were the people like where you’ve come from?” replied the farmer, answering the question with another question.

“They were a bad lot. Troublemakers all, and lazy too. The most selfish people in the world, and not a one of them to be trusted. I’m happy to be leaving the scoundrels.”

“Is that so?” replied the old farmer. “Well, I’m afraid that you’ll find the same sort in the next town.

Disappointed, the traveler trudged on his way, and the farmer returned to his work.

Some time later another stranger, coming from the same direction, hailed the farmer, and they stopped to talk. “What sort of people live in the next town?” he asked.

“What were the people like where you’ve come from?” replied the farmer once again.

“They were the best people in the world. Hard working, honest, and friendly. I’m sorry to be leaving them.”

“Fear not,” said the farmer. “You’ll find the same sort in the next town.”

Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Though I certainly recognize good intentions in this story, I cannot support a thought that looks like an excuse for unacceptable behavior, the excuse being that well-behaved people also exist. Good people should be encouraged and thanked. Incorrigibly bad ("rude, condescending people") should be blocked. No exceptions. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:00, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I think you missed the entire point of the story. It isn't excusing unacceptable behavior at all. It is stating that your own nature/behavior is a major factor in how you perceive the behavior of others/how others behave towards you. If a person is a jerk, they will often find the world around them to be full of jerks. --Khajidha (talk) 13:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I share your feelings and experiences. I've come to believe that all of the references to "community" in Wikipedia were put there by a handful of optimistic users who have probably long since left or been run off by attackers. I have not had a single pleasant interaction with another contributor over two years and many have actually been hostile. I had silly dreams of collaboration and group learning which have all been replaced with a general fear, similar to a person who won't answer their phone or front door. Every user I have spoken to sternly believes that THEY ARE WIKIPEDIA and I am a homeless man with a sharpie marker and a slice of cardboard. A great recent example: someone dug into challenging something I put some work into. They wrote pages and pages of ranting fussiness about every possible lack and weakness in my article, tags and more tags. They even went on to hassle the five or so people to approved and defended the piece and called all of them idiots. I corrected and improved every detail they mentioned, and they just kept cutting me down. I considered that they probably spent at least 5 hours complaining and never edited one character. Great community. So, I actually asked them directly and honestly: you spent many hours lecturing and soapboxing, why couldn't you take 5 seconds to fix something? What are you contributing here exactly? pages more of angry defensiveness and a big "It's not my responsibility". Sweet. I looked into my friend in hopes of discovering he was a 13 year old in treatment...only to find a top 1,000 editor with awards and history galore. This IS Wikipedia folks. So I read through some of his recent work, and guess what? I found several things which needed correcting right away...even some heavy bias in political matters and living bios. So I took my friends example and I "alerted him to the issues" and tagged the pages (but didn't touch a word). Dude lost his freaking mind and almost made me feel unsafe for a couple days. How dare I? .....and then he fixed the problems, lol.

I stay here because I love to write and research and I'm looking forward to library card privileges after 500 edits. Wikipedia community? thats rich. Luke Kindred (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Geez, overly dramatic much? If you and VigilanteGirl find the environment here so hostile, I have to wonder how you function in society. --Khajidha (talk) 18:39, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

That is a welcoming and encouraging response. I am certain that they can handle it especially of their exercise in WP is to not let it become accepted to them as personal. Why encountering attitude? Look at the world. What has been done to avoid "X" and then after the fact we find out that "X" was not avoided. It takes a lot of training to always be pleasant and sometimes people intentionally or unintentionally let it out. No one has yet figured just how to unbite the apple that Eve gave Adam. Another example just because of it being more recent, communism, just like any other system supposedly was to solve a prior fault then we find out that the fault was not avoided but just surpassed. With every additional layer there is not some avoidance of inconvenience and disappointment but just another means of exhibiting. Oh, the internet--the whole life blood of what is intended WP, uses an impersonal, anonymous means of reacting to others that provides only as a means of damage someone's mind rather than physical being. It is like the use of a nuclear bomb with a nearby black hole; potential to destroy and not leave a mess to clean up until we find out what happens to stuff in a black hole. Can a Utopia really exist without there being a puppet master?2605:E000:9149:8300:193B:3F53:BB51:A254 (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Article Ratings

