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March 13

A question on Wikipedians and personal micro economics

What are the ways most full time Wikipedians balance pressures of their personal economic life and need to earn?

Whether these economic pressures in personal life are dealt with differently by Wikipedians in developed countries and developing countries?

Any particular surveys on this topic?

Bookku (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, it’s about 38-42 hour of work per week, and the rest (126-128) for other things. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 07:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They collect data on Wikipedians' economic activity? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have been several surveys; see e.g. WP:Wikipedians. I did not find any studies that considered this topic or that collected information that allowed drawing relevant conclusions. How does one define "full time Wikipedian"? One global Wikipedia survey found that respondents to a questionnaire spend on average under four hours per week contributing to Wikipedia.^[1] Lack of time was reported by some respondents as a reason for not contributing more, but this is not clearly related to their time spent on earning an income. A study by the Wikimedia Foundation found that only 6% of Wikipedians contribute to Wikipedia for more than 4 hours on a daily basis.^[2] The oldest cohort was the most prolific, so there may be an effect of retirees contributing relatively more. --Lambiam 08:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some thing like minimum 6-8 hours Wikipedia activity a day or more, I would consider almost full time. Bookku (talk) 09:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But people don't punch in and out of Wikipedia, there are only timestamps. So, you might see me edit at 7:15 AM and again at 4:33 PM of the same day and you'd have no way of knowing whether I was on WP for two minutes total or nine hours total (and just spent a long time in the edit window, typing away). You're going to need something like an edit count, like an average of 100+ non-minor edits (that's five minutes per edit for eight hours) per day for X days or something along those lines. Then identify all those people and ask them all how much they make. Good luck with that. Matt Deres (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider also that a good many Wikipedians are [per Lambiam above] doubtless retired (like myself), so the amount of time we spend on Wikipedia has no impact on our 'personal economic life', it's merely a matter of how we allocate our leisure activities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186 (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am a sample of one, whatever that is worth. I have been editing for nearly 15 years. I have been self employed for over 30 years and I used to travel extensively around Northen California doing construction related repair work, as well as business related paperwork from my home office. A bit over three years ago, I semi-retired and my oldest son now does the actual repairs and I just do an hour or two of sales and customer communications a day. In 2018, 2019 and 2020, I averaged about 6500 edits per year. In 2020, 2021 and 2022, I averaged about 11,000 edits a year. So, in my case, a dramatic reduction in time devoted to paying work led to a significant increase in Wikipedia editing. Cullen328 (talk) 20:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1916 electoral districts in Warsaw?

I'm working of a draft on the 1916 municipal elections in Warsaw (Draft:1916 Warsaw election), held under German occupation. I've been able to triangulate most of the results, just few fixes remaining. Notably the electorate was divided into 6 curia with 15 seats each. But I can't get hold of the mapping of the electoral districts (which would be super interesting, as it would allow to give a snapshot of the economic and ethnic structure of the city at the time).

Basically I have 3 references:

Goniec Poranny. 1916, no 317 p. 1 - June 27, 1916 - here there is a listing of the distribution of voters of Curia I, II, IV, V, VI across 52 electoral districts. Curia III doesn't seem to be divided by districts. But the number of Curia III voters match the later election results coverage.

Putting these numbers into a table, it looks like this (notably some totals don't add up):

Registered voters in Curia I, II, IV, V, VI by electoral district

District (Bezirk/Okrąg)	Curia I	Curia II	Curia IV	Curia V	Curia VI	Total of all 5 Curias	Total as stated in Goniec Poranny	Difference between totals
1	95	15	54	104	1425	1693	1694	-1
2	14	101	294	270	1363	2042	2169	-127
3	52	20	107	32	597	808	808	0
4	106	1	230	40	1335	1712	1712	0
5	73	24	355	102	1208	1762	1762	0
6	74	12	464	188	1477	2215	2215	0
7	95	16	312	123	1226	1772	1772	0
8	113	36	460	224	1546	2379	2379	0
9	58	7	139	12	801	1017	1017	0
10	94	56	1225	397	835	2607	2607	0
11	67	17	783	151	854	1872	1862	10
12	89	18	872	232	950	2161	2161	0
13	88	24	657	252	1683	2704	2704	0
14	34	1	99	16	848	998	998	0
15	52	4	233	74	976	1339	1335	4
16	44	3	124	20	917	1108	1108	0
17	117	12	281	133	1620	2163	2163	0
18	112	7	369	126	1276	1890	1890	0
19	69	5	214	42	999	1329	1329	0
20	146	21	508	227	1543	2445	2445	0
21	46	11	604	81	1084	1826	1826	0
22	85	12	379	53	1340	1869	1869	0
23	63	3	178	31	1043	1318	1318	0
24	109	49	669	244	1231	2302	2302	0
25	152	35	455	273	1508	2423	2423	0
26	132	42	411	209	1514	2308	2308	0
27	164	29	131	274	813	1411	1411	0
28	38	1	153	15	946	1153	1153	0
29	113	47	227	183	671	1241	1241	0
30	146	67	309	224	704	1450	1450	0
31	117	18	249	153	1314	1851	1851	0
32	157	47	334	388	1048	1974	1974	0
33	192	24	387	227	1194	2024	2024	0
34	89	81	226	130	521	1047	1047	0
35	151	65	536	157	1241	2150	2150	0
36	194	40	359	291	1295	2179	2169	10
37	150	40	268	268	853	1579	1579	0
38	27	4	75	23	623	752	752	0
39	102	2	223	44	1113	1484	1384	100
40	157	7	216	45	1070	1495	1495	0
41	110	10	481	84	1194	1879	2179	-300
42	73	1	63	10	489	636	636	0
43	186	6	350	1	1370	1913	1913	0
45	119	0	55	0	262	436	436	0
46	65	0	64	0	250	379	379	0
47	214	4	95	0	431	744	744	0
48	140	4	119	1	566	830	830	0
49	123	0	125	0	508	756	756	0
50	149	0	143	0	293	585	585	0
51	127	0	98	0	112	337	437	-100
52	172	1	88	0	325	586	586	0
Total of the 52 districts above	5454	1050	15850	6174	50405	78933	79337	-404
Total as stated in Goniec Poranny	5674	1283	16050	5794	51077	79878	79878
Difference between totals	-220	-233	-200	380	-672	-945	-541