Most articles have ratings. Stub, A, B, C start etc. but this one - a fairly major one has unknown - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion_engineering . I assume because this was done so long ago before the ratings system came in on Wikipedia. Anyway, I am generally curious. I assume it is not a big deal - or is it one that does need rating? GRALISTAIR (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey GRALISTAIR, welcome to the Teahouse. The ratings and tagging system is supported by various Wikiprojects that use the system in various ways. For some Wikiprojects, like the Military History project, the rating system is heavily used and is important to the project. Other wikiprojects don't place as much of an emphasis on the actual ratings. All articles should at least have a Wikiproject tag, with or without a rating. You are correct that many articles were created before the current tag system, meaning that they haven't been tagged yet. I've added the Wikiproject Engineering tag to the article's talk page. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 17:27, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Gronk Oz and Graham87

Sir,

Thank you for your invitation. Just to let you know that on the controversial Telfer mine & Jean-Paul Turcaud 's pages, I have provided to Messrs Gronk Oz & Graham87 a most thorough & comprehensive answer.

In such, I pointed that such Wikipedia articles were biaised by wilfull & successful attempts to delude the Free Encyclopedia & derogatory presentation on a page called: Jean-Paul Turcaud ( my name) which was badly documented and a deliberate character ' assassination indeed. Completely brushing aside the outmost Geology acumen of said Turcaud in bringing the whole Great Sandy Desert to life for the good of 1000s.

I wish a proper review of such documents could take place, both for the sake of fairness and the respect of the Truth.

I gave in my recent mails all due references & noted respectable people in WA to call upon.

Yours sincerely
Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration geologist
Australia mining ⚒ Pioneer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basalt3711 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy links: Telfer Mine, Jean-Paul Turcaud. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:33, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

The reverts of you additions to Telfer Mine and Telfer, Western Australia by Graham87 had nothing to do with his knowledge of the topic, nor any attempt to suppress what you hold to be the truth of the matter. Rather, any content added to these articles must be in Wikipedia format and citations be reliable sources. For you and many, many other editors, the fact that truth without verifiability will not be allowed is a severe disappointment. There may well be people in WA who would confirm your position on this topic, but that counts for nothing. If you can provide published documents, do so. P.S. All Gronk Oz did was explain to you what happened. David notMD (talk) 19:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Update to a Wikipedia Page

Hello,

I work for an ad agency, and one of our clients has asked us to update their Wikipedia Page. We have all of the content approved and we are ready to update the page. Can someone please tell me how to do it?

Here is the page that needs the update:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyenovia

Thank you!

Sheree Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shereemartin2010 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Shereemartin2010: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Before you do anything else, you must review and comply with the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy; the latter is a Terms of Use requirement and not optional. I would give you a short answer to your question in that you should not attempt to 'update' the article(not just 'page') yourself. You can, however, make a formal edit request on the article talk page, detailing the changes you feel are needed.

I would caution you, however, that the Wikipedia article about your client does not belong to your client, and your client has no more rights to it than any other editor. Though we welcome their input, the article will not reflect how the subject wants to describe themselves, but how they are described by independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 18:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Per what 331dot wrote, you must declare 'paid' on your user page. For the article in question, KeEvans, the creator did exactly that. You could copy/paste to your User page. With that done, the next step is to create a new section on the article's talk page. There specifically describe what you want to change and what you want to change it to. Other editors will review and either implement the change, or not. David notMD (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramrxrx3 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

The teahouse is not the place for a draft article, so I have collapsed its display. If you want to submit User:Ramrxrx3/sandbox for AFC review, the way to do it is to add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:14, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia page update assistance / 2018 data updates for info box

May I get someone's help in updating the information box for Interactive Brokers?

Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Brokers

The 2018 statistics have not been added.

As I work for the company - and to be honest am not 100% familiar with Wikipedia regulations and formatting - I am requesting 3rd party assistance as the updates I made directly were reverted.

These are the 6 info box updates:

1) Revenue $1.9 billion (2018)

Source: 2019 10-K p. 35 https://investors.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php

2) Operating income $1.2 billion (2018)

Source: Website: https://investors.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=2334

3) Net income $1.1 billion (2018)

Source 2018 10-K p.35 https://investors.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=2244

4) Total assets $60.5 billion (2018)

Source: 2018 10-K p.36 https://investors.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=2244

5) Total equity $7.2 billion (2018)

Source: Press Release 1/22/19 4Q 2018 results: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190122005875/en/Interactive-Brokers-Group-Announces-4Q2018-Results

6) Number of employees 1,413 (2018)

Source: 2018 10-K: https://investors.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=2244

Thank you very much for your assistance. Kalenholliday (talk) 14:16, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done @Kalenholliday: Actually it was all in the 2018 10K, which I cited with the more specific link that goes directly to the document. I did the same for the 2017 10K. This allows readers to go directly to the source without having to navigate through menus as well as making successful archival (at archive.org) more likely. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• • Kalenholliday. Two things. One, as you are an employee of the subject of the article and you are making edits as a part of your job, you are a WP:PAID editor and are required to make certain declarations about that. This needs to be taken care of immediately. Second, every source you've provided is based on press releases from the company. You need truly secondary sources. John from Idegon (talk) 23:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Unsure of how to request protection for a page (Anti-Iranian Sentiment) which make be under attack by one or more vandals

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Greetings, while I have exercised good faith to the best of my abilities, it appears that the Anti-Iranian sentiment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) page is under attack. User User talk:UCaetano engaged in Edit-Warring by removing a revision that brought back a controversial and well-documented (across several mediums) fact that DC_Comics 's well known Batman: A Death in the Family story arc involved a plot point where the Joker_(character) gasses the UN Assembly on behalf of Iran, as its ambassador. Various sources have stated that this was done during peak strain between the US and Iran. It led to the creation of the fictional nation-state Qurac as a replacement for Iran in future prints. This fact (undeniable as comic prints of it have been scanned, DC staff interviewed, etc) was in earlier versions of "Anti-Iranian Sentiment". User AntiRacistZwei (who brought this to my attention) had brought back the information and clarified various tid-bits in the article. Soon after, UCaetano began an edit war and accused AntiRacistZwei of "Weasel talk" (eventhough the given sources were already a part of the article), and after several edits (including my own to fix grammar), accused myself of "Edit-Warring". I initially had chosen to engage peacefully and to de-escalate, explaining my relation to Anti-Racist-Zwei and our aim to clean up/verify the article. The user ignored the message and soon after, undid the entire edit. I once again looked at UCaetano's page to contact them, however, I noticed something alarming on their Talk page and it appears that this individual has vandalized other pages then threatened to report users for "Edit-Warring". [[[User talk:Tim.thelion]] brought this up with UCaetano on May 2018 on their talk page, which resulted in UCaetano claiming that UCaetano had reported Tim and that Tim the Lion should avoid "edit warring", eventhough UCaetano was being questioned by Tim on possibly-hostile Re-visionary behavior (IE, Vandalism). Having said that, it is alarming that this user would edit a page that is centered around discrimination against an entire Population. I am unable to install Twinkle as I do not have Java on my computer, however, I have done my best to place a protection request on the page. Please assist me if possible on finding a way to seek protection for the page, if I have not done an adequate job (or let me know of a proper method outside of Twinkle). Thank you for your time, in advance. Rodianreader (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Rodianreader and welcome to the Teahouse. Since you seem quite new to Wikipedia editing (perhaps you're not but your account is only a couple of days old), the best thing to do when you are faced with a content dispute is to typically try and resolve it through talk page discussion per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Immediately labeling other editors as WP:VANDALs is not always productive as explained in WP:USTHEM.