Then we have Wybory do rady miejskiej in Kurjer Warszawski, July 16, 1916. p. 4, giving a district by district result of the vote in Curia VI. Notably there was no election in Curia I, II, IV, V as there has been a consensus pact of all parties on a single slate. So it was only in Curia III (Intellectuals, where no geographic division was made, rather the curia was divided into groups that all voted in same location July 10 or 11 or 12) and Curia VI (general population, i.e. the working class) where an election was held. Kurjer Warszawski gives result in 54 electoral districts. There seem to be some correlation with the list from Goniec Poranny, but the 2 lists are not matching.

Results in the 6th Curia election by electoral district

District	List I (PPS-Frakcja)	List II (SDKPiL)	List III (Bund/PPS-Lewica)	List IV (Folkists)	List V (National Democracy)	List VI (Assoc. Jewish Voters)	Total
1	257	58	19	57	715	12	1,118
2	294	48	16	27	721	13	1,119
3	66	26	9	43	282	15	441
4	149	68	28	223	512	20	1,000
5	35	28	95	463	154	71	846
6	35	22	157	301	56	63	634
6-a	32	35	112	181	84	41	485
7	56	43	208	426	81	64	878
8	37	43	181	361	103	61	786
9	204	82	11	35	277	7	616
10	2	11	92	427	20	40	592
11	4	12	93	433	13	69	624
12	15	12	136	395	28	85	671
13	12	9	233	420	13	37	724
13-a	11	4	147	234	11	29	436
14	60	27	135	208	73	17	520
15	9	7	208	364	31	33	652
16	107	30	70	208	147	25	587
17	83	60	72	199	274	70	758
17-a	44	47	42	108	216	44	501
18	131	104	74	179	460	67	1,015
19	123	90	30	43	279	27	592
20	74	62	95	120	270	62	683
20-a	71	41	4	81	210	51	458
21	30	17	118	407	79	71	722
22	202	149	41	118	455	40	1,005
23	237	114	43	63	292	23	772
24	28	43	122	390	130	128	841
25	53	47	114	217	132	72	635
25-a	33	31	73	118	122	42	419
26	87	62	40	53	339	46	627
26-a	92	38	29	37	273	23	492
27	111	44	8	13	414	14	604
28	110	136	49	73	316	12	696
29	97	24	6	3	395	7	532
30	109	30	6	21	366	16	548
31	304	47	23	36	595	7	1,012
32	118	51	23	15	624	15	846
33	190	62	23	39	384	26	724
34	34	19	14	32	303	12	414
35	119	60	71	170	377	72	869
36	171	40	15	70	657	31	984
37	111	21	15	20	473	9	649
38	257	58	19	88	712	12	1,146
39	199	19	44	223	236	19	740
40	216	59	28	145	262	27	737
41	252	45	68	262	217	25	869
42	154	32	15	36	101	11	349
43	216	241	18	42	366	18	901
44	14	2	1	32	37	0	86
45	19	15	15	62	22	2	135
46	95	10	3	3	22	8	141
47	65	40	3	29	73	3	213
48	133	35	30	28	107	7	340

Then we have this ordinance and as well as this, that instructs where and when Curia VI voters are supposed to vote. But the number of districts is far smaller than in the 2 tables above and doesn't seem to cover even all commissariats. The latter ordinance links commissariats to electoral districts, seems they are the old pre-commissariats mentioned as 1908-1916 on pl.wiki (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podzia%C5%82_administracyjny_Warszawy).

Is there any source or anything that could link up the electoral districts with a map, a listing of addresses or at least a clear division of electoral districts per commissariats? Any input that would help putting pieces together would be appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soman -- You might have better luck asking somebody on Polish Wikipedia who has relevant knowledge. Unfortunately, Polish Wikipedia does not have a functioning "Embassy" page to encourage cross-language contacts, the way that many other Wikipedia language versions do, so I'm not sure where you'd start... AnonMoos (talk) 19:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]