The next thing is that page protection is only applied when there is some serious disruption going on and only typically after attempts to resolve the matter in other ways have been tried and proved to be unsuccessful. Only an administrator can protect a page and a request to do so needs to be made at WP:RPP; you don't make requests like you tried to do here. Whether there enough disruption to warrant page protection is something that the administrator reviewing your request will determine, but with none those involved currently trying to resolve things through discussion on the article's talk page, there's a good chance the request will be declined (at least in my opinion). -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your insight! This was attempted, however, the User began making threats towards Anti-Racist-Zwei and falsely accused myself of Edit-Warring (I had fixed some grammatical placements). Unsure of how to move forward other than to request assistance. Rodianreader (talk) 03:03, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Rodianreader. The proper place to discuss the content dispute is Talk:Anti-Iranian sentiment where no conversation has taken place since May. Please be aware that political hostility against the Iranian regime is very different from ethnic hatred against Iranian/Persian people, many of whom oppose that regime. That distinction must be kept clear. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:10, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Being part Persian, I do my best to avoid biases. And while I am aware of the distinction, I myself have experienced many painful instances of discrimination as well as physical beatings by (shall I say) racist individuals. The post-Bush propaganda has not helped. I will however, point out, that DC Comics as well as the 300 film(s) have not helped as in my experience, it has fueled psychological dislike towards my secondary ethnic group (and on a personal level, myself). As an academic, however, I must point out instances (such as the ones AntiRacistZwei brought up) where Iranians are targeted and made fun of. An example was Saddam's usage of the word yellow. I have relatives in Iran who are of asian-Iranian descent and I am aware (through study) of discrimination by other ethnic groups in the region (not necessarily Iranians, but other tribes, etc). While I am keeping this short, I will say: It does not help that there are those who censor these things for political gain. It hurts people and it creates academic blackouts (removal of information). Rodianreader (talk) 03:15, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Please read through WP:RGW because Wikipedia is not really the place to resolve this sort of matter. I also suggest you read WP:BOOMERANG, WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:OUTING now that you started a discussion about this at WP:ANI. —- Marchjuly (talk) 03:27, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Rodianreader, Wikipedia is not an advocacy website and it never will be. The neutral point of view is a core content policy. Following that policy is mandatory. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:33, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Cullen, as mentioned, I clearly stated that I avoid personal biases, though I have experienced the very dangers of misinforming a population about an ethnic group. My complaint is that UCaetano erased entire segments of the article including clarifications and grammatical fixes. When asked why, he escalated. Lastly, I've done my best to verify and re-check sources on the article. Would you please visit the page and verify my claims? Surely, you will notice why I'm concerned and/or alarmed. Thanks Rodianreader (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Rodianreader, what I notice is that you are not discussing this matter at Talk:Anti-Iranian sentiment, which is the proper place to discuss the content dispute. Why are you unwilling to discuss this issue in the proper place? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:36, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Both Antiracistzwei and Rodianreader have been blocked for sock-puppeting. UCaetano (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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How do you create a wikipedia page?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob Bubbles (talk • contribs) 22:06, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Bob Bubbles:Here's the info you need Help:Your first article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:36, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, Bob Bubbles. Welcome to Wikipedia. Creating a new article on Wikipedia is one of the hardest tasks any editor can achieve here. It's often well worth newcomers spending quite some time doing simple editing first, so that you slowly get a feel for how things work, and how references are deployed. Every new topic has to be 'Notable' according to Wikipedia's own standards. So you'd first of all gather together all the independent, detailed and [[WP:RS|Reliable sources] that you can find, and use them as the basis of writing a new page, completely in your own words without any copy/pasting of copyrighted text. I can point you towards The Wikipedia Adventure for a fun tour of the basics of editing, plus Help:Your first article and Wikipedia:Tutorial for the basics guidance you'll need. We could drown you in guidance pages and polciy documents, but those should see you on your way. Creating a 'Draft' article and then submitting it for review when it's ready is the best way to go, and avoids the disappointment of having your work summarily deleted if it fails to meet our editing criteria. We're here to help with difficulties in editing should you need us. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:40, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Bob Bubbles. I noticed that Nick Moyes forgot to add a bracket, so here's the link to the guide about reliable sources if you're interested in checking it out. Clovermoss (talk) 01:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to Article blocked

Hello,

I wish to put my draft article back in the sandbox so I can modify it because it is not ready for publication, please can you help me

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatmanSA1 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't need moving back to your sandbox. You can edit it at Draft:Richard Phelps Gough for as long as you need to before you submit it for AFC review. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@PatmanSA1: Your draft will be safe there, and would only be liable to be deleted were you to abandon it completely and not edit it for 6 months. Stale drafts do then get deleted. But I must say, as a first draft for a new editor, it's looking really good. I'm assuming you're working off microfiche records of the newspapers? Is there any chance of you including page numbers in each of the citations? The key thing I feel you'll need to do is to tease out evidence to show how he meets our notable people criteria, rather than it being a well-researched biography of a non-notable sea captain. I'm sure you can do it (though why you started work on it on French Wikipedia, I really don't understand) But when it is ready to go into 'mainspace' I would really like to encourage you to consider submitting it for our Did You Know...? slot on the main page of Wikipedia. It's a great way to showcase brand new articles like this, and you would have seven days from the time it goes into mainspace to submit it for DYK. It can be a bit of a nightmare to understand the rules at first, but it's rewarding to see great articles being showcased. I could imagine a hook along the lines of: "Did you know...that Captain Richard Phelps Gough became a sailor at 14 and went round Cape Horn at least ten times during his 50 year career at sea?" Good luck with it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:30, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

One of the things you'll need to do is to remove the large number of misplaced external links from the article text. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:58, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Good point about the external links. The article WP:In-line citations explains how to format your citations using citation templates, so that they appear in an orderly fashion at the end of your article.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand

I don't understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.230.129 (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP 72.95.230.129. Is there something about Wikipedia or Wikipedia editing that you don't understand? If there is and you can be more specific, then perhaps someone can try to help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Whats wrong with this

<misplaced draft redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwaipayangreenreef (talk • contribs) 10:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

This isn't the place for a draft, so I've deleted it. All you needed to do was to link to Premjit Sen. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

editing Title

I'm wondering how you edit the spelling in the title. Article is about a person and the first name has letters inverted. "Ronald" should be "Roland". This can confuse anyone looking for this individual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmdk1955 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

​To rename a page, it is moved from it's current name to a new one. As users require autoconfirmation (made 10 edits over 4 days) to move pages, I've had a search of sources that confirm you're correct, and moved the page for you. When you become autoconfirmed, there will be a move option to the left of edit source, view history, etc at the top left of the screen - this presents a form to move the page. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 13:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to how to create a disambiguation page for my page

I want ot publish my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Laksanmd

but dont know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laksanmd (talk • contribs) 08:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Laksanmd Your draft (which is on your userpage and would probably be better suited for your sandbox) contains no reliable sources to support its content, and almost no prose. As such, it is a long way from being suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It is also an autobiography, which is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia(though not completely forbidden). I would suggest that you read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about what new articles require and the process involved. You can then submit a draft for review and feedback using Articles for Creation. Successfully creating a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia, even more so when attempting to write about yourself. 331dot (talk) 08:14, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Your page at User:Laksanmd does not satisfy the requirements to be a WP:user page; it does satisfy the requirement for speedy deletion as an attempt to use Wikipedia as a web host. If it were intended to be an article, it would fail there too, as a 5 year old would not satisfy the notability requirements at WP:NSPORT. WP:Disambiguation doesn't come into it. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:16, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Not autobiography, as the subject of the article is five years old. More likely parent. Regardless, the content created on the User's User page, and should be Speedy deleted rather than moved to Sandbox or Draft space, as there is no reason to believe this meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. David notMD (talk) 08:34, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@David notMD: - As you agree that it should be speedy deleted, could you explain why you removed the U5 tag and replaced it by an apparently invalid {{redirect}} hatnote? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Puzzled, because I don't remember doing anything like that. I did SD something today, but that is not showing up in my Contributions, so, puzzled. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

best known for his sharp wit and sense of humor

Liance pointed out that my submission was rejected because it was not written in an encyclopedic tone. Specially, the statement"best known for his sharp wit and sense of humor" is problematic. This statement is a synthesis of newspaper articles about him and is well documented.

Without that characteristic (sharp wit and sense of humor)included, the article would not be an accurate portrayal of Dodge. Do you have any, suggestions?

Stephen M. Marson, Ph.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:8948:9D00:1944:CDD8:5C1:EFA5 (talk) 12:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The only entry showing for the 2606 IP address is this question to Teahouse. Did you perhaps create a draft while signed in to your account? David notMD (talk) 13:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

After some searching, appears draft in question is at User:Smarson/sandbox. I cleaned it up a bit. My own opinion is that Melvin Dodge does not achieve Wikipedia's definition of notability, and no amount of revisions to the draft will bring it closer to acceptance. See WP:N. And in direct answer to your question, fixing what one reviewer gave as a reason to decline a draft does not mean that the next reviewer will not have other reasons. David notMD (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

New Wiki Page

I want to add a new page for a model but i don't know how to create the page. Can you please suggest me how to do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poddiya (talk • contribs) 13:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

​You are advised to read Your First Article. Creating a new article entirely from scratch is one of the more difficult tasks on Wikipedia, especially for new users. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 13:09, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I created main article but now I want to know how to add sub articles under that like “personal life” and “ Filmography”?

As the article is currently unsourced, I have moved it to Draft:Tanasha Hatharasingha. Every claim in the article must be supported by a reliable source - especially when the article is about a living person. Once the article has had sources added, you are advised to submit it through the Articles for Creation process (see template at top of the draft).

To answer your question, to add subheadings, use == heading name == . In your example you would place == Personal Life == at the top of the Personal life section.

~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

how can someone write his full information on Wikipedia

how can someone put their full information on Wikipedia including since they were born up to date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.234.246.230 (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I assume you wish to make a Wikipedia article about yourself, however you should not unless you meet the requirements of WP:N ArkayusMako (talk) 14:34, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@ArkayusMako: What you forgot to say is that even if the subject is notable he should not write an autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes sorry ArkayusMako (talk) 14:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Template:Suman Pokhrel

In Template:Suman Pokhrel, the "songs" section(?) has audio clips of songs written by Suman Pokhrel. I guess Suman Pokhrel wrote the words, but does he have the right to give us perm to a final product of which his words are just an ingredient (without showing proof that he also holds the rights to the final product)? Or if he does, did anyone from Wikimedia actually verify that it was indeed him, before accepting the files? The second part of my question also applies to these, also linked from the template. Thanks! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 10:51, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Usedtobecool. The first artwork I looked at, commons:File:Patience (धैर्य).jpg has a note saying that "Wikimedia has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page". I haven't looked at the song clips. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

How to upload pictures

Hi how I can upload a pic to wiki for a game article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Rookie (talk • contribs) 15:19, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Use the File Upload Wizard to upload only to Wikipedia, or go to the fine partner of Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and follow the instructions there to upload it for use across all Wikis owned by WikiMedia. Hope this helps! Maccore Henni _{Mii! Pictochat Mii!} 15:40, 25 September 2019 (UTC) (Oh, and I'm just a bystander on Teahouse. The real hosts can be found at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts.)

I'm not an official host either, but would just point out that uploading direct to Wikipedia is usually just for WP:Fair use images (rather strict criteria, see Wikipedia:Non-free content). If you are the photographer, then you can release the image under an appropriate licence to Commons by following Commons:First steps/Uploading files. One complication is that your own photograph of copyright material might still be protected by copyright. Perhaps an expert host can advise further if you tell us what the pic is of. Dbfirs 16:26, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Edward Rookie. Uploading images is often difficult because of the fraught rules of copyright. If you are talking about a "game article" (perhaps Assassin's Creed Syndicate? but it doesn't make any difference which article), then it is likely that the image you want to upload is a screenshot, or perhaps cover art, like the existing image. In those cases, even if it is your photo, it is not your copyright (unless you are the artist who created the artwork, or own the copyright under a contract with that artist). In principle it is possible for the copyright holder to license the artwork for use in Wikipedia, but since that would require licensing it in such a way that anybody may reuse or alter it for any purpose, commercial or not, it seems unlikely the copyright owner would agree to that.

The only alternative is to upload it to Wikipedia (not Commons) a non-free media. This may be done only if the use meets all the terms in the non-free content criteria. The existing cover art was uploaded by this method. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thank you for the reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Rookie (talk • contribs) 18:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Should I add essay box to User:Mac_Henni/Infinity_Day_Foundation

The page was created by me and was reviewed 24 September 2019 by @DBigXray, who enjoyed the content. I also linked it to WP:LOVE#See also in the See also section. It more reflects my personal beliefs, and am also wondering what template to use if I must. Thanks, Maccore Henni _{Mii! Pictochat Mii!} 15:34, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

No, Mac Henni, I'm afraid that what you should do with that page is to remove it from Wikipedia. Since it is nothing to do with Wikipedia, and doesn't fall in the allowable purposes for a User page, it shouldn't be here. Please see NOTWEBHOST. You can ask for it to be deleted by pasting {{db-user}} at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Mac Henni, I have deleted that page because it is not about Wikipedia. I am sorry but Wikipedia is not a web host. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:50, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Guys!

What should I do here! I've made some edits involving grammar fixes. What's next?--Maybequad404 (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Maybequad404: Thanks for volunteering. They could use some help to get rid of the September copy editing backlog. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/September_2019. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Maybequad404 and welcome to the Teahouse! To add to Timtempleton's suggestion, I'd reccomend checking out the community portal, as there are many different ways you can help out, depending on what you wish to do. If you're interested in correcting typos, I'd recommend checking out the typo team, as there a lot of small fixes across articles that could be fixed by someone like you! Clovermoss (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Where to start?

I want to say that with many, many editors contributing to Wikipedia, it seems we have got all the information we know of - until somebody finds a new piece of verifiable information and adds it to Wikipedia. It always seems as though we have got all of the information we have on a particular subject, until a new editor adds information to the article. Also, with who-knows-how-many articles in Wikipedia, it's hard to know where to start. So, where do I start?

Also, thank you in advance. --Plankhouse0 (talk) 23:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Plankhouse0: Welcome to Wikipedia! I recommend that you start in any of these areas:

• WP:RCP - to help combat vandalism
• WikiProjects - to improve articles of your interest
• Articles for Creation - to help add new articles on Wikipedia

There is always something to do here. Hope this helps. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 00:28, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Plankhouse0, thanks for your interest in editing Wikipedia. Wikipedia is far, very far from having information about everything, and even in the articles that we do have, many are missing important information, or need significant copy-editing. As for where to start editing, the best way is to pick a subject that you're interested in and start looking for articles on that topic. Many topics have WikiProjects dedicated to them, such as WikiProject Sports. You can find a full directory of WikiProjects here. Some WikiProjects are more active than others, and some are totally abandoned, but at a minimum you'll be able to find a list of articles associated with that project there, so it can be a good starting point.

Alternatively, if you're interested in just doing minor edits to random articles, you can go to the community portal where you can find a list of articles that have been tagged for maintenance by other editors. This is a great way to start small and get a feel for editing on Wikipedia before jumping in and writing articles from scratch yourself, or other parts of Wikipedia like category-tagging, noticeboard discussions, and more.

Finally, if you're specifically interested in helping edit articles about subjects that Wikipedia doesn't have enough of, check out this essay on Wikipedia's biases (as well as WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias) and Women in Red, a project dedicated to increasing gender parity in Wikipedia's coverage. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:29, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Looking for editor, for Draft:Gerard Reinmuth

I am looking to have a page restored, however the administrator has requested that he would only do so, if i had an external editor edit the page. I was hoping someone here would be able to help. The admin wrote:

I will no longer restore autobiographies. If any editor without a conflict of interest wants to work on it, I will restore it to draft.
—  DGG ( talk 00:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Gerard Reinmuth (talk) 04:47, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Gerard Reinmuth: welcome to the Teahouse. Non-admins cannot view deleted content. Please help us appreciate why someone here might wish to help you create a Wikipedia page about yourself. Just base your anwers and independent sources on the criteria explained in this notability guideline.Nick Moyes (talk) 07:27, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes, I would be looking at creating and article based on the Creative professionals category of people with notability. In particular under the categories noted: 1. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. 2. The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums

I have published several books on architecture and the practice (Terroir) architects that I founded with my partner has designed a number of significant buildings. I also teach and a notable Australian university, as well as conducted major speaking events.

I was recently told that I should have a Wikipedia page detailing these contributions to the architectural profession. After trying to create my own page I was told that I should have an external editor review the content, after seeing the tea house welcome message, I thought I would try here for assistance.

I look forward to your response Gerard Reinmuth (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Gerard Reinmuth: Thanks. That was considerably more general than I was intending! But I've since wandered off and found out who you are. As advised on your user page, you must declare your WP:PAID connection with your company (Directors and CEOs get paid, and are not exempt). Like you, I have written books, worked at notable institutions, been on TV, radio and newspapers innumerable times and spoken at a number of notable events, but I remain unimportant and non-notable in Wikipedia's eyes (but try telling my mother that!). I was hoping you might provide specific links to independent sources that have written about you in detail, or major architectural awards etc you might have achieved. It's possible you might meet our WP:NPROF guidelines, but I would advise you to collate all those sources and post a request for another editor to write about you and post them at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/People in business. If people really are notable, another editor will surely want to take the credit for creating an article about them. Helping them assess your notability (in Wikipedia's eyes) is invaluable there, though there can be a very long wait for the less notable subjects to emerge as full articles. Do read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for an understanding why people are discouraged from writing about themselves. I see you already have a LinkedIn page, so I wont insult you by suggesting you go there too. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Nick Moyes wasnt sure how much detail to list on this page. I have now followed your advise and list on the Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/People in business Hopefully someone will find it interesting enough to write about. Thank you for your assistance.Gerard Reinmuth (talk) 02:30, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Attention Span article draft

Hello,

I created an updated draft of an article in August for Attention Span Media. It is shorter and does not read as an advertisement. I can not find where that draft is, or if anyone has commented/offered further suggestions. Appreciate any help as I learn my way around and look forward to also helping others as I go.

Thank you,

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Hello-Mary-H: I was able to find your draft. To make it easier to find, put it on your watchlist.It looks good to me. You can submit it, but be aware that it might take time. In the meantime, I suggest improving it while waiting. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 22:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: how exactly can I find the draft? I don't see it. Any advice appreciated, and I will move it to my watchlist and keep improving it. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Hello-Mary-H: Here is the direct link: Draft:Attention Span Media. Also, I don't have an official way you can refer to me as other than my actual username, so you might want to fix that. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 22:47, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: Thank you, I fixed your username. I had made changes to that draft to make it much shorter than the initial one submitted. I thought I asked for help with that second draft in the teahouse but it looks like perhaps not. I will get to work. Thanks so much! Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The draft is not acceptable. Remove references that are to the Attention Span website. Ditto press releases. Remove all the expository content crammed into the references - the ref list is not a place to put content. David notMD (talk) 02:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

New page

I have been trying to publish a new page without luck. Can anyone give me a link please? Info is as follows:

Col Bishop (photographer) Col Bishop (born 8th July 1962) is a former soldier and photographer from Burpengary, Queensland, Australia. Early years He was born in the UK and arrived in Australia in January 1977, when his father transferred to the Royal Australian Navy from the Royal Navy. He joined the Australian Army in December 1982 and was allocated the Infantry. He was posted to the 3rd Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment in September 1982. He had numerous posting during his career and was medically discharged from the Army as a Warrant Officer in October 2008. Career He took up (digital) photography in 2008 after a break from (film) photography of 20 years. His main interest is of landscape, wildlife and architectural photography; but, also conducts wedding and event photography. He live north of Brisbane, Queensland. Notes External links CharlieBravoPhotography.com [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Col Bishop (talk • contribs) 02:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Col Bishop. Based upon your choice of username and the person you're trying to create an article about, I would suggest that the first thing you do before you try anything else would be to read Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not because it sound like you might be misunderstanding what Wikipedia is about. Then, if you still decide that you want to create an article, please take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Writing about yourself, family, friends and Wikipedia:Notability (people). Wikipedia generally only accepts articles written about subjects deemed to be Wikipedia notable and prefers that such articles be created/edit by persons who are unconnected to those subject in some kind of personal or professional way. From just what you've posted above, I would say that Col Bishop wouldn't be considered Wikipedia notable for an article to be written about him. Someday perhaps as explained in Wikipedia:Too soon, but not right at the moment. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)